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Sounds more like an adaption than a remake. Maybe even a reimagining.

A remake? No.


Stupid.


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Maverikk wrote:
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Sounds more like an adaption than a remake. Maybe even a reimagining.

A remake? No.


Stupid.


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Said the guy who is always an idiot.

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Said the guy who is always an idiot.


Grow up and watch the fucking insults.


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Said the guy who is always an idiot.


Grow up and watch the fucking insults.


No, thanks, I like being young as long as I am. Nothing you can enjoy anymore : )

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It's a remake, that much isn't up for debate. The only reason to even bring that point up is the question "Will being a remake hurt its chances at the awards." The answer is no, also not really a debate. Isn't it neat that the ONLY person who is comparing the film to King Kong is doing so for every reason BUT the "remake factor"? I loled.


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Um, yeah, I'm gonna have to say it's a remake.

Considering that it, you know...is


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Um, yeah, I'm gonna have to say it's a remake.

Considering that it, you know...is


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Remake verb - to make something again or in a new way. noun - 1. a) something that is made again; b) especially a new version of an old film. 2) the act of making something again or in a new way.

The Departed is every bit as much of a remake as King Kong was.

However, in the Oscar race, it benefits from the fact that a lot of people aren't necessarily as familiar of the source material as they were with Kong. So, in that respect, they are indeed two entirely different beasts.


The Departed also benefits form the fact that Scorses is much rather removed from Infernel Affirs then Peter Jackson was from King Kong. Jackson remade the film that got him to love movies, Scorsese remaking a foreign film that got good reviews.

Kong was a case were is you saw the orginal you were not going to see anything new in the remake, dito was van sant's Psycho, to me the The Departed is mroe like say Clueless, if you've read Emma you know exactly were the film is going but it has a different settings and that's brings along with it differences.
Having seen INfernal Affairs do I consider The Departed a remake, yes, I am goign in knowing the overall story, however I expect the chang ein location, cast, and director to bring some changes to the film. Now that its set in Boston, a city whose crime past I am familar I expect the film to reflect not only the basic story of Infernal Affairs but also something about Boston. I also expect changes in dialogue, camera placement, etc.

To me a reimanign is nothing more then a well done remake, one were instead of carbon copying what a person can already watch, you take the source mateial and change it, tweak, add something new...you make ht efilm interesting not only to new viewers but also to viewers who know the original material. I loved the orginal, but I am going to see The Departed to not see Infernal Affairs, but see Martin Scorses's intrepretation of Infernal Affairs.


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Ripper wrote:
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Remake verb - to make something again or in a new way. noun - 1. a) something that is made again; b) especially a new version of an old film. 2) the act of making something again or in a new way.

The Departed is every bit as much of a remake as King Kong was.

However, in the Oscar race, it benefits from the fact that a lot of people aren't necessarily as familiar of the source material as they were with Kong. So, in that respect, they are indeed two entirely different beasts.


The Departed also benefits form the fact that Scorses is much rather removed from Infernel Affirs then Peter Jackson was from King Kong. Jackson remade the film that got him to love movies, Scorsese remaking a foreign film that got good reviews.

Kong was a case were is you saw the orginal you were not going to see anything new in the remake, dito was van sant's Psycho, to me the The Departed is mroe like say Clueless, if you've read Emma you know exactly were the film is going but it has a different settings and that's brings along with it differences.
Having seen INfernal Affairs do I consider The Departed a remake, yes, I am goign in knowing the overall story, however I expect the chang ein location, cast, and director to bring some changes to the film. Now that its set in Boston, a city whose crime past I am familar I expect the film to reflect not only the basic story of Infernal Affairs but also something about Boston. I also expect changes in dialogue, camera placement, etc.

To me a reimanign is nothing more then a well done remake, one were instead of carbon copying what a person can already watch, you take the source mateial and change it, tweak, add something new...you make ht efilm interesting not only to new viewers but also to viewers who know the original material. I loved the orginal, but I am going to see The Departed to not see Infernal Affairs, but see Martin Scorses's intrepretation of Infernal Affairs.


Well me too, obviously. If I wanted to see Infernal Affairs I would pop in the DVD. But it is still a remake, that's what it is.

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Dr. Lecter wrote:
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Remake verb - to make something again or in a new way. noun - 1. a) something that is made again; b) especially a new version of an old film. 2) the act of making something again or in a new way.

The Departed is every bit as much of a remake as King Kong was.

