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Alex Y.
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The Oscar Watch forum is down way too many times everyday. We should really convince some of their users to come discuss here when that site is not available.
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Jonathan
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alex young wrote: The Oscar Watch forum is down way too many times everyday. We should really convince some of their users to come discuss here when that site is not available.
I'm sure I could get a few posters from there that share Loyal's hatred of U93 and love of Half Nelson and Shortbus.
And they really need to do something about "The server is too busy at the moment. Please try again later." It once took 10-15 minutes to get back in, now it's taking half an hour. 
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Joker's Thug #3
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Letters starts out with a 94 on Metacritic
Newsweek gives it 100.
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David
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Good word on The Good Shepherd! From Time...
THE GOOD SHEPHERD Skull and Bones, the most notorious of Yale's secret societies, must have been--and for all we know still is--pretty weird: nude initiation ceremonies, people singing The Whiffenpoof Song at inappropriate moments, a range of blond debutramps with permanent lockjaw to meet and marry. As The Good Shepherd would have it, Bones was the perfect breeding place for another, grander secret society, World War II's Office of Strategic Services, which morphed into the CIA. Robert De Niro's movie (skillfully written by Eric Roth) is a very persuasive and thoughtful study of how the youthful and more muscular scions of the Wasp patriciate imposed their values, their sense of entitlement, on the U.S. and what that endeavor cost us--and the patricians.
The film focuses on Edward Wilson (Matt Damon), a composite of historical figures, who starts out wanting to be a poet and ends up being the bureaucrat at the center of some of the CIA's most notorious activities. Damon is terrific in the role--all-knowing, never overtly expressing a feeling. Indeed, so is everyone else in this intricate, understated but ultimately devastating account of how secrets, when they are left to fester, can become an illness, dangerous to those who keep them, more so to nations that base their policies on them.
...and from a conversation between two NY Post critics...
Kyle [Smith]: To me, the Matt Damon movies “The Departed†and “The Good Shepherd†(Dec. 22) are masterpieces. “The Departed†is such a fast-paced demon of a movie, with its hilariously nasty dialogue and tough, smart performances, that I kept checking my watch because I didn’t want it to ever end. And the Robert De Niro-directed “The Good Shepherd†is “The Godfather†of CIA movies, a tense epic of business and family. It sets a new standard for cloak and dagger.
...and, finally, from MSNBC...
Director Robert De Niro and screenwriter Eric Roth's "The Good Shepherd" is nothing if not ambitious. In two hours and 40 minutes of grave, hushed, shadowy images, it attempts to tell the story of the formation and transformation of the CIA. It begins with the agency's failed Bay of Pigs invasion in 1961, loops back to the late 1930s, when the Office of Strategic Services (the CIA's predecessor) was created, and then takes us on a globe-hopping trip through the Cold War.
All this is filtered through the fictional story of Edward Wilson (Matt Damon), a young Yale student plucked from the secret Skull and Bones society in 1939 to serve his country by spying on a suspected Nazi-sympathizing professor (Michael Gambon). The bright, well-bred Wilson is an idealist, but even as a young man there's something shut off about him: he says little, hides his emotions and is strangely passive in the presence of women, even one as seductive as Clover (Angelina Jolie), whom he dutifully marries when she gets pregnant. Soon after, he joins the OSS and whisks off to London and later Berlin, not to return until his son is nearly 7. "The Good Shepherd" charts Wilson's devolutionâ€â€and the agency'sâ€â€from patriotic idealism to paranoid, isolated ruthlessness. The cost of secrecy is his soul, and his family.
For the film's mesmerizing first 50 minutes I thought De Niro might pull off the "Godfather" of spy movies. The tradecraft fascinates, the sociology is astute, the tense chess match between Wilson and his KGB counterpart "Ulysses" (Oleg Stefan) has an intricacy worthy of le Carré. But the unvaryingly solemn tone begins to wear, and the elaborate flashback structure becomes confusing in the last act. Roth's script is great on the cat-and-mouse games, weak on the destruction of Wilson's marriage. Jolie's character is barely coherent. And Roth's choice to build an epic around a character as hooded as Wilson is risky: it's a testament to Damon's skill and charisma that we care at all about this clenched careerist.
Still, even if the movie's vast reach exceeds its grasp, it's a spellbinding history lesson. "The Good Shepherd" demands you watch it like a spy: alert, paranoid, never knowing whom you can trust, or who will stab you in the back.
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Raffiki
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Ok, I need some help.
