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Joker's Thug #3
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xiayun wrote: If a horror film can be as good as Silence of the Lambs, I don't think Oscar would have problem honoring it. Academy certainly has bias, but I don't fee it is not just toward comedy or "lightweight" stuff. Otherwise, Chicago wouldn't have won over The Pianist, or SiL over SPR. Except for American Beauty, they haven't liked too dark of stuff either. Fim noirs like Pulp Fiction and LA Confidential lost to more sweeping/uplifting ones, while many others like Memento and Fight Club were pretty much completely ignored. IMDb Top 100 are filled with films which were passed over at Oscar, but not many of them are comedies, so I think if we just discuss about bias against comedy, it exists among general public as well. People tend not to give it as high of a score, even if it's equally good. Same for horror and musicals. I don't necessarily see particular bias against them from the academy comparing to the rest of us. Academy's real bias is against films that don't fit the normal mold, whether it's quirky comedy like Eternal Sunshine or ones from Tarantino or just plain good blockbusters like Batman Begins and Spider-Man, where they can be easily embraced by the rest of us. If you compare academy and WOKJ's awards the past couple of years, that's where the difference shows up, not as if we are nominating sci-fi or horror movies for the main categories ourselves. Well put
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xiayun
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For 2003, I could see City of God being really close. The Passion is there, and with the way academy filters out toward the final five, I expect it to have stayed longer than Cold Mountain, which could have been voted No. 5 on a lot of ballots, but without a No. 1 vote, it's automatically out the first go-through.
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Dr. Lecter
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Joined: Sat Oct 16, 2004 4:28 pm Posts: 92093 Location: Bonn, Germany
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loyalfromlondon wrote: 2002, Quiet American or Road to Perdition? Far From Heaven perhaps?
1999, if there was a god, Toy Story 2.
Rest seem right.
No, certainly not Toy Story 2. Being John Makovich was up for four Golden Globes, was nominated for a PGA award, nominated for a DGA award, nominated for three SAG awards (including Best Cast) and sweeped criritcs awards...how can it get any closer?
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Fri Aug 25, 2006 10:37 pm |
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Killuminati510 wrote: When I think of oscars I think of movies driven by characters and story, movies that impact you and say something to you.
So I guess the real question is why can't a comic book adaptation or a comedy or a sci-fi film have something to say.
I think Batman Begins said just as much about the dark side of the human psyche and the drive for revenge as say Gladiator. And well, we all know how that ended.
I think we all have a bias (Xiayun pointed to the IMDB 100, a system I know little about). But I think a perfect film about romance can be equal or greater than a perfect film about genocide. And using that rationale, worthy of Best Picture.
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Dr. Lecter
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xiayun wrote: For 2003, I could see City of God being really close. The Passion is there, and with the way academy filters out toward the final five, I expect it to have stayed longer than Cold Mountain, which could have been voted No. 5 on a lot of ballots, but without a No. 1 vote, it's automatically out the first go-through.
Hmmm, I don't know. Cold Mountain was successful ($90 million in the US), thus more widely seen, it was still Miramax, had the acting support behind it and was up for eight Golden Globes and was nominated at PGA. City of God's nom would have been one of the biggest surprises ever in Academy history. Its noms were surprising enough as it stands. I think CoG was more similar to nominations for Billy Elliot and Vera Drake last year (all three writing and directing noms).
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Fri Aug 25, 2006 10:40 pm |
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Dr. Lecter wrote: loyalfromlondon wrote: 2002, Quiet American or Road to Perdition? Far From Heaven perhaps?
1999, if there was a god, Toy Story 2.
Rest seem right. No, certainly not Toy Story 2. Being John Makovich was up for four Golden Globes, was nominated for a PGA award, nominated for a DGA award, nominated for three SAG awards (including Best Cast) and sweeped criritcs awards...how can it get any closer?
Just that if there was ever to have been another animated film nominated for BP, it would have been TS2.
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Fri Aug 25, 2006 10:42 pm |
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Dr. Lecter
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loyalfromlondon wrote: Dr. Lecter wrote: loyalfromlondon wrote: 2002, Quiet American or Road to Perdition? Far From Heaven perhaps?
1999, if there was a god, Toy Story 2.
