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Killuminati510 wrote:
I had no idea it was opening in bascially every other territory before the states either, wow, thats incredibly odd.


It shows how last minute the change must've been if the domestic and overseas distributor (UIP) couldn't agree on a set date. I mean, look at this: http://imdb.com/title/tt0206634/releaseinfo That's absolutely ridiculous. Boy I sure hope a DVD quality version shows up soon, I'm going to be extremely tempted to just download it a few months early.


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What I like about what Im hearing about The Departed so far....

Its being treated like a regular film NOT looking for oscars - but just a kick ass film that could very well steal awards from oscar winner wanna-be's - and Im all for that. Im sick of studios flooding the last couple of months of the year with "quality" films just to get awards buzz - i'd rather a film be released that is meant to entertain and just happen to be damn good quality!


Just because Warner Bros. isn't giving this the Oscar marketing approach Miramax created doesn't mean to me that it's going to be forgotten about come Oscar season.


That's what I mean - they arent playing the Miramax style oscar game - which is refreshing and could actually help it during awards time.


Exactimundo. I've thought about it a lot tonight, and it's for just that reason that I think Universal's decision to move Children of Men to December (especially knowing now that it'll be released early fall everywhere else) might be one of the stupidest decisions of the 2006 Oscar race to date.


Yeah really its a shit move. Children of Men and The Departed are types of films that are most likely to top our (movie fans) lists of favourite and/or best films and hence have good box office potential. When a good film becomes a success - its builds a momentum all on its own which it can take into awards season. No need for artificial manouvering by a studio.

Damn i dont even think it opens this year here and Departed is out Dec 26th :disgust:

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Devin from Chud says...... " Fucking fantastic movie "

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It doesnt seem like an academy award type picture to me. The only major nomination I see is for best director


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Considering the only Scorsese movies that have been nominated had Miramax behind them or were considered modern-day masterpieces at the time, I don't see how this can be a hit with the academy outside of Jack.


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"The Departed, which I have seen, will be the year's best American film as of it's October 6th release date," reader David Erlich has proclaimed. "It is, without a doubt, the most riveting work that any of the players -- Matt Damon, Leonardo DiCaprio, Jack Nicholson -- have been involved with in ages. That being said, the film has no chance of Oscar recognition for Best Picture, if only because of the last act."


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It doesnt seem like an academy award type picture to me. The only major nomination I see is for best director


As much as I love ya roid, this has to be my very least favorite argument ever in regards to the Oscar race. "It doesn't feel like it's the type of film that will win Best Picture." Because every year the nominees and winners are exactly how we expect them to go down? Films people don't see coming get nominated or even win all the time, I don't feel like I need to use examples here.


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EDouglas' review is pretty reliable; he writes "The Weekend Warrior" column for comingsoon.net.


His review for "The Departed"

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The movie was very entertaining, but the best parts were taken quite literally from the HK original. Scorsese's lucky in that so few people saw or know about it. The movie won't get nominated for Best Picture, because I don't think it will appeal to the Academy the way that The Aviator did.


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"The Departed, which I have seen, will be the year's best American film as of it's October 6th release date," reader David Erlich has proclaimed. "It is, without a doubt, the most riveting work that any of the players -- Matt Damon, Leonardo DiCaprio, Jack Nicholson -- have been involved with in ages. That being said, the film has no chance of Oscar recognition for Best Picture, if only because of the last act."


the third act can make or break a film.


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"The Departed, which I have seen, will be the year's best American film as of it's October 6th release date," reader David Erlich has proclaimed. "It is, without a doubt, the most riveting work that any of the players -- Matt Damon, Leonardo DiCaprio, Jack Nicholson -- have been involved with in ages. That being said, the film has no chance of Oscar recognition for Best Picture, if only because of the last act."


the third act can make or break a film.


Too bad they chose to mess with a perfect ending from the original.


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Read into that a little bit more, they didn't say the third act was bad as much as they said it's really heavy. I don't know, how many reviews do we need to say "It's an amazing movie but it won't get a Best Picture nomination?" until it'll be considered a big contender?


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A reporter from a Hong Kong newspaper (Apple Daily) also attended to the New York press screening .
The reporter said that he (or she?) was very disappointed with THE DEPARTED. He said that the story of THE DEPARTED was very similar to INFERNAL AFFAIRS, but THE DEPARTED lost the "dark" feeling of INFERNAL AFFAIRS.

The reporter also wrote about about audience's reaction in the press screening. Many Asian press, who had already seen INFERNAL AFFAIRS, didn't love THE DEPARTED as much as what Western press did.