I've spent the last 20+ minutes trying to look for a website I came across a few days ago but can't seem to find.
It's one of those prediction websites where they have their top 10 contenders with pics of each (in 2 rows of 5) and then they still list a whole bunch of people for the category even though they may not have any chance of being nominated.
And they have it for just about all the categories. First it was curiosity but now since I can't find it, it's turned into an obsession to locate the site. 
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Dkmuto
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Raffiki wrote: Ok, I need some help. I've spent the last 20+ minutes trying to look for a website I came across a few days ago but can't seem to find. It's one of those prediction websites where they have their top 10 contenders with pics of each (in 2 rows of 5) and then they still list a whole bunch of people for the category even though they may not have any chance of being nominated. And they have it for just about all the categories. First it was curiosity but now since I can't find it, it's turned into an obsession to locate the site. 
This one? http://www.everythingoscar.com/
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Renton
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Raffiki
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Thanks.
It was the film experience. I feel like an idiot because I tried that site before but just didn't click on the right link to go to their predictions.
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Christian
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I LOVE The Film Experience.
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Andrew
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Hurray for some Pan's Labyrinth love!
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xiayun
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Metacritic still hasn't updated its main page, but Letters just got another 100 from EW to push its average to 96: http://www.metacritic.com/film/titles/lettersfromiwojima.
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David
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loyalfromlondon wrote: Kyle Smith
3. The Good Shepherd

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Joker's Thug #3
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We need to see more of that, EW was lukewarm on Flags, but high praise for Letters. Very encouraging
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MovieDude
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Gunslinger wrote: loyalfromlondon wrote: Kyle Smith
3. The Good Shepherd 
Ooh yeah, because it's really been showing up on all the critic guild awards. 
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android
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Letters is a serious menace to Dreamgirls now...
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Joker's Thug #3
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loyalfromlondon wrote: android wrote: Letters is a serious menace to Dreamgirls now... Letters is a threat to Departed for BD. Dreamgirls is in a great position for BP. Jamie Foxx must give some great head.
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xiayun
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Happyness jumped way up at RT from 29% to 53%. Look like Smith doesn't have to pull off a I am Sam.
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Shack
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BOF's new Oscar section
Very primative right now with a lack of material, but it will be built on. 
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zennier
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loyalfromlondon wrote: android wrote: Letters is a serious menace to Dreamgirls now... Letters is a threat to Departed for BD. Dreamgirls is in a great position for BP.
This is true.
I hate Clint Eastwood. He is the bane of my existence. This might upset people, but he has yet to produce an Academy Award quality film (M$B at best deserved some recognition for the acting, MAYBE screenplay - it was nice and mushy, yes). This bastard won't go away. Flags sucked balls, and now that Letters might actually be good (but no doubt sappy), he'll steal everyone else's thunder, I'm sure.
I'm not bitter. I just don't really care for his "stuff." He needs to go back to making Space Cowboys-type fluff that everyone quickly forgets, not sentimental crap that isn't as interesting as it pretends to be. Boo!
Even if Letters is good - even great - I don't want to see it take home the major prizes. Eastwood has hogged the limelight and there are way too many other winners this year.
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Jonathan
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xiayun wrote: Happyness jumped way up at RT from 29% to 53%. Look like Smith doesn't have to pull off a I am Sam.
It's even at 53% in COTC right now. Lookin' good (For Actor at least, it's only real shot now).
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the limey
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zennier wrote: I hate Clint Eastwood. He is the bane of my existence. This might upset people, but he has yet to produce an Academy Award quality film (M$B at best deserved some recognition for the acting, MAYBE screenplay - it was nice and mushy, yes). This bastard won't go away. Flags sucked balls, and now that Letters might actually be good (but no doubt sappy), he'll steal everyone else's thunder, I'm sure.
I'm not bitter.

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zennier
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Well, it was mostly sarcasm, but still. That Eastwood fellow.... 
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android
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Awards Czar Jon wrote: xiayun wrote: Happyness jumped way up at RT from 29% to 53%. Look like Smith doesn't have to pull off a I am Sam. It's even at 53% in COTC right now. Lookin' good (For Actor at least, it's only real shot now).
Only because of the weak category. And I think Sacha/Watanabe will get in first.