However, in the Oscar race, it benefits from the fact that a lot of people aren't necessarily as familiar of the source material as they were with Kong. So, in that respect, they are indeed two entirely different beasts.


The Departed also benefits form the fact that Scorses is much rather removed from Infernel Affirs then Peter Jackson was from King Kong. Jackson remade the film that got him to love movies, Scorsese remaking a foreign film that got good reviews.

Kong was a case were is you saw the orginal you were not going to see anything new in the remake, dito was van sant's Psycho, to me the The Departed is mroe like say Clueless, if you've read Emma you know exactly were the film is going but it has a different settings and that's brings along with it differences.
Having seen INfernal Affairs do I consider The Departed a remake, yes, I am goign in knowing the overall story, however I expect the chang ein location, cast, and director to bring some changes to the film. Now that its set in Boston, a city whose crime past I am familar I expect the film to reflect not only the basic story of Infernal Affairs but also something about Boston. I also expect changes in dialogue, camera placement, etc.

To me a reimanign is nothing more then a well done remake, one were instead of carbon copying what a person can already watch, you take the source mateial and change it, tweak, add something new...you make ht efilm interesting not only to new viewers but also to viewers who know the original material. I loved the orginal, but I am going to see The Departed to not see Infernal Affairs, but see Martin Scorses's intrepretation of Infernal Affairs.


Well me too, obviously. If I wanted to see Infernal Affairs I would pop in the DVD. But it is still a remake, that's what it is.


I'm agreeing with you dammnit.

It is aremake, I am saying that I consider the term reimaging to just be a well done remake, i.e one that doesn't bore people who've seen the orginal to tears. Being a remake doesn't require Gus Van Sant shot for shot boredomlike Psycho, but we have ot be able to distinguish between the level of remake, because I much prefer The Departed style remakes to Van Sant's Pscho type remakes.


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Ripper wrote:
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Remake verb - to make something again or in a new way. noun - 1. a) something that is made again; b) especially a new version of an old film. 2) the act of making something again or in a new way.

The Departed is every bit as much of a remake as King Kong was.

However, in the Oscar race, it benefits from the fact that a lot of people aren't necessarily as familiar of the source material as they were with Kong. So, in that respect, they are indeed two entirely different beasts.


The Departed also benefits form the fact that Scorses is much rather removed from Infernel Affirs then Peter Jackson was from King Kong. Jackson remade the film that got him to love movies, Scorsese remaking a foreign film that got good reviews.

Kong was a case were is you saw the orginal you were not going to see anything new in the remake, dito was van sant's Psycho, to me the The Departed is mroe like say Clueless, if you've read Emma you know exactly were the film is going but it has a different settings and that's brings along with it differences.
Having seen INfernal Affairs do I consider The Departed a remake, yes, I am goign in knowing the overall story, however I expect the chang ein location, cast, and director to bring some changes to the film. Now that its set in Boston, a city whose crime past I am familar I expect the film to reflect not only the basic story of Infernal Affairs but also something about Boston. I also expect changes in dialogue, camera placement, etc.

To me a reimanign is nothing more then a well done remake, one were instead of carbon copying what a person can already watch, you take the source mateial and change it, tweak, add something new...you make ht efilm interesting not only to new viewers but also to viewers who know the original material. I loved the orginal, but I am going to see The Departed to not see Infernal Affairs, but see Martin Scorses's intrepretation of Infernal Affairs.


Well me too, obviously. If I wanted to see Infernal Affairs I would pop in the DVD. But it is still a remake, that's what it is.


I'm agreeing with you dammnit.

It is aremake, I am saying that I consider the term reimaging to just be a well done remake, i.e one that doesn't bore people who've seen the orginal to tears. Being a remake doesn't require Gus Van Sant shot for shot boredomlike Psycho, but we have ot be able to distinguish between the level of remake, because I much prefer The Departed style remakes to Van Sant's Pscho type remakes.


Lol, I didn't say I am disagreeing with you, I was actually agreeing with you, heh.

Except for lumping Gus Van Sant's Psycho together with King Kong :nonono:

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So like, did you all miss the bit in my post where I said the comparision did NOT stemmed from the fact that their both remakes?

