In this case, the troublemaking and argumentativeness Shack.

Shack decided to post these links (because Shack is one of the growing number of members here who don't think for themselves) http://www.worldofkj.com/forum/viewtopi ... ht=#792847

As you see in the first thread that the obsessed Shack used, Nazgul even admitted to starting. MovieDude saw it and told him to stop. Shack tried to blame me...

http://worldofkj.com/forum/viewtopic.ph ... 38&start=0

The next thread , Lecter said I wasn't in my right mind. Used that description before I said anything to him, and my reply was hardly a fight. This is an outright lie from Shack. Read it for yourself.

http://www.worldofkj.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=14137

The next thread is the Walk the Line box office thread, in which Shack just wanted to argue, and as usual, he didn't have a clue what he was talking about and made things up. Read it for yourself.

http://www.worldofkj.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=12910

The next is Spider-Man 3 trailer thread, and there are no arguments. More Shack lies. This is ridiculous levels of pathetic.

http://www.worldofkj.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=24978

Uh...and I wasn't the only one to complain, and that thread was a complaint. Obviously because torrino started. If you haven't noticed, torrino has a history of starting trouble. It is part of the reason he was fired as a mod. Although he blamed me, and you, not thinking for yourself once again, are obviously doing the same...

http://www.worldofkj.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=13102

Well, what spin on Shack's non thinking part. Of course he's not telling that my response to neo_wolf here was in reply to neo_wolf creating a screenname that was insulting me directly...

http://www.worldofkj.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=17714

This is my bad here. All the way back in Feb. of 2005. My fault.

http://www.worldofkj.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=152636

All the way back in October of 2004, and this was in reference to me being told that dolce was PMing people telling them not to sign up at moviefever.com She and I have long since moved on. It's a shame shack hasn't...

http://worldofkj.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=968

Nobody that doesn't have access to the mainsite forum can see this one, and neither can Shack, but he posted it anyway, as if he knows what in here. Clearly I didn't start. Anybody with access can see for themselves. This thread was about Fett coming here and being a negative dick. Way to go with this proof, Shack, glad you even know what you're posting...

http://worldofkj.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=176890

Um...this is a Goldie was banned thread in which Goldie comments were being given by everybody, and Goldie attacked me. Again, nice one Shack. Read first next time before you take torrino's word like some type of mindless slug...

http://worldofkj.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=5685

Can you explain how this thread about moderator conduct, in which I was asked to start in that forum, was me causing trouble? Did you know I was asked to start that thread?

http://worldofkj.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=191471

A thread compiled of me asking people to tell what they did is ME starting? Did you ever ask yourself "what did they do?" No? Why not.

http://worldofkj.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=10298

You're posting aruments that were faults of myself and all involved, and that are long since dead and buried. What, does it upset you that loyal and I put our difference aside and became buddies?

http://worldofkj.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=10299

Read this thread and see if I fired the first shot.

http://worldofkj.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=361918

haha...I'm not even anywhere in that thread, nor is anything about me. Another case of Shack not even knowing what he's posting, but doing it anyway to cause trouble. Read it for yourself.

http://worldofkj.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=11655

Eagle's bitching thread was me starting a fight? Huh?

http://worldofkj.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=378387

This is a duplicate thread that Shack already posted. It's the torrino should be demoted thread. Way to go trying to use stuff more than once to stack the deck...

http://worldofkj.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=426421

Again, this thread was already used, and if you read it, you can make the distinction between starting a fight and responding to somebody else who fired the first comment.

Can we get a ban here? Shack was told "one more time" after constantly following me around, sending harrassing PMs, and starting trouble at every opportunity. Enough is enough with his bullshit, and I think this bunch of lies that he posted proves that he needs a week off to think about the forum cancer he is, and do things to change his ways.


http://worldofkj.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=359753

i have been under the impression that moviedude is handling this situation already. why the thread?

Because I was moving it out of the Happy Feet thread so it could get back on topic, and I think it was important to show the level of bullshit that members here go to to cause trouble.

This is a big reason that you can't get the forum to grow, members like shack. The negativity. The obsessions with negativity. You said that a request was made and that request was answered, so I thought you also needed to see that Shack didn't give what I asked for. I asked for him to back up his claims.






