Big Brother Allstars Spoiler Thread: Feeds, Etc.
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Mister Ecks
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My head is spinning from all this.
I'm glad they re-did the HOH. I assume if Howie was the only one complaining, they'd be leaving it as is. Glad that others spoke up (although James is probably wishing he said nothing).
Why is anyone surprised Janelle is going after Erika? She clearly said in her goodbye video to Kaysar, that she would work with Howie and James to rid the house of the float herd. Seeing as how she probably still likes Marcellas, and because Chilltown isn't in the float herd, Erika is the obvious choice over, say, Chicken George.
I am not saying that it's a smart move. I'm just explaining why she's doing it.
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Fri Aug 11, 2006 3:22 pm |
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Cotton
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I dunno, CT seems to be floating a lot more than Erika or Danielle. In fact, they made a pact with Dani and James and told them they'd be voting Janelle out right after they made a deal with her while she was HOH. If you ask me, they're the floatiest bunch of floaters in the house! 
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Fri Aug 11, 2006 3:31 pm |
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MovieGeek
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Marcellas is soo annoying. He needs to go! I think Chilltown should tell Janelle about James sooner or later so she will focus on gerring rid of James when the "float herd" leaves.
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Fri Aug 11, 2006 3:36 pm |
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Mister Ecks
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I was reading some stuff from last night/early this morning. Sounds like Will has cried wolf too many times. He basically told Janelle that James isn't with them, and why in hell would she listen to Will? Obviously, she listened to him enough about not putting him up, but I guess she's not listening now.
Oh well.
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Fri Aug 11, 2006 3:39 pm |
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Cotton
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Hmmm...interesting. ^
Did she say she was going to put Will up?
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Fri Aug 11, 2006 3:46 pm |
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I felt bad for Kaysar when he found out about James. Stupid James.
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Fri Aug 11, 2006 3:59 pm |
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Mister Ecks
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Cotton wrote: Hmmm...interesting. ^
Did she say she was going to put Will up?
No, I read the plan is Danielle and Erika, which is half right. Danielle and James would be the obvious choice, but when you have just one other ally in the house against 7 others, I can understand why Janelle is hoping James is still with the Sovs.
Favs list revised:
9. James - Lost any respect I had when he ranted on about Janelle not putting up CT, when he didn't even target CT during his HOH. I don't care what they told him to do, he should have done what was right for everyone, and done more to convince them. His fault.
8. Marcellas - Sick of his crap. At least when he was loafing, he was loafing silently. Now, all the hate spewing from his mouth is just sad. He turns on people too quickly. Ask Amy about that.
7. Erika - Non-Existant Player continues to skate through... for now.
6. Danielle - Dumb move going against her own alliance and not putting up Marcellas, no matter how smart it was. BB3 Danielle is nowhere to be found.
5. Mike - Who'da thunk it? As long as he sticks to Will, he's fine. Once he goes solo and obnoxious, he's hateable. Luckily, from what I've seen lately, he isn't too annoying. And I still love the CT DRs.
4. Chicken George - Playing a game, while not playing a game? Floater Extraordinaire. I just find him so damn likeable.
3. Will - The All-Star Dr. Will Game has went strong for weeks. Unfortunately, a week devoted to "Floaters Hate Janelle" and "James Turns on The Sovs" has left Will with little to do, which puts him down a notch.
2. Janelle - Oh Janey!
1. Howie - Oh Howie!
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Fri Aug 11, 2006 4:08 pm |
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Mister Ecks
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MovieGeek wrote: I felt bad for Kaysar when he found out about James. Stupid James.
I don't understand why they did that to Kaysar. The guy just got evicted. Does he really need to know that James is the reason he's gone, minutes after his eviction?
