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xiayun
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I posted all the reviews for Curse of the Golden Flower in a separate thread.
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xiayun
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James Berardinelli slammed Bobby:
Quote: In the movie business, there's no such thing as "truth in titling." If there was, Bobby would be called A Bunch of Boring, No-Name, Cookie-Cutter Characters. Although that lacks the brevity and appeal of the real title, it's more illustrative of the film's content. There's another thing to consider as well when wondering about whether to see Bobby: the track record of the director. While it's not impossible for someone with a dubious filmography to craft an unanticipated masterpiece, a healthy bit of skepticism is warranted based on Emilio Estevez's resume as a director (Wisdom, Men at Work), which doesn't inspire confidence. Sadly, even with low expectations, Bobby disappoints.
June 4, 1968 was the best of times and the worst of times for 42-year old Bobby Kennedy. This was the day when the New York Senator captured the California Democratic primary and appeared to be on the fast track to facing off against Richard Nixon in the November election (a contest he would likely have won). It's also the day when Sirhan Sirhan, a 24-year old Palestinian, shot him. He died 26 hours later, ending considerations of a second Camelot and bringing into existence mumblings of a so-called "Kennedy Curse."
Bobby is the story of myriad fictional characters in and around Los Angeles' Ambassador Hotel (RFK's campaign headquarters and the place where he was shot) during the fateful day. Kennedy, as it turns out, is only a secondary character in the movie - not important enough for an actor to portray him (archival footage of the real RFK is used). His death, coupled with a stirring voiceover, provides a poignant ending, but its resonance is limited because Kennedy is an icon in Bobby, not a character.
In terms of structure and quality of writing, the movie feels like an Irwin Allen film or an episode of The Love Boat. There are about ten subplots featuring recognizable actors. These "guest stars" interact with each other in largely perfunctory ways, passing time until we get to the big climax. The mini-stories are not compelling - none has enough time to build a head of steam, and none of the characters experience noticeable development. The unrelenting tedium of spending 90 minutes with these individuals is broken only when RFK takes the podium to declare victory.
Watching Bobby is a lot like playing "spot a star." Anthony Hopkins is a former doorman who haunts the Ambassador looking forward to his regular chess game with Harry Belafonte. Demi Moore is a drunk singer whose marriage to Emilio Estevez is on the rocks. Manacurist Sharon Stone is married to hotel manager William H. Macy, who is having an affair with switchboard operator Heather Graham. Macy has just fired underling Christian Slater for anti-Hispanic attitudes. Helen Hunt, the wife of Martin Sheen, goes shopping because she left her black shoes at home. Lindsay Lohan is getting married to childhood friend Elijah Wood to keep him from being posted to Vietnam. Ashton Kutcher is a dope dealer who introduces a couple of Kennedy campaign workers to LSD. Freddy Rodriguez, a Dodgers fan anticipating Don Drysdale's sixth consecutive shutout, is annoyed that he has to work a double-shift as a dishwasher and can't go to the game. Laurence Fishburne, the Ambassador's chef, buys the tickets from him.
The film is filled to overflowing with these inconsequential stories, causing Bobby to drag for what seems like a lot longer than its 112-minute running time. The ending, in which everything is supposed to come together in a tragic hail of gunfire, has minimal emotional impact even though seemingly one-third of the big-name stars get plugged along with the presidential candidate. In the end, the only one we care about having been shot is Kennedy. No one else matters.
It's not hard to understand how Estevez could attract this kind of high-profile cast. He and his family are among the liberal elite in Hollywood, and the subject matter is enough to entice anyone who believes that the sorry state of today's government can be traced to the shots fired by Sirhan Sirhan that night. The resulting finished project is a series of skits performed by famous people doing favors for a friend, and it works about as well as one might expect from such an endeavor. High-profile killings can provide fertile material for motion pictures, whether they're fact-based accounts or include wild speculation. In this case, however, the fertilizer is spread improperly, resulting in a ponderous motion picture that evidences no growth and smells like shit.