Rest seem right. No, certainly not Toy Story 2. Being John Makovich was up for four Golden Globes, was nominated for a PGA award, nominated for a DGA award, nominated for three SAG awards (including Best Cast) and sweeped criritcs awards...how can it get any closer? Just that if there was ever to have been another animated film nominated for BP, it would have been TS2.
Hmm, of all recent years, yeah...but I think The Lion King came fairly close as well simply due to its box-office.
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Fri Aug 25, 2006 10:43 pm |
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Dr. Lecter wrote: loyalfromlondon wrote: Dr. Lecter wrote: loyalfromlondon wrote: 2002, Quiet American or Road to Perdition? Far From Heaven perhaps?
1999, if there was a god, Toy Story 2.
Rest seem right. No, certainly not Toy Story 2. Being John Makovich was up for four Golden Globes, was nominated for a PGA award, nominated for a DGA award, nominated for three SAG awards (including Best Cast) and sweeped criritcs awards...how can it get any closer? Just that if there was ever to have been another animated film nominated for BP, it would have been TS2. Hmm, of all recent years, yeah...but I think The Lion King came fairly close as well simply due to its box-office.
Over either Quiz Show or Four Weddings obviously.
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Fri Aug 25, 2006 10:51 pm |
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Dr. Lecter
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loyalfromlondon wrote: Dr. Lecter wrote: loyalfromlondon wrote: Dr. Lecter wrote: loyalfromlondon wrote: 2002, Quiet American or Road to Perdition? Far From Heaven perhaps?
1999, if there was a god, Toy Story 2.
Rest seem right. No, certainly not Toy Story 2. Being John Makovich was up for four Golden Globes, was nominated for a PGA award, nominated for a DGA award, nominated for three SAG awards (including Best Cast) and sweeped criritcs awards...how can it get any closer? Just that if there was ever to have been another animated film nominated for BP, it would have been TS2. Hmm, of all recent years, yeah...but I think The Lion King came fairly close as well simply due to its box-office. Over either Quiz Show or Four Weddings obviously.
Man, what a year it'd have been if they had replaced one of the two with The Lion King and we'd have had The Lion King, Pulp Fiction, Forrest Gump and Shawshank up for BP!
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Fri Aug 25, 2006 10:57 pm |
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andaroo1
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 Re: Oscar Needs A Hug
loyalfromlondon wrote: In a world of constant terrorist threats, raging mother nature, and global conflicts, could there be a better time to show the magical power of a great comedy?
No? I mean, just because things are tough I'm not abandoning my darker musical choices and listening to Mmm Bop. Comedy is a nice distraction, but I don't see the point of burying yourself in the sand and potentially skipping over valuable statements because it's too difficult to look at.
The problem with Comedy is that for it to be effective (like Eternal Sunshine and even Little Miss Sunshine... which is what I'm sure this topic is eluding to...) is that they both somewhat turn to "drama" to to and effect the audience. With different degrees of success of course.
And lets face it, Best Picture usually isn't an BP and only type award. Comedies don't typically have the technical care put into them as most other films do. Again, almost all the exceptions fall into drama. Airplane!'s don't happen too often.
The only comedy that I can think of, straight up comedy, that has deserved some special attention recently is The 40-Year Old Virgin. All of the other psudo comedies (like Sideways) have pretty much been taken care of.
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Sat Aug 26, 2006 3:13 am |
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 Re: Oscar Needs A Hug
andaroo wrote: The problem with Comedy is that for it to be effective (like Eternal Sunshine and even Little Miss Sunshine... which is what I'm sure this topic is eluding to...) is that they both somewhat turn to "drama" to to and effect the audience. With different degrees of success of course.
Along with The Fountain, yes.
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Squee
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I could use a hug myself.

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Neostorm
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Joined: Sat Oct 16, 2004 2:48 pm Posts: 4684 Location: Toronto
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Squee wrote: I could use a hug myself. 
Is your name Oscar?
WOKJ can only have one Oscar, and the statue seems to beat me every year 
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Jonathan
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Joined: Mon Oct 25, 2004 12:07 pm Posts: 14737 Location: The Present (Duh)
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loyalfromlondon wrote: Dr. Lecter wrote: loyalfromlondon wrote: 2002, Quiet American or Road to Perdition? Far From Heaven perhaps?
1999, if there was a god, Toy Story 2.