He didn't back up his claims. I'm tired of this troublemaking that is allowed to go on, insulting my character and making up lies. This kind of stuff has led to this community being an embarrassment. Havent you noticed? Others have, because we have discussed it. I fully expect the peanut gallery to show up anytime, as predictable as they are, and try to blame me because they don't have minds of their own. It's like a bunch of mindsless slugs have infested this place. Do you wonder why you can't get anybody to care about the mainsite? This has got to be one of the worst forum communities on the net. Baumer's 150 dollar giveaway attracted 4 people? Have you ever once considered that the way things are beoing run here has created this environment of apathy? I came from a forum community that everybody loved and supported eachother. Do you think fanfics would ever be supported to the point that they'd get their own forum here? Nobody even bothers listening to the podcasts and commenting.

It's a pathetic forum, and the people like Shack, who really doesn't contribute anything for the good of the forum, constantly starting this kind of shit. When is it going to finally stop?

I don't really care about the whole situation between you and Shack, that's something you two can work out. I just wanted to comment on this:



I don't think this is necessarily true, Mav. You have a point that people don't always get involved in our site events, but I think there is still a decent amount of participation. I believe the Foreign Film Festival was a success, the two award shows we had earlier this year had great turn-outs and attendance on the night of the show (minus the whole "LETS CRASH THE FORUM" idea, of course), and yeah, the podcasts did recieve listeners and comments.

Podcast 1: 82 replies
Podcast 2: 55 replies
Podcast 3: 62 replies
Podcast 4: 28 replies
Podcast 5: 24 replies

And that's not including those that listened and didn't comment. I know I didn't comment on the last two, but I listened.

There's room for improvement, but I don't think we should say that there is a total lack of participation. That's all.

Zingy,

Not a total lack, but it's such a small number, and it became less and less. Like I said, I came from a forum community at BOM where this is pathetic compared to. Those podcasts would have been supported so much more than that. baumer's generous contest would have been something everybody would have been all over. There would have been some excitement that the website now had an awards section. The box office previews would have been supported by everyone. Fanfics were supported so strongly that they got their own forum! This community is nothing compared to that, and nothing compared to other great communities I see on the net.

There is absolutely no community here, it's a dissention infested environment thanks to people like Shack who live to gravitate toward negativity.

Look at the amount of passionate replies in that ScottV thread when insulting him was the order of the day? Where's that passion for the stuff on the mainsite that is a positive? This place focuses on negativity, and it's killed the fun.

Even you posted awhile back about how boring it was, and you wanted me to come back to raise hell. Why not want me to come back to do positive and productive stuff instead? Nobody supports the positives, they only want to focus on their miserable day they had, and being a mindless slug with nothing better to do. And you know from our conversation earlier that I don't include you in that group.

Can you honestly tell me that major changes don't need to happen around here? You can't blame me, either, as you were complaining about it when I was gone for 5 months. Blaming me has become the convenient excuse of the troublemaking sect, and it's about time Shack finally was held accountable so that shit would stop once and for all.

Let's talk about how bad Mav is. Let's all talk about what a detriment the guy who has done more for this website than anybody has in the last month is. He is just pathetic.

Think I'll quote snrub here, maybe if I quote things it'll be funnier.





I love how maverikk starts a thread saying I start trouble, when he threatened to request for a week long ban if I didn't post links, if I didn't "start the trouble" in his words.

Also in every one of those links regardless of "who started it", you were still the instigator that turned them into fights... Noone else would've blown things up like that.

I'm mostly laughing.

Whats more negative: Me, the one acting mostly calm and saying I have nothing against you?... Or: The single most fight and insult prone person here with ease, the person who makes threads like this criticizing the site in every way, the person who rips on members, this person:



Once again, I'm laughing at your hypocrisy.

Again, the proof of who started is right there in the links, and you're such an idiot that you can't tell the difference. Do you know why you have trouble socializing in real life? It's because you have mental problems. Post the examples in quotes of where I "instigated" anything. Your word is shit. Nobody here thinks of you as credible because all you've ever done is make things up. Back it up. Do you know how to back up your claims? You didn't even know what you were posting because you don't know how to think for yourself. I went through everyone of those links. Your turn. Show me exactly how it was me starting. After you do that, you have abut 85 more instances to show me.



You're a major reason why this place is like it is. A kid who is filled with weird obsessions and focuses on negativity. What an awful life you must have. No wonder you're afraid to socialize in the real world.



What's more negative??? YOU! The one who CONSTANTLY gravitates toward negativity here. Do you think when somebody gets in your face for starting your immature shit that it's the other person? Most people understand the difference by the time they are 8 years old. You've been told over and over, yet you don't have the self control to stop your weird obsession with a grown man on the internet. Those are facts. You were warned. That's a fact. Is everybody else wrong and you're the innocent one?