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Fri Aug 11, 2006 4:09 pm |
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Mr. X wrote: Cotton wrote: Hmmm...interesting. ^
Did she say she was going to put Will up? No, I read the plan is Danielle and Erika, which is half right. Danielle and James would be the obvious choice, but when you have just one other ally in the house against 7 others, I can understand why Janelle is hoping James is still with the Sovs. Favs list revised: 9. James - Lost any respect I had when he ranted on about Janelle not putting up CT, when he didn't even target CT during his HOH. I don't care what they told him to do, he should have done what was right for everyone, and done more to convince them. His fault. 8. Marcellas - Sick of his crap. At least when he was loafing, he was loafing silently. Now, all the hate spewing from his mouth is just sad. He turns on people too quickly. Ask Amy about that. 7. Erika - Non-Existant Player continues to skate through... for now. 6. Danielle - Dumb move going against her own alliance and not putting up Marcellas, no matter how smart it was. BB3 Danielle is nowhere to be found. 5. Mike - Who'da thunk it? As long as he sticks to Will, he's fine. Once he goes solo and obnoxious, he's hateable. Luckily, from what I've seen lately, he isn't too annoying. And I still love the CT DRs. 4. Chicken George - Playing a game, while not playing a game? Floater Extraordinaire. I just find him so damn likeable. 3. Will - The All-Star Dr. Will Game has went strong for weeks. Unfortunately, a week devoted to "Floaters Hate Janelle" and "James Turns on The Sovs" has left Will with little to do, which puts him down a notch. 2. Janelle - Oh Janey! 1. Howie - Oh Howie!
That's exactly how my list goes! except Danielle is switched with Ericka.
And yeah It was kinda dumb for Julie to say that to Kaysar. When all the other people were evicted she didnt say anything like, "they think you're a bitch." It was just mean.
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Fri Aug 11, 2006 4:22 pm |
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MikeQ.
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I think Janelle is being really smart in terms of getting Danielle out (as much as I love Danielle, I'm speaking from Janelle's point of view specifically). Putting Erika up there beside Danielle is the best chance Janelle has to get rid of Danielle. For one, Howie will vote to evict Danielle because that is what Janelle wants. George already promised Erika that he had her back and would save her if she was in trouble. And I think that Marcellas would take this opportunity to try and evict Danielle out of the house. Marcellas just sucks up to the HOH each week, and I'm sure he still has that underlying desire to beat Danielle in the game and get farther than her. Plus, Marcellas is close to Erika now. That would create a 3-3 tie (provided Woogie and James all vote to save Danielle and that both Danielle and Erika stay on the block after the POV), and then Janelle breaks the tie and evicts Danielle.
It's not so much that Janelle is threatened by the females, but the fact that Danielle just took out Janelle's closest alliance member, and Erika betrayed her alliance and continues to talk trash about her. So, Janelle has plenty of reason to go after them.
This will be an interesting week though because Janelle can't play for POV. Howie has to win it to , or perhaps George would not use it if he won, because he might now be able to choose between Danielle and Erika. Then there's also the Coup D'Etat if anyone has indeed won it yet (though I don't think so).
PEACE, Mike.
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Fri Aug 11, 2006 5:29 pm |
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Mister Ecks
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Can someone please explain the Coup D'Etat to me? It was really confusing when I watched it.
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Fri Aug 11, 2006 5:35 pm |
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MikeQ.
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Mr. X wrote: Can someone please explain the Coup D'Etat to me? It was really confusing when I watched it.
Julie then announces a new twist that puts the game on a whole new level: the Coup d’Etat. Whoever wins this power will have the ability to overthrow the HoH and replace their nominations on the spot at any of the next three evictions. The Coup d’Etat has an added twist, though, as only the winning HouseGuest will know what they have won, and the power will remain secret until it is used.
So, basically:
1. The BB show keeps giving the house clues to the secret phrase that must be guessed. This phrase is a common phrase that has been used throughout the Big Brother seasons.
2. When a houseguest feels they have the correct answer, they enter the Diary Room and state what they believe the phrase is; each houseguest has only ONE GUESS.
