I agree. I mean, Saw has kind of introduced us to a new type of horror movie, where it actually requires you to think now and then, but eventually at the end of the day it's still a horror movie, and while it expects us to be intrigued with the fact it asks so many questions about morality and who deserves to live and die, it also hopes that in turn the audience will overlook the traditional plot holes and inconsistencies which not only are necessary for the story to keep going, but also keep this films from achieving true greatness.

I try not to, but Dark Shape asked, so I had to think about it for a little bit. I usually very rarely try and go over the problems of a horror movie if I'm thoroughly entertained, like the first and the 2nd, but the third made me think because it just didnt work for me as well, and since you have to explain any opinion you have on this site, I prepped myself alittle.

And Dark Shape, it was Zepp's choice to kill the wife and daughter of Dr. Gordon, not Jigsaw's, he gave him the opportunity not for Dr. Gordon and Zepp not to do it.

But like said, theres no reason for us to keep going over the logistics of the Saw films, their plot holes completely throughout, the third was the weakest for me, lets just leave it at that.

The other thing I should say is that characters becoming illogical at the end is nothing new, it happened to a lesser extent in Saw.

Yes it did, but not to that extent. The first you can just blame the acting somewhat. The actors literally read the script as they did their lines, they shot the rehearsals. It also did in the end of the 2nd, become illogical I mean. But the ending twists more "I had no idea" maybe thats my biggest problem that I predicted about the last 25 minutes or so.

You're missing my point. Jigsaw still had no trouble in killing Dr. Gordon's family -- his innocent wife and daughter -- in the interest of the game. So I don't see it as hypocritical at all that he'd play the card again. Whether it's Zepp who pulls the trigger or Jigsaw who leaves a little girl in a room to suffocate, he's setting up a very real possibility that the innocent child is going to be killed in the interest of someone else's game.

Having just seen this, not sure why almost everyone said this would be the last. First reason, money. and then on a possible 4th one, for starters, doesn't the father still have his game to play, the daughter is missing with lack of air and zigsaw could have set up that game already. Then, a guess, maybe the father goes bonkers and takes over Jigsaw after having Jigsaw ruined his family.

A crappy entry in a great series...

What a clunky, boring movie. The puzzles were unimaginative and poorly shown. The psychology was muddy. The acting was sloppy.

1 out of 5.

(That being said, S1 & S2 were great as is the overall story arc, I can barely wait to see Jigsaw's backstory unfold in the final two entries in this classic horror series!)

I didn't buy it from the emotional point of view either, the set-up for that explanation was attempted but completely failed.


Jigsaw didn't say he killed him, but rather that he "cleaned up her mistakes" - mark my words: Wahlberg will be back in Saw IV as Jigsaw's new apprentice to run the tests.

***Spoilers***

While Saw IV wraps up the little girl story, it will begin to tell the Jigsaw backstory, ie what happened to him with that blond woman. Then Saw V will be entirely flashback, completely laying out the Jigsaw origin story. I wouldn't be surprised if he himself turns out to have been the apprentice of an "über-Jigsaw". That'll be the launching point for the second pentology of movies and the TV series,,,

I gotta say I feel sorry for ya, zen. Ya picked the only dud out of the series to start your Saw experience. I started on the best entry S2, then went back to the almost as good S1, before moving on to what you rightly describe as the tripe that is S3...

Thats impossible. Not only did he beat the shit out of Amanda, Jigsaw was wheelchair ridden at that point, and Donnie Beat the living shit out of him earlier at the end of Saw II. I seriously doubt that Jigsaw could all of a sudden take a really pissed off Donnie, considering he couldnt walk, and Donnie easily handed it to him (Breaking his finger like it was nothing) So if you want my opinion. Maybe Donnie Wahlberg will return.

C-

It seems, 12 months hasn't done this franchise any good. Apart from the inclusion Bahar Soomekh, who to date, leads the best performance to date in the SAW series, and about damn too. You can be as cheap as you want, but throw in some decent acting and your work comes off much better. However, Bell, Smith, the Judge, the Dad can't act to save a life.

However apart from the beautiful Iranian, it seems logic has been thrown out the window for more "twists" that can make SAW and SAW II look better. Smart people, should know better. It seems a few people understood that, while other posters fell into the trap.

I will not be seeing SAW IV, unless they finish the little girls story.

I'm sorry but there wasn't anything wrong with the so called logic in SAW III and it tied everything up the way it should be.. Problem is is that you simply read far too much into these movie's for your own good and I think we've already covered that once before.. Your too nitpicky kid..