And I'll proudly lose the attitude Mav when you learn to admit you're wrong, in the case of Internal Affairs being a remake. ANd I'll stop picking on you when you stop acting like the greatest Oscar predicter in the history of predicters. :)


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The Departed also benefits form the fact that Scorses is much rather removed from Infernel Affirs then Peter Jackson was from King Kong. Jackson remade the film that got him to love movies, Scorsese remaking a foreign film that got good reviews.

Kong was a case were is you saw the orginal you were not going to see anything new in the remake, dito was van sant's Psycho, to me the The Departed is mroe like say Clueless, if you've read Emma you know exactly were the film is going but it has a different settings and that's brings along with it differences.
Having seen INfernal Affairs do I consider The Departed a remake, yes, I am goign in knowing the overall story, however I expect the chang ein location, cast, and director to bring some changes to the film. Now that its set in Boston, a city whose crime past I am familar I expect the film to reflect not only the basic story of Infernal Affairs but also something about Boston. I also expect changes in dialogue, camera placement, etc.

To me a reimanign is nothing more then a well done remake, one were instead of carbon copying what a person can already watch, you take the source mateial and change it, tweak, add something new...you make ht efilm interesting not only to new viewers but also to viewers who know the original material. I loved the orginal, but I am going to see The Departed to not see Infernal Affairs, but see Martin Scorses's intrepretation of Infernal Affairs.


I agree on Scorcese being more detached from the source than Jackson. But your Clueless analogy is a little bit off... It would be more fitting if The Departed was set in a high school, and the jock clique had sent a jock to infiltrate the geeks to see if there was a geek mole in their jock clique. And a lot more changes were made.

Technically, the word re-imagining is bollocks. It doesn't exist. It was originally coined a mere 5 years ago (if I remember correctly) by Tim Burton to excuse his remake The Planet Of The Apes. If it can be used at all, it only really applies to films that are based on a source material other than film (and that have been adapted previously). For example, Planet of the Apes can theoretically be counted because the original was based on a book - so a different interpretation can be made. Same with Charlie and the Chocolate Factory.

In those cases (which can also be applied to Emma and Clueless), you're not remaking an original film, you're doing a fresh take on a book that has been made as a film many times before. Technically you can't remake an adaptation, you can only do another adaptation.

The Departed is based on a film. The film is the source, therefore it is a remake.


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So like, did you all miss the bit in my post where I said the comparision did NOT stemmed from the fact that their both remakes?

And I'll proudly lose the attitude Mav when you learn to admit you're wrong, in the case of Internal Affairs being a remake. ANd I'll stop picking on you when you stop acting like the greatest Oscar predicter in the history of predicters. :)


Fuck you, you little bipolar retard.

How's that? Any trouble comprehending that? Since the mods obviously don't care if insults are hurled, I'll gladly hurl a few.

The Departed is not a remake. Show me somewhere that it says that anywhere. When then DVD comes out, show me where it mentions anything with the word remake. Your word doesn't cut it. Shew me something other than somebody's opinion.


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Maverikk wrote:
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So like, did you all miss the bit in my post where I said the comparision did NOT stemmed from the fact that their both remakes?

And I'll proudly lose the attitude Mav when you learn to admit you're wrong, in the case of Internal Affairs being a remake. ANd I'll stop picking on you when you stop acting like the greatest Oscar predicter in the history of predicters. :)


Fuck you, you little bipolar retard.

How's that? Any trouble comprehending that? Since the mods obviously don't care if insults are hurled, I'll gladly hurl a few.

The Departed is not a remake. Show me somewhere that it says that anywhere. When then DVD comes out, show me where it mentions anything with the word remake. Your word doesn't cut it. Shew me something other than somebody's opinion.


Go blow yourself, you big lonely egomaniac.

You need proof it's a remake? Here:

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0407887/fullcredits#writers

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William Monahan (screenplay)

Siu Fai Mak (screenplay "Wu jian dao") (as Alan Mak) and
Felix Chong (screenplay "Wu jian dao")


Wu jian dao = Internal Affairs

http://www.time.com/time/arts/article/0 ... 52,00.html

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Just hearing the set-up of this crime-movie storyline has audiences jittery with anticipation. It's rare that a plot gets people into theaters, but this one already has, and will again. Four years ago it was the scenario for "Infernal Affairs," a terrific Hong Kong movie directed by Andrew Lau and Alan Mak, and written by Max and Felix Chong, which became one of the all-time top grossers in the ex-colony. Now it has been remade by Martin Scorsese and screenwriter William Monahan as "The Departed". Chances are that, with Leonardo DiCaprio as the good cop, Matt Damon as the bad one and Jack Nicholson as the crime boss, this very entertaining, densely layered, just-short-of-fabulous melodrama will rustle up some sturdy box office business of its own.