3. Only the winner of the Coup D'Etat will know they have won. Everyone else in the house will be in the dark about whether the Coup D'Etat has already been won or not, and who has won it. So, the Coup D'Etat will be sprung upon the house only moments before the eviction ceremony.
4. The Coup D'Etat winner can use the ability to overthrow the HOH and replace their nominations in any of the next three evictions. So, if the Coup D'Etat is won this week by a houseguest, this houseguest can choose to use the Coup D'Etat this week, the next week, or the week after.
They might want to save it for a week that they are up on the block, in hopes that this power will help them. But what exactly the Coup D'Etat power is will not be revealed until the winner decides to use it. So they won't even know what power they have until they have used it! Crazy, eh. Julie was very vague with the houseguests, only telling them that this is a "power" that the houseguests can win. She didn't even say the title "Coup D'Etat", so the houseguests really have no clue what the power might be. And they won't know until they decide to use this power. The winner only knows that they have this "power".
We, the audience, know that it is called the Coup D'Etat and that it allows the winner to overthrow the HOH and the replace their nominations. But the houseguests do not.
It's a bit complicated, as you can see.
PEACE, Mike.
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Fri Aug 11, 2006 6:31 pm |
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haerpinot
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Umm, surely someone else must be bugged by the whole "redo" competition. I don't think Janelle should have been allowed to compete, considering she did get a question wrong in the original HoH and that can't be blamed on faulty buzzers. And it's not quite fair that Erika gets absolutely nothing, not a co-HoH with Janelle (which I think would have made the most sense...), not immunity, not a random cash prize or anything for beating everyone save Howie the first go-around and then having the rug pulled out from under her less than an hour later. Now I hate Erika and love Janelle but this hardly seems fair.
The only good part about it is that HoH this week really doesn't matter because of the Coup D'Etat, so really BB picked the right time to completely muck up a competition.
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Fri Aug 11, 2006 6:38 pm |
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A. G.
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I watched most of the last two episodes. Not enough to make a long post about but my impression from it all was that Janelle is evil and I root for anyone who tries to get rid of or neutralize her.
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Fri Aug 11, 2006 6:58 pm |
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MikeQ.
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haerpinot wrote: Umm, surely someone else must be bugged by the whole "redo" competition. I don't think Janelle should have been allowed to compete, considering she did get a question wrong in the original HoH and that can't be blamed on faulty buzzers. And it's not quite fair that Erika gets absolutely nothing, not a co-HoH with Janelle (which I think would have made the most sense...), not immunity, not a random cash prize or anything for beating everyone save Howie the first go-around and then having the rug pulled out from under her less than an hour later. Now I hate Erika and love Janelle but this hardly seems fair.
The only good part about it is that HoH this week really doesn't matter because of the Coup D'Etat, so really BB picked the right time to completely muck up a competition.
I do hope people realize it was more than just the "Howie incident". Several players said there were problems with their buttons, and there was also the incident when Janelle got her answer wrong, Boogie didn't even get an answer in (his light didn't go on). Julie didn't notice. In that case, there was further complications during that question, so nothing was guaranteed about Janelle definately being "out". It's also possible that people who couldn't get their buzzer to work for true, tried to buzz in for false, because the buzzer wouldn't work. It was all messed up, the technical stuff, so you can't pick and choose, in my opinion. A lot of people experienced problems. I would also argue that Erika was not guaranteed the win because there were problems with numerous people's buzzers, and several people admitted so. Remember how the last person to buzz in is eliminated if they all got it right? Well, what if Erika got a free ride to the win because other people weren't able to buzz fast enough because the buzzers were not working correctly. How is it fair to the contestants?