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Mon Nov 13, 2006 2:51 pm |
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Jonathan
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loyalfromlondon wrote: Babel deserves NOTHING!
I greatly anticipate your review of Bobby.
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Mon Nov 13, 2006 3:00 pm |
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Maverikk
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James Berardinelli had low expectations? What kind of professionalism is that? If you don't think you're going to like something, you're giving it two strikes right out of the gate. Try objectivity sometime, dude.
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Mon Nov 13, 2006 3:58 pm |
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Alex Y.
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It's a very accurate review though.
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Mon Nov 13, 2006 4:12 pm |
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Libs
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Maverikk wrote: James Berardinelli had low expectations? What kind of professionalism is that? If you don't think you're going to like something, you're giving it two strikes right out of the gate. Try objectivity sometime, dude.
I think he was saying he had low expectations just based on the director's previous movies, which I don't really see anything wrong with. Heck, I'm fairly skeptical myself just based on Emilio Estevez's track record.
Yeah, but Bobby's reviews are not nearly strong enough to get a Picture nomination, imo. I see it having to settle for an acting nomination (especially Sharon Stone) or two, and maybeeeeee some technicals.
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Mon Nov 13, 2006 4:34 pm |
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Maverikk
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Libs wrote: I think he was saying he had low expectations just based on the director's previous movies, which I don't really see anything wrong with. Heck, I'm fairly skeptical myself just based on Emilio Estevez's track record.
Yeah, but Bobby's reviews are not nearly strong enough to get a Picture nomination, imo. I see it having to settle for an acting nomination (especially Sharon Stone) or two, and maybeeeeee some technicals.
It sounded to me like he made his mind up before he saw it.
How many reviews are you basing that off? The numbers at RT are within the range.
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Mon Nov 13, 2006 4:43 pm |
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Libs
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Maverikk wrote: Libs wrote: I think he was saying he had low expectations just based on the director's previous movies, which I don't really see anything wrong with. Heck, I'm fairly skeptical myself just based on Emilio Estevez's track record.
Yeah, but Bobby's reviews are not nearly strong enough to get a Picture nomination, imo. I see it having to settle for an acting nomination (especially Sharon Stone) or two, and maybeeeeee some technicals. It sounded to me like he made his mind up before he saw it. How many reviews are you basing that off? The numbers at RT are within the range.
I'm basing it on the degree of the reviews. The positive ones aren't really calling it a masterpiece, unless I'm wrong.
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Mon Nov 13, 2006 4:55 pm |
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Maverikk
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Libs wrote: I'm basing it on the degree of the reviews. The positive ones aren't really calling it a masterpiece, unless I'm wrong.
You very well could be right. I don't think it has to be a masterpiece for it to get in, just because of other factors, but it definitely needs some level of respectable reviews. The trades both liked it. It appears to be a like it or hate it more than a love it or hate it reaction, yes. Still a long way to go, and I would agree that Stone has the best chance out of anything.
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Mon Nov 13, 2006 5:00 pm |
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Maverikk
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Bobby got another positive. I'll do an update in a bit for the charts, but here is this for now.
http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/bobby/
Reviews Counted: 9
Fresh: 7 Rotten: 2
Average Rating: 6.9/10
78%
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Mon Nov 13, 2006 7:48 pm |
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Maverikk
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Updated.
Bobby isn't getting the highest of marks at MC, so far. I don't have the page linked at the chart yet, just the scores.
http://www.worldofkj.com/awards/contend ... ilm&page=1
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Tue Nov 14, 2006 9:23 am |
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xiayun
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According to NSFC, Bobby got a 25 from Peter Travers (Rolling Stone) and 50 from David Ansen (Newsweek).
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Tue Nov 14, 2006 2:07 pm |
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android
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xiayun wrote: According to NSFC, Bobby got a 25 from Peter Travers (Rolling Stone) and 50 from David Ansen (Newsweek).
Ouch.
Travers is like my favorite critic, so I'm gettting worried now...  Hopefully he's wrong as he was with The Notebook and other films..