Rest seem right. No, certainly not Toy Story 2. Being John Makovich was up for four Golden Globes, was nominated for a PGA award, nominated for a DGA award, nominated for three SAG awards (including Best Cast) and sweeped criritcs awards...how can it get any closer? Just that if there was ever to have been another animated film nominated for BP, it would have been TS2.
I think I read somewhere that Chicken Run had so many supporters for BP that the academy finally put in the Animated Film award. I sure that would be the most likely, followed by Lion King and The Incredibles (4 nominations + a PGA nom).
As for the topic at hand, LMS can get in if it gets enough tractions from Critics Awards (Ala Sideways) and big enough B.O. (I'd set $75M as the consideration point). The Fountain would need extraordinary praise and strong B.O. to even be considered.
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Dr. Lecter
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Positive Jon wrote: loyalfromlondon wrote: Dr. Lecter wrote: loyalfromlondon wrote: 2002, Quiet American or Road to Perdition? Far From Heaven perhaps?
1999, if there was a god, Toy Story 2.
Rest seem right. No, certainly not Toy Story 2. Being John Makovich was up for four Golden Globes, was nominated for a PGA award, nominated for a DGA award, nominated for three SAG awards (including Best Cast) and sweeped criritcs awards...how can it get any closer? Just that if there was ever to have been another animated film nominated for BP, it would have been TS2. I think I read somewhere that Chicken Run had so many supporters for BP that the academy finally put in the Animated Film award. I sure that would be the most likely, followed by Lion King and The Incredibles (4 nominations + a PGA nom).
Hmm, unlike Toy Story 2 and The Lion King, though, Chicken Run didn't win the Golden Globe as Best Comey/Musical and it didn't have the extraordinary box-office to back up its chances.
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Jonathan
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Dr. Lecter wrote: Positive Jon wrote: loyalfromlondon wrote: Dr. Lecter wrote: loyalfromlondon wrote: 2002, Quiet American or Road to Perdition? Far From Heaven perhaps?
1999, if there was a god, Toy Story 2.
Rest seem right. No, certainly not Toy Story 2. Being John Makovich was up for four Golden Globes, was nominated for a PGA award, nominated for a DGA award, nominated for three SAG awards (including Best Cast) and sweeped criritcs awards...how can it get any closer? Just that if there was ever to have been another animated film nominated for BP, it would have been TS2. I think I read somewhere that Chicken Run had so many supporters for BP that the academy finally put in the Animated Film award. I sure that would be the most likely, followed by Lion King and The Incredibles (4 nominations + a PGA nom). Hmm, unlike Toy Story 2 and The Lion King, though, Chicken Run didn't win the Golden Globe as Best Comey/Musical and it didn't have the extraordinary box-office to back up its chances.
It did, however, have the best reviews of the year, and its B.O. performance was great, taking into consideration that Aardman is hardly the draw of '90s Disney and Pixar (It did have a 6.1 multiplier). Also, it was beaten in the catagory by Almost Famous, a movie that was considered a near-lock for Best Picture.
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Maverikk
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I definitely think Oscars should honor any genre if it's good enough. Spider-Man II was far more deserving of a nomination than Finding Neverland, which had an awful box office and reviews that weren't as strong, but it wasn't even considered because the pretentious academy is "above such things".
Meet the Parents was one of the 5 top films of it's year, but an R rated gut busting comedy isn't going to get any love from Oscar.
They need to remove the stick that is collectively up their asses and learn the most important thing about movies, and that's that they are entertainment. There is absolutely nothing that says entertainment is for the mindless drones. Nobody is expecting a nomination just for the sake of nominating something from every genre, but when a special case comes along, yes, it should be taken seriously, not just brushed aside as mindless entertainment with no substance. And costumes are costumes, whether it's a cape and tights or some period piece English setting with wigs and all the outrageous stuff they wear. I'd rather run around in the tights.
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Dr. Lecter
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Maverikk wrote: I definitely think Oscars should honor any genre if it's good enough. Spider-Man II was far more deserving of a nomination than Finding Neverland, which had an awful box office and reviews that weren't as strong, but it wasn't even considered because the pretentious academy is "above such things".
Meet the Parents was one of the 5 top films of it's year, but an R rated gut busting comedy isn't going to get any love from Oscar.
R-rated?
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Maverikk
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Dr. Lecter wrote: Maverikk wrote: I definitely think Oscars should honor any genre if it's good enough. Spider-Man II was far more deserving of a nomination than Finding Neverland, which had an awful box office and reviews that weren't as strong, but it wasn't even considered because the pretentious academy is "above such things".