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Poland enjoyed the film, but again not a movie Oscars would really embrace and again being compared with Casino rather then one of his masterpieces. He does think they WB should push acting and directing though.

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I'm not going to say much about The Departed right now, exceot to say that Scorsese is trying a lot of new stuff, it is perhaps the funniest cop movie ever, and once he gets out of the too-long first act, this is Scorsese's best work since Casino. In many ways, it is better than Casino, but really, I want to look again before writing much more.

DiCaprio makes his next step from The Aviator. Damon continues to ascend. Nicholson is terrifc, though not chewing as much scenery as you might expect, considering how broad Bill Monahan's brilliant scipt is. And smaller roles by Wahlberg, Winstone, Sheen, and especially home run pinch hitter Alec Baldwin are something special to behold.

This might be a truly great movie. (A 15 mimnute trim of the first act would help.) And while, in "Old Scorsese" tradition, this is an unlikely Oscar Best Picture player, you never know. I would be chasing acting, writing, directing, and craft nods in a big way if I was WB.

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Looks like Alec Baldwin will have a great year, hopefully he can pull a supporting actor for something.

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Poland enjoyed the film, but again not a movie Oscars would really embrace and again being compared with Casino rather then one of his masterpieces. He does think they WB should push acting and directing though.

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I'm not going to say much about The Departed right now, exceot to say that Scorsese is trying a lot of new stuff, it is perhaps the funniest cop movie ever, and once he gets out of the too-long first act, this is Scorsese's best work since Casino. In many ways, it is better than Casino, but really, I want to look again before writing much more.

DiCaprio makes his next step from The Aviator. Damon continues to ascend. Nicholson is terrifc, though not chewing as much scenery as you might expect, considering how broad Bill Monahan's brilliant scipt is. And smaller roles by Wahlberg, Winstone, Sheen, and especially home run pinch hitter Alec Baldwin are something special to behold.

This might be a truly great movie. (A 15 mimnute trim of the first act would help.) And while, in "Old Scorsese" tradition, this is an unlikely Oscar Best Picture player, you never know. I would be chasing acting, writing, directing, and craft nods in a big way if I was WB.

http://www.mcnblogs.com/thehotblog/

Looks like Alec Baldwin will have a great year, hopefully he can pull a supporting actor for something.




I think that Poland may not had seen INFERNAL AFFAIRS....


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I have said it before and I'll say it again. Those who have not seen the original will most likely embrace the remake much more than those who did.

However it sounds like the film will end up with 80+% at RT.

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<b> Scorsese's 'Departed' Rocks</b>

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<i>By Roger Friedman</i>


Jack Nicholson in a Martin Scorsese film? With Matt Damon, Leonardo DiCaprio, Alec Baldwin and Mark Wahlberg in the cast as well? Are you kidding?

No, I am not.

"The Departed," which I saw on Friday night, is a rocking comedy-of-a-gangster-shoot-out stuffed with great performances both big and small by all these guys, and Scorsese — who returns to his favorite genre — is the puppeteer pulling the strings.

Actually, he's not pulling all the strings. Nicholson is completely "out there" and over the edge in a performance that will either win him kudos or tomatoes (I vote for the former) as a psychopathic killer who has no personal boundaries and works, shall we say, outside the margins of even recognized behavior for organized crime.

In one scene, Nicholson pulls out a sex toy and surprises Damon in a movie theater. In another, he wears sunglasses all the way through despite, I'm told, Scorsese's wishes that he didn't.

But you can see that Nicholson took to his work with relish, and — as he did with The Joker in "Batman" — he makes sure no one forgets him.

Still, "The Departed" is Scorsese's film. From the first strains of The Rolling Stones' "Gimme Shelter," he's telling us we are back in the land of "Goodfellas" after his last two films, best picture nominees "Gangs of New York" and "The Aviator."

And while "Gangs" had its share of crazy, unpredictable, graphic violence, really nothing prepares you for the bloodletting in "The Departed." It's at once maniacal and casual, and would make Tony Soprano and his gang run for the hills.

"The Departed" constitutes a couple of ideas mashed together. It's partly an American remake of the Hong Kong classic "Infernal Affairs." Then again, the story has been moved to Boston and turned into the saga of Whitey Bulger, an FBI informant whose gang runs wild while the feds clean up the mafia.

Nicholson is the Bulger character (he's named here for New York mobster Frank Costello). Damon is the bad cop who's in Costello's pocket; DiCaprio is the police mole in Costello's gang, sent in by Martin Sheen and an unusually good Wahlberg.