Are you so slow that you REALLY can't tell how negative you are? Back up your claims about me. You haven't been able to do it because you can't. You are nothing but a liar and you are nothing but a troublemaker. You've been warned repeatedly. Those are called FACTS. Are you trying to deny that you haven't been told many times about your troublemaking?

Tell me right nowand watch how fast I show you how to back up a claim, because I'll post link after link of your troublemaking shit.

You posted the comment I made after you started. Are you so goddamn dumb that you don't even know what it means to "instigate'? You have been warned repeatedly for doing it. Post the links and quotes and back it up, and make extra sure you don't lie like you did the first time that you didn't even know what links you were posting.



While you're laughing, why don't you post the proof to back up your claims. I'm not interested in your word. Your word has been proven to be the word of a liar over and over. It holds no credibility. I want proof. I want you to post quotes from me (where I STARTED SOMETHING. NOT WHERE I FIRED BACK) It's up to about 100 times where I started? Everytime somebody has a difference of opinion I attack them? Prove those claims.

Why don't you just go to BOF and spread your sunshine over there. Ever since you came here, you have dumbed down this place with your posts. Everybody here knows that you don't know what you're talking about. You don't know anything about the awards, yet try to act as if you know better than I do because you're an argumentative idiot. You've filled this place with your negativity and lying. It's no wonder that you don't know how to talk to people in real life, as it's clear to see that you have no social skills.

I'll be waiting to see these claims proven. (and incase you don't comprehend what that means anymore than you comprehend what "instigate" means, I'm NOT asking for more unsubstantiated comments from you. You can look THAT word up, too, if you don't know what it means...) Prove it. I've already proven you to be a lying troublemaker.

Mav, just let it go man. You know how I feel about the forum. There are things that can be changed and things that can't.

This is a very Zen moment for us all.

Do I wish the forum was more active on the main site? Sure. But it's not going to happen because WoKJ was a forum first, a main site second. I'm worried about new visitors and site traffic and the like.

I believe 100% that things can change to get these people to start giving a damn. If not about the mainsite, at least about the community. It's a sad state of affairs.

The first step is getting people like Shack to straighten his act up. This is a tired act. It's just like the moral soapbox that zach and torrino stepped up onto the other day because of my ADD generation comment. They could have cared less about morality, they were only interested in more of this negative bullshit directed at me, and that has become commonplace at this forum. If they really cared, don't you think they would have said something to you for calling generation y's "fucking idiots"?

It's that kind of garbrage that has poisoned this place. Awhile back, they were trying to get some excitement going here, and what was their solution? Torrino started a thread to insult people. WOW!!!

I can't remember if you were around during the Matt and Knighty period at BOM. The real life forum had always been a place of friendship and fun times, and then Matt and Knighty started posting there. They constantly insulted people and chased off all of the good members who were regulars in that forum. It soon became a ghost town of a forum. Finally, myself and others took that forum back by force and Matt and Knighty got themselves banned. It wasn't long before we got everything back to normal. I personally had to bump the conversation thread back up. Their negativity had killed it and I found it buried 20 pages. If I would have said "we can't change things", the conversation thread wouldn't be here, and who knows, you all probably wouldn't have found that forum interesting enough to ever post in.

It's the same negativity I see from Shack and the like. I am not the only one that feels this way. This forum can easily be changed for the better, it just needs leadership, and that is severely lacking. There is nobody at this forum that is taking charge and TRYING to change anything. I really meant what I said, this is one of the absolute worst forum communities I've ever witnessed. Of course, Shack, in his infinite wisdom of 16 whole years, decided that it was my fault for bringing up the truth, and not the fault of people like himself who have driven this place down fast. It's not just a case of this place not caring about the mainsite, it's this place doesn't care about the entire forum community. They are content with their little cliques and that's about it. The BOF members have really made it no secret that they have not been made to feel welcome here. baumer's contest was hardly a mainsite thing, it was something he did for the community, and only FOUR people bothered. How sad is that?

I think most people don't care because they know it's dead and infested here, and they realize it would take effort to get things to the levels of what a strong community would be, and they can't be bothered. Nobody cares here. For somebody like me who remembers when there was a time and place where EVERYBODY cared, that's a hard pill to swallow, and the root of the problem is members with attitudes like Shack has. Troublemaking members who do nothing positive or constructive around here. Apathetic members like 90% of this group who can't be bothered to care. It's easy to understand why this place isn't growing beyond the BOM rejects. The mods don't even care to be mods anymore.

