The reason is simple: he's been acting as if he runs the forum (again) and generally attacking anyone who disagrees with him.

He'll be allowed back in a week.

But...

he does run the forum...



I mean... besides the mods and admins... and bABA... and Loyal... and Eagle...

He's next in line after that...

and me...

Retarded reason for banning him. He was expressing how he feels and you ban him for it? That doesn't seem too fair now. Mav is a little animated but feels that the place could improve. I don't see why that is a cause for a ban.

Are you calling me retarded? What are you, a troublemaker? You know, I've been noticing this about you a lot lately, baumer. All you do is cause trouble all the time. I wonder why the mods or admins haven't done anything yet about your constant trouble making. Maybe because none of them know who the true genius behind this forum is.

That's a pretty good imitation.

Seriously though, when having discussions, Mav tends to stick a word or sentence here or there that heats up the rhetorics. The first reply he gave to Nebs was accusing him of favoritism instead of civilly expressing "here is what I think", but if he has done that to begin with, Nebs wouldn't have to step in.

People may not like it but I support this banning for the same reasons I stated to the mods when the discussion was brought up.

- Maverikk wanted to improve things. Instead, no matter how right or wrong he feels everyone else is, he did the complete opposite.

- He forced one of my writers to resign. Instead of asking him to stay because you know, getting someone to stay would improve the site, he further encourages his departure. Just when I had finished patching things up with my contributor, provided a schedule that we were both happy with working, I'm now one contributor less (at the moment).

- He wants to improve the site yet continually talks about the old community. The new community hasn't experienced this old community. So what does it sound like? It sounds like you're berating anything that they were ever able to create for themselves. Everyone who is part of the new community has come in here and stated that they're happy as a community. While I myself may not feel that way all the time too, arguing otherwise is putting people down, telling them their community is no good. Once again, I fail to see how that helps the situation for which the 2 threads started in the first place.

- Hes once again argued with Shack, tried putting him in his place, and once again, attempted to make him feel inferior. That is my problem with the arguments here. While others here argue their points, take shots at each other's characters even which I do not approve of, I'm tired of hearing that "I'm better than you, more mature than you" argument being used again and again. So once again, instead of getting people to contribute more, you're essentially pushing another one of the member community away. Shack and Rogue are some of the most active posters here and while their opinion is not always shared by all (and we've recently that they have their scuffles with others), they're part of 'our' community.

- The entire point was to improve the activity here. In 2 threads, Maverikk had argued back with everyone who tried to reply to the contrary, put people down, remarked how RAWSAW and others would increase the intellect level at the forums (thus once again, alienating the rest of the forum members here and making them feel inferior). I fail to see how any improvements can be made in light of this. He hasn't asked but told the admins here to personally apologise to him, others to continue proving their point about him and what not.

- Nebs has been accused of brnging his personal feelings into the argument which is ironic. If the forum health is so important, maybe maverikk, for one second, would stop fighting with everyone and stop trying to protect his own name. Hes accountable for the same things hes accusing everyone else of.

There is another thing mentioned over a PM that i'd rather not get into that went to one of the admins. Its a PM so I will not bring up its contents.

The admins have one job that is more important than any other here. Monitor forum health. I'm sorry to say but discouraging 2 posters from posting and speaking for the community when its obvious from the comments that the community doesn't agree is not good for the forum health. The admin's decision was just and i favor it. Maverikk writes for the main site now so it put them in a tricky situation but as they've been told, its something that they need not consider when they make any decisions here.

I was getting tired of reading that other thread. Mav knows what he's doing, and seems to think he has everyone fooled. If they say anything they are troublemakers he needs to put down. I always found it funny how he would tend to only fight one person at a time while acting as if he's good friends with everyone else (especially the people he previously fought with). As if that one person is acting irrational and aggressive and everyone sees it. That's become more difficult to maintain as time has passed. Now it's the forum as a whole that's to blame. People can see through the act Mav.

Bravo. He has good intentions, but the way in which he carries them out is bullshit. I was getting sick and tired of it, it was the most arguments and disruption I've seen here in a while, and for no real reason other than that he wanted to stir things up. I can definitely agree with him in his desires to make this site bigger, better, and more widely known, but these things take time, and he can't expect things to turn around and everyone to listen to him in an instant just because he thinks his method and ideas are the best.

Eh. Even though the road to hell is paved with good intentions, I wouldn't say he deserved hell. You're dealing with not just a person but a type of character. How long is a temp-ban? :-?

7 days.

We've been through the same problem before.

I see. I'll trust your judgment, given I'm not a frequent poster anymore.

I'm gonna choke him.... You know, sometimes I think the biggest fighting words are 'lets just drop it'. Everyones got to get the final word in, including him. I'm hoping he does come back and all of this crap is behind everyone.