In many ways, the story set up in "The Departed" is reminiscent of Michael Mann's "Heat" as DiCaprio and Damon spend most of the movie as each other's doppelgangers. Their paths only meet toward the end, when the plot is clearly laid out and resolution for every one of these corrupted characters is close at hand.

There are some good little performances, too, from Alec Baldwin (in an especially funny improvised scene), Anthony Anderson and newcomer (after a decade of work) Vera Farmiga as the girl caught between Damon and DiCaprio.

There are a lot of great things about "The Departed," but I would say the greatest might be Thelma Schoonmaker's effortless editing. She finally won an Oscar last year for "The Aviator," but I think what she has done here, especially in the first act, is amazing.

She and Scorsese really are a team. Scorsese and cinematographer Michael Ballhaus get the performances and the spectacular shots. Then Schoonmaker adds the timing and pace. In "The Departed," she's got scenes within scenes, and the action moving back and forth almost at the same time, and it all works. You might even call this film "The Deceptive" because the work is so good.

Scorsese remains our greatest director, surpassed by no one. He is also part of a dying breed of grand auteurs that includes Robert Altman, Woody Allen, Clint Eastwood, Sidney Lumet, Steven Spielberg and Francis Ford Coppola. The rest of them now have one thing Scorsese doesn't: an Oscar.

This is a sore point for the Academy. If Scorsese isn't nominated for one this year, I think it's time he got a Lifetime Achievement Award. <b>"The Departed" is so far above what we see in theaters these days. But standards are so low now, I'm just worried new audiences won't appreciate it.</b>


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The Departed is on fire. :)

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One of the most exciting things about going to the movies--and being a film critic--is the discovery of new talents. In 1993, I experienced such sense of discovery twice, when Leonardo DiCaprio gave two riveting performances: As Robert De Niro's abused stepson in "This Boy's Life," and as Johnny Depp's mentally handicapped brother in "What's Eating Gilbert Grape."

DiCaprio held his own against De Niro and Depp--no mean feat--with intensely demanding roles in films about dysfunctional families and parental abuse. In both, DiCaprio played a confused teenager, a misfit who doesn't know who he is. At the age of 18, DiCaprio received a supporting Oscar nomination for "What's Eating Gilbert Grape," immdiately estbalishing himself as a major talent to watch.

This season, perhaps even more impressively, DiCaprio holds his own in "The Departed," Scorsese's best film since "GoodFellas," against such heavyweights as Jack Nicholson, Matt Damon, and Martin Sheen. With justice and luck, "The Departed" should garner DiCaprio (and Scorsese) Oscar nominations.

I had reservations about Scorsese's previous Oscar-nominated films, "Gangs of New York" (2002) and "The Aviator" (2004), both staring DiCaprio. The latter, a glitzy, old-fashioned biopic of Howard Hughes, garnered DiCaprio his first Best Actor nomination for playing the eccentric mogul-recluse.

If DiCaprio will be recognized by the Academy for "The Departed," it will be his third nomination. What's remarkable about his work in this Boston-set gangster saga, is that it's the first time that DiCaprio looks and behaves like a young man. Though he is 32, it took him a long time to mature on screeen, physically and emotionally; DiCaprio's boyishness was always integral to his charisma and major element of his appeal to girls and young women. Before I discuss DiCaprio's achievement in "The Departed," I'd like to place his career in context.

Double Score in 1995

In 1995, DiCaprio (or Leo, as he's known in the industry) again appeared in multiple features, first starring as Romeo (opposite Claire Danes as Juliet) in Baz Luhrmann's updated avant-garde version, "William Shakespeare's Romeo + Juliet." He then joined an all-star cast, headed by Meryl Streep, Diane Keaton, and De Niro, in the family melodrama "Marvin's Room," as Streep's alientaed son. But the film belonged to the two femmes, and indeed Keaton was Oscar-nominated.

Titanic

The film that put DiCaprio on the map and made him an international household was the disaster-romance epic "Titanic," which swept the 1997 Oscars and shattered box-office records; it became the first picture in history to gross over $1 million. In a much-publicized scandal, "Titanic" garnered 11 nominations, including two acting nods (Kate Winslet and Gloria Stuart, for playing the same role at different ages), but denied DiCaprio's recognition. The snub sent shock waves in the industry, since consesnus held that it was DiCaprio's role that held the episodic, tone-shifting picture together.