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xiayun
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Peter Travers' Top 10:
Quote: High five! After a box-office slump, movies made money again in 2006. Kill-me-now depression sets in only when I list the big winners (Pirates of the Carribbean: Dead Man's Chest; X-Men: The Last Stand; The Da Vinci Code). Luckily, it wasn't just Borat that hit pay dirt without getting slimed by formula pap. Martin Scorsese had his biggest hit with The Departed. And Dreamgirls proved a musical could have grit as well as glitz. And what of terrific movies that barely made a dime? They, too, have pride of place on my list of movies that mattered this year.
1 The Departed Directed by Martin Scorsese
Crime in the streets. A Martin Scorsese specialty, from Mean Streets to GoodFellas. So what's so special about The Departed that I'm calling it the best movie of 2006? For starters, it's a new high in a historic career. The Boston crime milieu scrupulously laid out in William Monahan's screenplay sparks something fresh in Scorsese about how moral corruption begins in childhood and festers in adult life. The acting, from Jack Nicholson's Irish mobster to Mark Wahlberg's hothead sergeant, is top of the line. And Leonardo DiCaprio, as an undercover cop, and Matt Damon, as an undercover criminal, give the performances of their lives. Scorsese orchestrates acting, writing, editing, production design and camera placement into a model of what directing is when craft rises to the level of art.
2 Dreamgirls Directed by Bill Condon
Despite, or maybe because of, the smartasses who rag on this galvanizing musical as "the gay man's Lord of the Rings," Dreamgirls is a movie you take to heart. I sure did. Fictionalizing the story of Diana Ross and the Supremes into a cautionary tale of how 1960s R&B was ground into white pop, director-writer Bill Condon turns Michael Bennett's Broadway landmark into a movie powered by the unique magic of cinema. Give a shout-out to Condon -- he's got the goods. Beyonce excels as the lead singer of the Dreams, as does Jamie Foxx in the role of the manager who sells her out. But the roof of the multiplex is blown off by trumpet-tonsilled newcomer Jennifer Hudson as the diva who gets replaced for singing large and eating larger. And Eddie Murphy totally kills as a James Brown wild man buckling under the pressure of cultural assimilation. It's an all-black cast, which so-called experts insist will hurt at the box office. My guess is that audiences will have the savvy to know Dreamgirls is a story of America.
3 Letters From Iwo Jima/Flags of Our Fathers Directed by Clint Eastwood
With his customary daring and assurance, Clint Eastwood followed Flags -- which tells the bloody story of this 1945 battle through the prism of three American soldiers who survived, only to be exploited by their government -- with Letters, a tale of the same World War II battle, told from the Japanese side. The film is in Japanese with English subtitles, hardly a sop to draw the Saw crowd. But what Eastwood has done is extraordinary, uniting two films into a single, stinging portrait of war that honors the men who fought while nailing government for fobbing off hypocrisy in the name of patriotism.
4 Volver Directed by Pedro Almodovar
Yes, it's in Spanish with English subtitles, but no one rivals Pedro Almodovar for speaking the language of love in all its permutations, from filial to sexual to lethal. Penelope Cruz, never more ravishing, claims the screen by divine right as a daughter whose problems with her mother (the superb Carmen Maura) only start with the fact that Mom is dead and may be out for revenge. Cheers to cinematographer Jose Luis Alcaine for the film's shimmering beauty and to Almodovar for showing that love has no intention of stopping with death.
5 Babel Directed by Alejandro Gonzalez Inarritu
Don't buy the rap on this movie. Some people call it pretentious, when the intent of Mexican director Alejandro Gonzalez Inarritu and screenwriter Guillermo Arriaga is to reach high by taking on a world divided by terrorism, race, money, religion and language. I guess unpretentious would be taking on Big Momma's House 3. Brad Pitt, Cate Blanchett, Adriana Barraza and Rinko Kikuchi shine in the ensemble cast. But as the film builds to a shattering climax, you'll be in an emotional grip that won't let go. Gonzalez Inarritu is a world-class filmmaker.
6 United 93 Directed by Paul Greengrass
Many people dodged this movie for being too painful a topic -- a 9/11 re-enactment of what might have happened among the passengers on United Airlines Flight 93 when four hijackers took control of the plane. It's their right, and their loss. The gifted director Paul Greengrass has crafted a humane tribute to the power of resistance.
7 The Queen Directed by Stephen Frears
There's this dumb theory that the potency of this film totally hangs on the magisterial performance of Helen Mirren as Queen Elizabeth II in the aftermath of the death of Princess Diana. Bollocks, as the Brits might say. Director Stephen Frears, working with an incisive script by Peter Morgan, is devilishly good at springing surprises, political, personal and profound.