Meet the Parents was one of the 5 top films of it's year, but an R rated gut busting comedy isn't going to get any love from Oscar.
R-rated?
Wasn't it? I couldn't remember what the actual rating was, but I thought it had a few F words. PG-13, R rating, whatever, the point remains, the academy isn't going to even consider something like that, which they, no doubt, would consider to be "dumb" humor, as opposed to "smart" humor, a la Sideways or Annie Hall.
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Dr. Lecter
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Maverikk wrote: Dr. Lecter wrote: Maverikk wrote: I definitely think Oscars should honor any genre if it's good enough. Spider-Man II was far more deserving of a nomination than Finding Neverland, which had an awful box office and reviews that weren't as strong, but it wasn't even considered because the pretentious academy is "above such things".
Meet the Parents was one of the 5 top films of it's year, but an R rated gut busting comedy isn't going to get any love from Oscar.
R-rated? Wasn't it? I couldn't remember what the actual rating was, but I thought it had a few F words. PG-13, R rating, whatever, the point remains, the academy isn't going to even consider something like that, which they, no doubt, would consider to be "dumb" humor, as opposed to "smart" humor, a la Sideways or Annie Hall.
Well, fact aside that it was PG-13 (not that it matters, true that), it was not that good either  There have been far better mainstream comedies in recent years (like Wedding Crashers or Kiss Kiss Bang Bang)
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Shack
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This is a great thread by the way. 
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Mon Aug 28, 2006 1:47 am |
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I see parallels between Peter Jackson's follow up to the LOTR trilogy, King Kong, and Cameron's follow up to Titanic, Avatar. I only hope Avatar fares better.
But if anyone can set the world on fire, while infusing heart into a sci-fi drama, it's Cameron.
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Groucho
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Positive Jon wrote: Dr. Lecter wrote: Positive Jon wrote: loyalfromlondon wrote: Dr. Lecter wrote: loyalfromlondon wrote: 2002, Quiet American or Road to Perdition? Far From Heaven perhaps?
1999, if there was a god, Toy Story 2.
Rest seem right. No, certainly not Toy Story 2. Being John Makovich was up for four Golden Globes, was nominated for a PGA award, nominated for a DGA award, nominated for three SAG awards (including Best Cast) and sweeped criritcs awards...how can it get any closer? Just that if there was ever to have been another animated film nominated for BP, it would have been TS2. I think I read somewhere that Chicken Run had so many supporters for BP that the academy finally put in the Animated Film award. I sure that would be the most likely, followed by Lion King and The Incredibles (4 nominations + a PGA nom). Hmm, unlike Toy Story 2 and The Lion King, though, Chicken Run didn't win the Golden Globe as Best Comey/Musical and it didn't have the extraordinary box-office to back up its chances. It did, however, have the best reviews of the year, and its B.O. performance was great, taking into consideration that Aardman is hardly the draw of '90s Disney and Pixar (It did have a 6.1 multiplier). Also, it was beaten in the catagory by Almost Famous, a movie that was considered a near-lock for Best Picture.
Chicken Run showed the inequities of the system, really. Aardman had won every year they had entered a short animated film; now they did a long one and were not eligible. Plus the fact was that finally, there were enough animated films being released each year to make the animated feature category doable. There were periods in the past when maybe only 2 or 3 were even released a year, and that really doesn't deserve its own category.
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FILMO
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hmmm how shall I say.....?????ähhhhh
Your ähhh "taste" its the one of "lower" people loyal....ähhhhhh...there is some style and points a movie as to have to make it worth for the Elite...and ähhhhh you loyal are obviously not part of the Elite otherwise you would get it.......but thats not bad....you can also have a nice life with Mickey Mouse and Donald and Eddie Murphy.....its ok.
And to be serious this is an original text blog from award judges before voting for ROTK
1:"ahhhh how vulgar this movie is...ähhhhh...it hurts my inner feelings to give a vote for"
2:" but the plebs love it...for god sake...they will burn us down like they did Rome if we dont give a vote to ROTK
1:"but....what will future generations think about us...We are the elite of our current generation.....we cant"
2:"But if you die today your prosperous genes will never lead to future generations and mankind will forever be like barbarians"
1:" So true...so true...then I give my vote for ROTK and so I save the future of mankind"
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