The late 1990s were not particularly beneficial for DiCaprio, but then in 2002, the versatile actor was seen in two radically different roles. In Scorsese's "Gangs of New York," DiCaprio plays the pivotal role of Amsterdam Vallon, and in Spielberg's "Catch Me If You Can," he's cast as Frank William Abagnale, the con man who worked as a doctor, lawyer, and co-pilot before his twenty-firth birthday.

Gangs of New York: Scorsese Chapter I

DiCaprio said that his Amsterdam was influenced by a handwritten journal that described the life of a man who spent his youth in a juvenile prison called "house of reform." The journal conveyed such extreme desperation, that it became the back-story for Amsterdam's obsession with avenging the cold-blooded murder of his father. He saw the film as imbued with Freudian psychology: "To rid himself of his father's ghost, Amsterdam learns the hard way the skills necessary to challenge the villain, Bill the Butcher (Daniel Day-Lewis), on his own level."

DiCaprio began preparing for the role one year before shooting began, with a regime that included weight training, knife-throwing, and other fighting methods. Having always wanted to work with Scorsese, he recalled: "It was great to collaborate with a director whose passion for accuracy in every detail of the period resonates through the work. I was so determined to do this project with Scorsese that I actually changed agencies when I was 17 in order to be in closer contact, at CAA."

The actual work became the most rewarding for him to date, as he recalled: "Despite our initial operatic Italian arguments about Amsterdam, I will never forget our meetings. I was working with a true visionary who can masterfully assemble all the hidden mechanisms that make a movie operate with seamless reality and dramatic force."

Nonetheless, "Gangs of New York" opened to mixed reviews and moderate commercial success. Furthermore, most critics, even those who didn't like the movie, singled out not DiCaprio but Daniel Day-Lewis' astounding work, for which he received another Oscar nomination, again leaving DiCaprio in the cold.

The Aviator: Scorsese Chapter II

"The Aviator," the entertaining biopicture of Howard Hughes, is a uniquely American saga. Marked by scope rather than depth, the old-fashioned film covers two crucial decades in American history. DiCaprio plays one of twentieth century’s most compelling figures, influential innovator, savvy industrialist, glamorous film producer, American risk-taker, and paranoid who ends as a recluse.

Framed between two milestones in Hughes’ life, the story opens with the making of “Hell’s Angels” in the late 1920s, and it culminates with TWA’s emerging as international airline in the late 1940s. Between these two junctures, DiCaprio explores the torment and tumult of Hughes’ character, providing a glimpse into his dreams and demons.

The movie also allows DiCaprio to explore Hughes' emotional life, specifically his love affairs with two of Hollywood’s most famous stars: the elegant Yankee-bred Katharine Hepburn (Cate Blanchett) and the luminous sex symbol Ava Gardner (Kate Beckinsale). Hughes’ various medical maladies are detailed: the childhood loss of hearing that made him nearly deaf, the undiagnosed obsessive-compulsive disorder that, combined with germ phobia, provoked bizarre behavior, eventually leading to borderline madness.

Portraying a larger-than-life man in a larger-than-life manner, DiCaprio mythologizes Hughes as a legendary figure with aura of excitement, mystery, glamour, and eccentricity. It's a role made for order for Oscars, and the Academy dutifully responded with an Oscar nomination, but not the award; the winner was Adrien Brody for "The Pianist."

As a moviegoer, DiCaprio enjoys watching movies about sensational rogues, like Paul Newman and Robert Redford in "Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid" and "The Sting." For him, these and other American classics like "One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest," focus on "individuals who work on the wrong side of the law and are against society, yet you root for them because they're so incredibly charismatic."

In most of his films, DiCaprio has tried "not to be too perfect," specializing in playing heroes that are seldom perfect but always human and charming.

Scorsese's Departed: Third Time's Charm?

The gritty crime drama is set in South Boston, where the Massachusetts State police Department is waging an all-out war to take down the city's organized crime ring by ending the reign of powerful mob boss Frank Costello (Jack Nicholson) from the inside. The story centers on two highly complex, morally ambiguous cops: Colin Sullivan (Matt Damon) and Billy Costigan.

DiCaprio plays Billy Costigan as a street-smart tough, who suffers from a violent temper that has cost him his badge and eventually lands him back on the streets of South Boston, where he is recruited into Costello's ranks. Initially a promising cadet at the Police Academy, Billy is selected for a dangerous undercover assignment before he has even had a chance to pin on a badge.