Let me add that I totally FEEL for the rest of the house. It sucks big time to have to re-do a competition. But it was BB's mistake for having such a faulty competition. Now they have to own up and have done so. If you're going to cut Janelle out of the competition, then you should cut out everyone else who went out before Howie. But like I said, Howie's incident was not the only problem, only the most visible one. For BB to have Janelle participate in the re-do, they probably had been able to verify that the technical difficulties began before she answered incorrectly. Doing a re-do, and then picking and choosing who to cut out and who is allowed to compete again would only instigate more "unfair" commentary from the houseguests and from the viewers. Like I've seen others say, I wouldn't be surprised if they sought the advice of their legal department when making the decision. For me, the reasoning to re-do the competition must have been strong for the producers, because there have been problems with past HOH/POV competitions in the Big Brother show history, and they were called out, but nothing done about it. The producers want everything to be regarded as fair as possible to prevent people calling things "unfair" and such.
PEACE, Mike.
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Fri Aug 11, 2006 7:10 pm |
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Mister Ecks
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The TV show does do a good job at trying to paint Janelle in a negative light. Always has.
The HOH Re-Do is because the whole thing was F'd up. It's unfair to exclude anyone who also could have been screwed by the malfunctions. And, if they just allowed those who claim the buzzers didn't work to play, then everyone would pipe up and try to say they pressed the button, too.
The Coup d'Etat sounds pretty cool. It's going to be interesting to see this play out. Hopefully it will be a good twist, unlike James and his vote nullification, which didn't have any impact whatsoever on the votes last night.
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Fri Aug 11, 2006 7:13 pm |
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MikeQ. wrote: haerpinot wrote: Umm, surely someone else must be bugged by the whole "redo" competition. I don't think Janelle should have been allowed to compete, considering she did get a question wrong in the original HoH and that can't be blamed on faulty buzzers. And it's not quite fair that Erika gets absolutely nothing, not a co-HoH with Janelle (which I think would have made the most sense...), not immunity, not a random cash prize or anything for beating everyone save Howie the first go-around and then having the rug pulled out from under her less than an hour later. Now I hate Erika and love Janelle but this hardly seems fair.
The only good part about it is that HoH this week really doesn't matter because of the Coup D'Etat, so really BB picked the right time to completely muck up a competition. I do hope people realize it was more than just the "Howie incident". Several players said there were problems with their buttons, and there was also the incident when Janelle got her answer wrong, Boogie didn't even get an answer in (his light didn't go on). Julie didn't notice. In that case, there was further complications during that question, so nothing was guaranteed about Janelle definately being "out". It's also possible that people who couldn't get their buzzer to work for true, tried to buzz in for false, because the buzzer wouldn't work. It was all messed up, the technical stuff, so you can't pick and choose, in my opinion. A lot of people experienced problems. I would also argue that Erika was not guaranteed the win because there were problems with numerous people's buzzers, and several people admitted so. Remember how the last person to buzz in is eliminated if they all got it right? Well, what if Erika got a free ride to the win because other people weren't able to buzz fast enough because the buzzers were not working correctly. How is it fair to the contestants? Let me add that I totally FEEL for the rest of the house. It sucks big time to have to re-do a competition. But it was BB's mistake for having such a faulty competition. Now they have to own up and have done so. If you're going to cut Janelle out of the competition, then you should cut out everyone else who went out before Howie. But like I said, Howie's incident was not the only problem, only the most visible one. For BB to have Janelle participate in the re-do, they probably had been able to verify that the technical difficulties began before she answered incorrectly. Doing a re-do, and then picking and choosing who to cut out and who is allowed to compete again would only instigate more "unfair" commentary from the houseguests and from the viewers. Like I've seen others say, I wouldn't be surprised if they sought the advice of their legal department when making the decision. For me, the reasoning to re-do the competition must have been strong for the producers, because there have been problems with past HOH/POV competitions in the Big Brother show history, and they were called out, but nothing done about it. The producers want everything to be regarded as fair as possible to prevent people calling things "unfair" and such. PEACE, Mike.

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Mister Ecks
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I just watched some live feed vids from last night, including HOH Re-Do, and Howie and Janelle celebrating. I just love Howie and Janelle. Brings me back to Season 6, when Howie and Janelle celebrated wins like that. Howie and Janelle have stayed loyal to each other, even after all the crap that has occured.