And the mainsite is my #1 priority, too, which is why I've been putting in so much time. I actually just spoke with another member who doesn't care for the state of this sad community, and I have been talking to him about becoming heavily involved with the mainsite, and just spending time there, not at a community that doesn't even exist anymore. I have to care, though. That's who I am. I wish that everybody, including those who have got pissed in the past when members like myself have said how much better the community used to be in 2002-2003, would have experienced what a community like that is like. They'd not want to ever settle for less if they had. They'd not want to give up on getting that kind of thing going here. Other forum communities have it, we don't here.

I'm not entering this debate, but I do just want to say that I really enjoy this community and the people here. I do run in different circles than some, but there are a lot of teriffic people here. Although, it should be noted that I hate Killimunati and baba (fight the power!).

I also enjoy the podcasts and do listen to them all, even if I don't get a chance to respond.

As for the main site, I'm sorry to say I hardly ever visit. Baba needs to start up a video game section and then I might check it out.

Ok, back to your regularly scheduled program...

It was. Looking at the 100+ post Italian Cinema thread just brings tears to my eyes every time I revisit it. Sniff sniff.

Next year, I'm going to get you to spread some of those loving 26000 posts in the festival too. You'll be getting pms beginning three weeks before the festival. Just a little warning....

Anyways, my two cents. I have a range of respect and an understanding of MO of everyone involved. First thing first, if someone truly cares about the community, he or she will stop finger-pointing and/or singling any other single person out. Its just negative energy. Rather, whatever someone is into, they should be active about, and focus on content rather than persons. I have my own judgements about the past few threads I've read, but I'll reserve them to myself or take them to pm. And usually, I talk to the people I relate to, and think will have an understandings of my suggestions.

I also tend to harrass people whenever I host something, and that's just the way it is. This is, first and foremost, a "chat" place. Which is pretty passive. So I don't expect any "event" to be all that large, because it requires extra effort (aquiring films, making time in your day in a two-to-three hour spot rather than just a minute here and there to say hello). Anything that requires more energy, I am happy if even five or six people show dedication and remain persistent. That's not a small amount, either. I think this year we had a good ten active participants/hosts in the Foreign Film Festival, and that is a massive step up the previous two years. I don't expect two hundred people to run right out and rent three Fellini movies. I mean, I think anyone who doesn't will never be complete in life, but, you know, that's there choice. I think ten active people is alot, and rather than sit around and pout over why it isn't twenty, or why it should be thirty, I say good, ten people. If they liked it and come back next year, and we got one or two more additions, that'll be twelve people, yay.

Anyways, this entire post has been a blatant advertisement for the spectacular Festival at KJ (tm). See you next year, take time to read through this year's lovely threads and comment, and hopefully someone is going to be the bigger person and just drop these back-and-forth fights about who started what. It sounds like the freakin' Middle East in here, for crying out loud. Someone just stop responding, and it'll all go away.

On another festival note, hey bABA, did you send out the DVDs yet? I simply cannot wait to see the surprise on winners faces when they see what their gifts are. I'm getting anxious.

I would also like to reiterate what Dolce is saying! I hate many people around here. These people know it, and I know they dislike me. It's part of the fun, getting under people's skin is like porn for me.

my understanding is that they've been sent out.

Hey getluv. I don't say it enough, but thanks again for helping to organize and run the festival this year. I'm pretty sure it was much more active and larger this year because of all your additional help and input and ideas. Left to my own machinations, it never made it past the gestation stage, but this year with you it really blossomed. So yeah, now you're stuck co-overseeing the festival for eternity. That's what you get for doing a good job....



w00t! Thank-you for doing this for us this year.

I send them. They should be there today or tomorrow.

Heh, Mav doesn't seem to realize that threads like THESE are a big big source of his "negativity". I think instead of arguing I'll just let his quotes do the talking themselves:





My personal favorite:





Maverikk, is this not a thread started to insult people? I mean seriously, ehehe.

Maybe you need to wake up and realize you are the one being negative. Insults, personal slaps, threads calling out people, most of us in this thread including me love this forum the way it is, it's one of the best personality-wise on the net, and we're being negative?

Pleaz.

HY-PO-CRITE.

BUT YOU STARTED IT WITH YOUR MEAN COMMENTS.