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Tue Nov 14, 2006 3:18 pm |
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Alex Y.
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Killuminati510 wrote: Berardinelli gave it 2 Stars
xiayun posted this on previous page
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Tue Nov 14, 2006 3:52 pm |
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Joker's Thug #3
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Oops, sorry.
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Tue Nov 14, 2006 3:57 pm |
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the limey
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Just before Flags was released Jeff Wells reported how he'd heard from his source that 'Flags is good, but Letters is even better.' Well it looks like Eastwood has picked Letters as his major Oscar contender. According to a poster over at The Envelope (whose been hinting at a major announcement that would change the Oscar race) Letters from Iwo Jima will get a Dec release in NY/LA then go wider in January. The Envelope's industry guy 'seanflynn' is also saying he's been hearing for weeks now that Letters is 'great.' Seems like there's potential for noms across the board here, Best Picture/Director, a whole slew of technical/craft noms & espec Ken Watanabe for Best Actor.
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Tue Nov 14, 2006 6:08 pm |
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Maverikk
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the limey wrote: Just before Flags was released Jeff Wells reported how he'd heard from his source that 'Flags is good, but Letters is even better.' Well it looks like Eastwood has picked Letters as his major Oscar contender. According to a poster over at The Envelope (whose been hinting at a major announcement that would change the Oscar race) Letters from Iwo Jima will get a Dec release in NY/LA then go wider in January. The Envelope's industry guy 'seanflynn' is also saying he's been hearing for weeks now that Letters is 'great.' Seems like there's potential for noms across the board here, Best Picture/Director, a whole slew of technical/craft noms & espec Ken Watanabe for Best Actor.
Yep, the scope of the project was just too big to ignore, and Eastwood was NEVER going away in this race.
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MadGez
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I knew they would eventially bring back Letters into the 2006 race. It would have been wasted in February with no awards buzz and even less BO. Thats probably why they pushed back Zodiac as they had this contender in the wings.
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Tue Nov 14, 2006 6:29 pm |
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xiayun
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New BFCA scores:
Bobby 82
Casino Royale 88
Fast Food Nation 70
For Your Consideration 74
Happy Feet 84
Not a good score for Bobby by BFCA's standard.
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Joker's Thug #3
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Bobby is now at an impressive 67% on RT.
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Wed Nov 15, 2006 3:28 am |
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Dr. Lecter
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Still thinking it's a lock for a BP nom?
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Maverikk
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Dr. Lecter wrote: Still thinking it's a lock for a BP nom?
Nope, but it has a good chance.
Still think Peter O'Toole is a lock to win Best Actor? 
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Wed Nov 15, 2006 10:31 am |
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Dr. Lecter
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Maverikk wrote: Dr. Lecter wrote: Still thinking it's a lock for a BP nom? Nope, but it has a good chance. Still think Peter O'Toole is a lock to win Best Actor? 
IF he is actually nominated, yes 
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Wed Nov 15, 2006 12:48 pm |
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Jonathan
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I always did have a bad feeling about Bobby. The cast was enormous, but was entirely B-listers, half of which have become jokes (Ashton Kutcher, Lindsey Lohan, Sharon Stone, Christian Slater, etc.). Plus, it's way too soon after Crash for another big ensamble movie to be big.
And the Iwo Jima won't change anything.
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Wed Nov 15, 2006 12:58 pm |
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El Maskado
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Mood-Swing Jon wrote: I always did have a bad feeling about Bobby. The cast was enormous, but was entirely B-listers, half of which have become jokes (Ashton Kutcher, Lindsey Lohan, Sharon Stone, Christian Slater, etc.). Plus, it's way too soon after Crash for another big ensamble movie to be big.
And the Iwo Jima won't change anything.
Thats what I was thinking as well especially when it was directed by Emilio Estevez and him bringing his old buddies and exs from the 80s. Not to say that Emilio is a bad director, he did do some decent directing with Wisdom and Rated X but he gave us Men At Work and completely botched Young Guns 2 with his writing input
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