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Fri Aug 11, 2006 8:45 pm |
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Cotton
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Mr. X wrote: The TV show does do a good job at trying to paint Janelle in a negative light. Always has.
Name one instance.
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Fri Aug 11, 2006 10:48 pm |
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Dani and Ericka were Nominated and Marci is still being a whiny diva. He needs to go!
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Cotton
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If Dani can manage to pass another eviction test, she surely deserves more recognition as a kick-ass player. 
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Sat Aug 12, 2006 2:06 am |
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MovieGeek wrote: Dani and Ericka were Nominated and Marci is still being a whiny diva. He needs to go!
Ugh. It was irritating hearing Marcellas. Even with Kaysar gone, he was bashing him to Erika, saying he was such a poor sport....
Then he says that he thinks James wants Danielle gone for sure now this he was nominated by her, and that they should let him do their dirty work...
The others I can stand, but Erika and Marcellas are showing no sportsmanship whatsoever. They are also clueless about the James/Danielle alliance.
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Sat Aug 12, 2006 9:21 am |
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Mister Ecks
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Janelle can be a fucking idiot. Even Howie is unsure of James' loyalty to them, but Janelle says he's wrong, showing little to no doubt about James. Too bad.
I'm enjoying this week while it lasts. Here's hoping Howie can somehow get it next week.
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MikeQ.
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Mr. X wrote: Janelle can be a fucking idiot. Even Howie is unsure of James' loyalty to them, but Janelle says he's wrong, showing little to no doubt about James. Too bad.
I'm enjoying this week while it lasts. Here's hoping Howie can somehow get it next week.
Will spilled the beans to them. They don't know about Chilltown yet, but they know that James is essentially with Danielle. Some chatter between Janelle and Howie [THEY FINALLY GET IT]:
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Janelle: Will told me not to trust James
Howie: We need to get rid of Dani
J: Absolutely. as long as we get rid of Dani, James is forced to work with us [interesting thought]
[same more chatter]
J: What do you think of will
H: He's overselling it. looks so fake to me. he harps on too many things. he's trying to get us to turn on James, because it makes us weaker. James and CT are like a buffer zone between each other. they know that keeping dani in the game keeps us more paranoid of james.
J: James will not work with CT. i dont think so. do you?
H: No
J: I think dani knew james was safe all along when she nominated him
H: So they were acting?
J: Oh totally. yep. its all good though. play it off. we dont know a damn thing [Interesting, Janie's a lot more perceptive than I thought]
J: I dont think CT wants to keep dani.
H: Why did james not seem worried until the last dame?
J: Because he knew he was safe
H: That bothers me. she thought shed pull a kasar from last year to swing him. same as bb3.
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J: Can you believe i won Hoh last night, it was awesome. erica is so pissed, its so awesome.
H: He (james) still doesnt want to put her (Dani) up. It pissed me the F off.
J: dont worry about it. she's his parachute, you know.
H: they think they're playing us like we dont know it. I want to call it out. Next time they ask me something stupid im going to call them out. say "you're great actors.. but not that good"
J: yeah.
H: if they want to play me for the fool, ill slap it right back in their face from nwo on. not going to tolerate it. Ill say "Sorry, youre not in my alliance"
[Oh, Howie, lol. Sometimes Howie can be funny and smart. I emphasize SOMETIMES. lol]
PEACE, Mike.
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Sat Aug 12, 2006 2:33 pm |
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Dani / James / Erika / Marci / Will are all playing for the veto, as Janelle cant.
I heard Will/James/Dani are going to throw it to help Dani win it. So I'm hoping that either Erika or Marcellas win it, as I think Danielle really needs to stay on the block. But Janelle should do this: If Will wins the veto, she says if he saves Danielle, he'll put up Mike Boogie in her place. That's the only way to buffer Will. I wish there was a situation where the veto would not be used, but I think all 5 of those people competiting would indeed use it. Someone like Chicken George will go up in their place, and then he might get voted out, leaving Erika and Dani in the game. One of them has to go.
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