I don't think the ban was necessary. Some thread locking and ignoring would have worked just as well.

I think everyone needed a big ole glass of shut the fuck up and a time out.

A week will do wonders so To Be Continued...

That's a good lesson to learn, that leaving an argument is not a act of weakness. He'll be back; the place wouldn't be the same without him, at least for me.

I once again don't have time to get into it, btu I still think the banning was excessive. I don't agree with the way in which Mav approached everything, but you jumped the gun a bit on this one. And Krem, you seem to be quick with the trigger when it comes to him. Just my two cents, but it just seemed excessive.

banning decisions are not made by one person alone so please lets not throw everything on krem.

and once again, i state that I support the banning for the reasons i listed above.

The more I think about it this is just a little bit to much. I agree with Loyal on this. Where were the Mods? I know a bit about being a Mod and I would have thought some posts being deleted or threads locked would have been the way to go. Followed up with some warnings to everyone involved. From the start.. So apparently some people aren't doing their jobs. Fine... Lets see, the top brass steps in takes a look around and bans,,,,one person. Hey, Mavs no angel in all of this but neither are some others. No real warning to all parties involved, just, a ban of one. Ahh, that's not good Administrating. Doesn't seem to fair to me. As I recall wasn't this site the place everyone ran to because they were all sick of that same shit over at Mojo? If your gonna follow the rule theres always room for a little gray area, not just black and white. With a banning of one, a side is taken. That's not fair.

Was Mav wrong in some of the things being posted? Yep.

Were others also guilty of the same thing? Yep.

Should something have been done by the Mods/Admins? Yep. Gradual steps to all parties involved with banning only as a last resort. That wasn't done.

Also wasn't Mav doing some work for the Oscar ceremonies behind the scenes? The guys helping out around here and he's just banned? You think that the powers that be would have told him(along with others) in a p.m. to cool it down. I dont want to hear this, that and the other thing has been going on for 3 months so Mav had it coming. Thats not going to cut it. Problems in the past should have been taken care of in the past.

I'll tell ya what. If I was in charge and I sat around letting this stuff go on for days, weeks or months and did nothing until now I'd be the one to blame.


It just doesnt seem right... Or fair.

read what krem has to say. read what i have to say. now point out who else did that?

mav's banning was not a result of just the argument portion of whats been happening. the situation on that is lost. one could point out who started, who escalated and we'll keep going in circles over that one. thats why it was left out of the discussion. for me, the most important thing is this. when one of my contributors decides hes had enough of one person, you do not encourage him to continue leaving like you own the place .... thats not where your say comes into play. you do not bash every single person part of a community when it is the community itself you're trying to revive. i see none of the others doing this. i see none of the others passing remarks about who is more mature 'first' and i see none of the otehrs asking anyone to 'shut up about something' cause they know more about it.

I feel bad for Maverikk sometimes. It seems like he's genuinely trying to get a good point across, but it sometimes comes off confrontational. If I had a nickel for every time I posted something that didn't sound the same as it did in my head, I would be rich.

While I support the moderation and administration of this site, I think Mav's temp-ban was unnecessary and will ultimately not be viewed as the best choice.

Mav, if you read this, I hope you come back in a week. It would seem to me that this might send him over the edge and stop posting. I know some would enjoy that, but as someone who has only ever come to hate one poster (imtim, mainly because he added me to MSN Messenger without asking, which would normally be fine if he didn't already do a million things that annoyed me), I don't want to see Maverikk stop posting.

Well, I did talk to Mav via PM to tell him to take a break for a while (it's his birthday weekend afterall). But that was just before the ban came into play.

I've begged for a certain poster to be banned and it seems unlikely (for now anyway). But without much discussion or serious thought, Mav is given a ban. I think he needed to cool down but I had faith he could have walked away on his own. At least one person he has problems with has a share of blame.

Fine! I'll build my own forum. With blackjack, and hookers!

In fact, forget the forum!!

Seems right on to me. Krem isn't harsh, he just can recognize repeat offenders when he sees them. Over the last year, Krem's judgments have been by far the most sound of any admin since we flocked over here. And that's coming from someone who argues with Krem on all sorts of subjects and is used to telling him he's dead wrong in threads. But I think he's been a very good and fair admin.

I stand by the decision admins/mods made as a group. Nebs tried to intervene, and the first thing he received was a condescending reply from Mav. I think at certain point you have to draw the line to say enough is enough.

It had nothing to do with the arguement with Shack but how he responded to authority

If Hitler came back from the dead and posted here, I wouldn't agree with his banning. I'm just funny that way. I don't like bannings, unless it's my own. Then I loathe it.