http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/li ... 642589.htm

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The rumors emanating from the set of The Departed, Martin Scorsese's remake of the 2002 Hong Kong crime thriller Infernal Affairs, had Jack Nicholson doing everything from rewriting script pages on a daily basis to eating bugs on camera and springing sex toys on his costars.


http://msnbc.msn.com/id/15076639/site/newsweek/

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Yet Scorsese’s bloody cops-and-mobsters tale is also something of a departure. Most Boston movies, including recent critically acclaimed films like “Good Will Hunting” and “Mystic River,” have been based on books or scripts by local authors. They require certain landmarks and cultural verities for a coherent adaptation. Scorsese’s, however, is a remake of the Hong Kong film “Infernal Affairs,” and might have been made in any major American city. But it was grafted onto the true story—with liberties—of James "Whitey" Bulger and the criminal empire he ran from the Irish shores of South Boston.


That enough? Here's 244 more results:

http://news.google.com/news?sourceid=na ... ted+Remake

Or should I call up Scorsese and ask? :)


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Martin Scorsese says:

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All of Chinese cinema really, Beijing and Taiwan, that I know I can't go there, so I know I had to find my own way to go, and I realized that I hope as my next film is another remake of an Asian film. I'm only making Asian remakes anymore.


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Indeed, this is a faithful version of "IA" — just longer, by about a half-film, to flesh out the characters and give the actors more to play with.

"The Departed" is the fourth Scorsese remake.


But what do they know anyway.

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All of Chinese cinema really, Beijing and Taiwan, that I know I can't go there, so I know I had to find my own way to go, and I realized that I hope as my next film is another remake of an Asian film. I'm only making Asian remakes anymore.


Thanks Lecter, now I don't have to waste time trying to find his phone number. :biggrin:


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Again, I'll repeat incase any bipolar retards didn't get it the first time. Show me anywhere this film is being treated as a remake by the studio, director, anybody. I think I've covered my opinion on how much weight I give a critic. They don't do my thinking for me. IMDB? Where are the people who rush in to say how uncredible they are now?

Show me anywhere the studio is billing this as a remake and I'll gladly agree.


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So what Scorsese, the director of the film says obviously doesn't matter.

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So what Scorsese, the director of the film says obviously doesn't matter.


I don't hear Scorcese, I see a quote that you posted. They aren't exactly the same thing.


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Fact: Warner Bros buy the rights to remake Infernal Affairs from Media Asia Films.

Fact: Warner Bros hire William Monahan to adapt the original screenplay of Infernal Affairs.

Fact: Warner Bros hire Martin Scorcese to film Monohan's adapted screenplay of Infernal Affairs - it's later renamed The Departed.

Fact: Media Asia Films retain executive producer credit on The Departed - because they hold the rights to the film it's remaking, namely Infernal Affairs.

Fact: The working title was, in fact, Infernal Affairs.


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IMDB doesn't count. Just ask all those silent people who remind me everytime I bring it up. :biggrin:

I'm sure if the studio is billing this as a remake, you guys will be able to find it quickly enough. If you can't, they must not be, and that would mean that they are treating it like it's it's own, not a remake. King Kong was always treated as a remake, even deciding to pay homage to it by basing it in 1933.


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Again, I'll repeat incase any bipolar retards didn't get it the first time. Show me anywhere this film is being treated as a remake by the studio, director, anybody. I think I've covered my opinion on how much weight I give a critic. They don't do my thinking for me. IMDB? Where are the people who rush in to say how uncredible they are now?

Show me anywhere the studio is billing this as a remake and I'll gladly agree.


Maverikk, that article in Time is a feature article to help publicity for the film. If the studio didn't want to be associated witt Internal Affiars, they would've made sure they didn't mention it. BUT THEY DID.

Does that mean NOTHING?

I really don't think I'm the retard here.


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This argument is FUCKING rediculous.

Man, the lengths one man will go. Give it up, stfu, and get on with a worthwhile debate.

And who cares anyway??????

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So what Scorsese, the director of the film says obviously doesn't matter.


I don't hear Scorcese, I see a quote that you posted. They aren't exactly the same thing.


http://www.comingsoon.net/news/movienews.php?id=16695

Quote lifted from there.

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