What?! He's consistently been the best actor and the one with the most presence throughout the series. His voice alone is very distinguishing.

You have got to be kidding!

Gotta agree with Joe here -- Tobin Bell (aka: Jigsaw) makes an excellent villain...

I wouldnt go that far, I think his voice is really the only thing that is good about him, the more you see how weak a guy his in, and doesnt do his trademark voice, his mediocre acting skills start to show. But not like that matters for a horror franchise he does his job fine.

Wait what?! Is that true? Second pentology and a TV series only raises further questions!!

Oh... and, awesome end to the trilogy. Although, I question how SAW IV will be handled. I've questioned each movie every time, so I guess I'm hoping to be pleasently surprised yet again!

Grade: A

***SPOILERSSSS****

Part of me wants to think that maybe Jigsaw isn't really dead. It would take some heavy duty essplainin' to do, but it could be done. But, that would probably lessen the quality of the fourth movie, unless it was done really, really well.

Maybe it's all just a game. Maybe no one's dead.... oh... 'cept for the doctor. I think she's gone.

Was the ending meant to be taken as a "To be Continued"? Will part IV wrap up that storyline? I only ask because I figured Jeff had failed, so that was that, but bradley says otherwise. If it is a wrap-up, of sorts, then I can't see how at least Jigsaw could be dead. But, if it's a flashback-y thing or even a prequel, I would understand and assume Jigsaw really did bite the dust.

And I also want to mention how cool it was to see Leigh Whannell and Donnie Wahlberg reprise their roles, one a bit more briefly than the other (I guess Whannell didn't mind the non-speaking part, seeing as he wrote the movie).

No doubt the Best of the series It was so awesome i actually was grossed out a couple of times... that doesnt happend to me very often.

A

B


Saw II surprised me a WHOLE lot that it didn't went down in quality much from the excellent first film, so my hopes for up for the second sequel. Sadly, it ended up being distinctly inferior to the other two Saw flicks. Now it was still a fun ride, but it lacked all the suspense of the first two films and the ending simply didn't shock me nearly as much as it did in the first two outings. To the biggest part, I really found the ending twists predictable, except for the very last one. I had overall problems with the ending as well, all of them more or less elaborated by MovieDude above. For some reason, some characters got too stupid at the end...

That aside, it was still enjoyable. The gore level was higher than ever and it was the first time in some years that a movie actually made me cringe a lot in my seat. The whole beginning with Donnie Wahlberg smashing his foot and Dina Meyer having her ribcage ripped open really had me cringing and forcing myself not to look away. Extremely unpleasant and harsh. Then it got much tamer all of sudden with the frozen chick and the nearly-drowned judge only to up the ante at the end with Jigsaw's "favorite tool". Now that thing was sick! Overall, a good horror flick, but overall doesn't come close to the genius of the first two films. Saw and Saw II both ended up as my favorite horror movies in their respective years. Last year there were several horror flicks clearly superior to Saw III (The Descent, The Hills Have Eyes, Final Destination 3 etc.).

Better then the awful Saw II which ranks as one of the worst movies ever made (read my bile filled review to see how much I hated it), but then thats like saying getting raped by a goat is better then rape by a Lion. Tobin Bell is a very decent villian but the lazy way Saw 2 and 3 were conceived really annoys me. Saw 1 was very enjoyable, it had a plot and every trap had a purpose and moved the story forward. All its 2 sequels did was come up with the deaths first and then attempted to hoist a piss poor story structure on it. In Saw IIIs defence the characters that shuffle around it are at least in possession of a brain unlike the lunkheads in Saw II but the sheer level of coincidence and chance that the story has to rely on to move forward is insane.

Saw III shows up the inherent problem hollywood has in understanding what makes a good horror. Gore is fun yes but when all you do is chuck gore at the screen with nothing to back it up it becomes nothing more then an empty vessel. Saying horror doesn't need story and character to be good is a cop-out in my mind.

You want to see a good horror released in the USA in 2006, go watch the Descent and avoid this.

D

Far too grim and serious to work effectively. The first two, while still disturbing and horrific, had an edge of mystery that needed to be solved and kept the viewer entertained. There's very little of that here. It's dark, dull, and depressing, and the gore is totally disgusting and off-putting.

I know I'm sounding like a hypocritical torture porn nut with these reviews, but I honestly enjoyed the first two films. This one... not so much.

I actually liked this one a lot, which is saying something since I find this franchise horribly overrated. It's pretty scary, inventive and good for what it is. B

Great Film my favorite of the whole series .