The role represents more than an opportunity to work for the third time with Scorsese: "I read the scrip and immediately wanted to be part of it. I just couldn't put it down. I said 'yes' without any deliberation or hesitation. It was an intense story with multi-faceted and compelling characters."

For DiCaprio, his character's motivation to become a police officer is rooted in his desire to escape his upbringing: "Billy comes from an underworld background and has all the chips stacked against him. He joins the police because he has no other options, and wants to do things differently than his family did."

Though Billy tries to redeem himself and not just be a product of his environment, he ends up deep in a situation that's dangerous and deceitful: "There are moments when he could so easily be caught--all the arrows are pointing in his direction as the 'rat,' and everything begins to cave in around him."

Matt Damon and DiCaprio's characters are two sides of the same coin; they even come from the same neighborhood. Damon's Colin chooses one path and Billy chooses another, but their lives are fatefully intertwined in ways they themselves cannot understand, turning the film into a chess game of information and misinformation.

DiCaprio holds his own against Jack Nicholson, in the same way that he held his own against De Niro in "This Boy's Life." Says DiCaprio: Jack is a force of nature who can be very unpredictable when he's on camera, so you have to learn to roll with the punches. There were moments during filming that I didn't know what was going to happen next. I was never sure which side of Costello Jack was going to be playing on that particular day. That can be very exciting for an actor because it really keeps you on your toes all the time."

To play a native Bostonian, DiCaprio immersed himself in the local culture, taking long walks around Boston, getting a feel for the people. He was then introduced to a man he hung out with, who took him down to the old neighborhoods and helped him with the accent, which helped him get the character right.

Spielberg, who has worked with Hollywood's best actors (Liam Neeson, Tom Hanks, Harrison Ford, says he has always been "a huge fan of Leo. He's a very inventive actor with a lot of ideas, but he's also his own best critic. There were times I'd accept a certain take, and Leo would say, 'No, no. I think there's something I haven't found yet. Let me do it again.' And he would invariably come up with something that was just brilliant."

But perhaps the final word on DiCaprio belongs to his frequent and favorite director, Scorsese, who says: "I knew Leo would convey the conflict of a young man who has gotten himself into a bad situation, and then wonders what the hell he is doing there. You can see it in his face, in his eyes. That's one reason I like working with Leo. He knows how to express emotional impact without saying a word. It just emanates from him. It's quite extraordinary to watch."

It remains to be seen whether the Academy would acknowledge DiCaprio (and Scorsese) with Oscar nominations, and perhaps the award itself. Stay tuned.


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Unless this dissapoints at the box office, I'm prepared to say that The Departed is a lock for a Best Picture nomination.


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Unless this dissapoints at the box office, I'm prepared to say that The Departed is a lock for a Best Picture nomination.


I have no idea why people were counting it out in the first place. Sometimes I really scratch my head over *why* these people at these various sites are considered to be people who know what they're talking about.


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I never counted it out (though a few people laughed at me for including it *cough* Kill *cough*). While not a lock, it is certainly among the Top 8 contenders for the nom now or so.

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It's stock went way up now that it's getting better reviews and some wannabe oscar contenders either fell flat on their back or just arent getting the rave reviews everyone expected them to get.

BUT!!!! It still doesnt sound like a film catered to the Oscars, sounds like it'll be great, but even some of the great reviews mention how even they dont think it's chances are that hot given the type of film it is and when you read the description they give on the film it just doesnt scream out that it's something the Oscars would embrace. What does raise it's chances is the movies cast and director, you made the same film with small time actors and director it absolutely wouldnt be at the Oscars.

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I included The Departed as an obligatory nominee. Now it seems it could be a player.


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It's stock went way up now that it's getting better reviews and some wannabe oscar contenders either fell flat on their back or just arent getting the rave reviews everyone expected them to get.

BUT!!!! It still doesnt sound like a film catered to the Oscars, sounds like it'll be great, but even some of the great reviews mention how even they dont think it's chances are that hot given the type of film it is and when you read the description they give on the film it just doesnt scream out that it's something the Oscars would embrace. What does raise it's chances is the movies cast and director, you made the same film with small time actors and director it absolutely wouldnt be at the Oscars.


Just because the film won't be sucking voters dicks to get votes like a Hollywood biopic doesn't mean it's not something that they'd embrace. It sounds very violent, but that's nothing new to the Academy. I really don't see what you think is so shocking/unmarketable about The Departed that would make it turn off voters.


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Thats right. There should be no such things as "films catered for Oscar". Films should be made to be a.) quality and/or b.) make money. Oscar should reward the best of these.

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