You love the forum like it is? Negative? Infested with apathy? Of course you do, you're one of the biggest reasons it's like it is. We KNOW you love it. You love the fact that nobody cares about anything. You love the negative energy, which you cause. Many of us would prefer poeple here to give a shit. To do productive things. To be supportive. To be a welcoming community. You like it just the way it is...

Also, try to concentrate REALLY hard, and see if you can muster up the intelligence to understand WHY this thread was started, because you obviously didn't catch it the first time. Still waiting on you to prove your claims, Shack... (with facts, not lies)

As I said, there was a thread started that was complaining about this place being such a drag, and even screaming for me to come back. I'd say that more than a few people know the problem here isn't me, and your word is not credible here. After all, it's a FACT that you were warned about your troublemaking. Look the word FACT up or ask somebody what it means.

I don't have a lot of time right now to get into this, but i will say this:

I like this place a lot, so does Mav, i know he does. If we didn't, we wouldn't be here. but it does feel like I am an outsider at times. Mojo was a shit hole at the end, but it did have a great sense of community at the beginning. Here, it just doesn't seem like people give a shit one way or another if i'm here at times. I was a little upset and embarassed that 4 people participated in my contest. That just shows that no one really cares one way or another about the older members. Like I said, i don't have a lot of time right now, but i just wanted to say i agree with Mav in a lot of way.

We do appreciate you a lot baumer, especially your reviews.

I think the only reason your contest wasn't participated moreso in, was because a lot of us didn't know the answers... Or at least I didn't, I could barely get any, so I didn't continue with it, especially when it was like 70 questions long.

It's not all about me, believe me, I don't want this to sound like I'm crying because im not "popular."....sorry, gotta go..very sorry...manager is coming back...

baumer, I think a lot of people didn't participate because it was a contest for the hardcore film lovers that knew or had time to find out all the little details you asked for. That's not easy to do, and considering that the contest started, what, a couple of days after you announced it? It's just simply not enough time to get even participation. Mr. Price's screenshots game was a well-planned, constructed contest that gave time to gain members. You created the original thread on Oct. 18 and the "ANNOUNCEMENT: THE GAME HAS STARTED" thread one day later. I was like, "what? It was just announced yesterday...". Your game went too fast, and for something that can't be done with just common knowledge, I think it could have been done better with time. I don't think it's that people don't respect the "older members" - I actually take great offense to that. First of all, we do respect you guys. I'm not going to praise you all "older members" just because you're older, but I definitely respect what you were trying to do, what Maverikk does for the site, Libs as mod for like two years, etc.

Not that I'm saying our community is perfect. Things fail a lot here. The Half-Decade Awards? Took quite a loooong while for MikeQ. to get a decent number of ballots. 90's Awards? I'm actually not even sure if that ever happened. All these things require a large amount of time that not everyone might have. Everything takes time over here. Time to start up. Time to complete the task, etc. KJ Idol? The first one we did on this site had great participation and speed, but the second one never even started because of a lack of participation. Basically, what I'm trying to say (and I know I'm rambling, this is a very unorganized response) is that there a certain things that appeal only to certain people on this site. Very few things get FULL participation by the forum. The Poster Awards and Movie Awards did, because they were easy, fun and didn't require an expertise in a certain field. The Foreign Film Festival appeals to people who will watch foreign films (but with dolce's patience and "take-no-for-an-answer" attitude, she always pulls it off with flying colors), KJ Idol appeals to certain people (I didn't join the second time because I know I'm not creative enough for it), and your Contest could only appeal to the big-time film experts who've seen the same films as you and seen it multiple times to answer those questions. That's not easy. But with time, you might have got more participants.

So, when you say...



...I think that's unfair.

Yup what Zing said, the questions were extremely difficult but I understand the need to make it difficult since google provides every single damn answer to alot of films. As for the title of the thread Im staying out of this fight but however I dont see a need to criticize the hard effort that Baba did with the podcast and attacking Shack's personal life

It's unfair to lump the entire forum together. Because this community is so limited to what we have now, with the odd newbie that stays, many of us go through busy times, and maybe it happens for a lot of people at the same time. I know I just don't have time sometimes to go through every forum, just the TV, Cooler, and Sports.

But, I will say that I miss everyone when they're not around for a while. When Mav was gone for five months, when Baumer takes a break or two from posting heavily, when Lecter goes to the bathroom between long hours of posting.

I really have seen less bitching and crying between teenage girls over stolen boyfriends...