8 Borat Directed by Larry Charles
Maybe you live on planet mars and don't hear how Sacha Baron Cohen make fun about glorious nation of Kazakhstan and make big trouble with politically correct persons. Maybe you make benefit yourself and see cultural learnings of killer satire of year then laugh ass off.
9 Little Miss Sunshine Directed by Jonathan Dayton and Valerie Faris
This bracingly unsappy family comedy is 2006's best movie from first-timers. Jonathan Dayton and Valerie Faris drop their terrific cast (Greg Kinnear, Toni Collette, Alan Arkin, Steve Carell, Paul Dano and little Abigail Breslin) into a VW bus and ship them off to a beauty pageant that exposes the ugly side of America and the dysfunction bubbling inside their own wack-job heads. It's hilarious, heartbreaking and achingly true.
10 Prairie Home Companion Directed by Robert Altman
The last film from the legendary Robert Altman, who died in November, used Garrison Keillor's long-running radio show to salute the joy of creative life and the art of laughing in the face of death. Other movies this year are bigger, showier and more ambitious, but there are none lovelier. The cast, led by the incomparable Meryl Streep and Lily Tomlin, glows under Altman's playful watch. Keillor speaks of having had the "great privilege of seeing an eighty-one-year-old guy doing what he loved to do." The rest of us have the privilege of seeing Altman's movies. Godspeed, maestro.
BEST OF THE REST
10 MORE BESTS David Lynch's Inland Empire twists your mind into scary shapes; Todd Field's Little Children is a model of literary adaptation; Guillermo del Toro's Pan's Labyrinth is a surreal study of war; Michael Mann's Miami Vice sees the crime genre with laser-eyed freshness; Jason Reitman's Thank You for Smoking blows satiric smoke up Big Tobacco's ass; Christopher Guest's For Your Consideration blows satiric smoke up Oscar's ass; Christopher Nolan's The Prestige makes magic out of magic; Kelly Reichardt's Old Joy digs deep into the nature of friendship; John Hillcoat's The Proposition, an Aussie Western, is criminally underrated; and Mel Gibson's Apocalypto, despite a taste for gore that's near pathological, brings a poet's eye and fierce energy to a Mayan civilization that mirrors our own.
Best Animated film John Lasseter's Cars is a visual miracle, sweet as hell and mischievously funny. Oscar, take note. Runners-up: Richard Linklater's A Scanner Darkly and George Miller's Happy Feet.
Best Foreign Film Volver. Runners-up: Rachid Bouchareb's Days of Glory, Guillermo del Toro's Pan's Labyrinth, Deepa Mehta's Water and Jean-Pierre Melville's 1969 Army of Shadows in its U.S. debut at last.
Best Documentary Davis Guggenheim's An Inconvenient Truth cuts Al Gore loose on global warming. Runners-up: James Longley's Iraq in Fragments, Deborah Scranton's The War Tapes, Doug Block's 51 Birch Street and Barbara Kopple and Cecilia Peck's Shut Up and Sing.
THE YEAR'S TEN WORST 1 Bobby Emilio Estevez tacks on RFK's assassination to a series of soapy star cameos and calls it humanism. Wrong, pal, it's risible exploitation. 2 The Da Vinci Code Blockbuster book becomes a blockheaded movie. 3 Snakes on a Plane The Internet hyped it, but audiences rightly spit venom. 4 x-Men: The Last Stand Let's hope so. 5 Basic Instinct 2 So bad, you wanted Sharon Stone's legs to stay crossed. 6 The Nativity Story The Virgin birth staged like a stuffy Christmas pageant. 7 Lady in the Water M. Night Shyamalan loses his sixth sense for scary. 8 Click Adam Sandler in a sentimental mood; it's like drowning in drool. 9 Death of a President A fake doc that imagines Bush dead, and it's still boring. 10 All The King's Men Southern-fried politics, and even with Sean Penn it's duller than dog shit.
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xiayun
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Slant Top 10s:
Ed Gonzalez
01. Inland Empire
02. L'Enfant
03. Army of Shadows
04. Battle in Heaven
05. The Science of Sleep
06. The Death of Mr. Lazarescu
07. Marie Antoinette
08. Miami Vice
09. Romantico
10. Gabrielle
Nick Schager
01. Three Times
02. Army of Shadows
03. Inland Empire
04. The Proposition
05. L'Enfant
06. Miami Vice
07. 4
08. Old Joy
09. Neil Young: Heart of Gold
10. The Fountain
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