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zingy College Boy Z Joined: Mon Oct 11, 2004 8:40 pm Posts: 36662	Hotel Rwanda I need to start paying more attention to these indies. I had no idea of the existance of this movie until today. First of all, I probably wouldn't have realized it anyways unless we started learning about the genocide that happened in Rwanda. I just learned about it today. And, the situation that happened over there and learning about it was very interesting. I felt more into this than most of the other things we've discussed in the class. Then, when searching for new trailers, I see Hotel Rwanda. It wasn't a new trailer, but it was there. I was like "holy hell! There's a movie on it?!". I watched the trailer, and I think it looks great. I'm hoping that when I go to vacation in Atlanta, they'll be playing this movie. It just struck a chord with me, and I can't wait. Anyone else wanna see this?
Thu Dec 09, 2004 6:15 pm

Dkmuto Forum General Joined: Fri Oct 22, 2004 1:00 am Posts: 6502	I do. And depending on how these critics' awards play out over the next few weeks, it looks to be an Oscar contender.
Thu Dec 09, 2004 11:26 pm

dolcevita Extraordinary Joined: Tue Oct 12, 2004 11:24 pm Posts: 16061 Location: The Damage Control Table	Looks okay from what I've been checking out. It runs the risky line of sentimentalism ala all the Holocaust movies that come out, but I think Cheadle and Hounsou are actually very good actors, so they may pull it off. Hounsou was excellent in In America really. Right now its at RT at 77% with 13 reviews. But the negative reviews of it are voicing my worst fears of shoddy victimization. However, those liked it agreed it clearly had an agenda, but wasn't too expository about it. Looks like it could be good, since my usual worry is that anything dealing with these topics gets the kid gloves and flies through at 100%. I think 77 actually means people were, well, thinking. That's a great sign in a movie like this. The minute I finish finals I'm going to watch ten movies in a row and comment on them. I'm adding this to the list. 8)
Fri Dec 10, 2004 12:47 am

zingy College Boy Z Joined: Mon Oct 11, 2004 8:40 pm Posts: 36662	Does anyone know or have the listings for where Hotel Rwanda is playing when it opens? I really want to go watch it this Christmas break, and being in Atlanta gives me a better chance because theaters there actually play limited release movies. But, just an overall listing of locations around the US, because I'm going other places too. Much appreciated. :-)
Mon Dec 13, 2004 4:02 pm

zingy College Boy Z Joined: Mon Oct 11, 2004 8:40 pm Posts: 36662	Guess not? :-(
Wed Dec 15, 2004 7:13 pm

xiayun Extraordinary Joined: Tue Oct 12, 2004 3:41 pm Posts: 25109 Location: San Mateo, CA	Zingaling wrote: Guess not? :-( Zing, I can't find any information yet. Should be available sometime next week.
Wed Dec 15, 2004 7:36 pm

zingy College Boy Z Joined: Mon Oct 11, 2004 8:40 pm Posts: 36662	xiayun wrote: Zingaling wrote: Guess not? :-( Zing, I can't find any information yet. Should be available sometime next week. I've been looking around too. Can't find anything. Thanks, though. :-)
Wed Dec 15, 2004 7:40 pm

dolcevita Extraordinary Joined: Tue Oct 12, 2004 11:24 pm Posts: 16061 Location: The Damage Control Table	Zingy, I'll let you know as soon as I find out too. I guess Cheadle is generating Oscar buzz no? That will help open up the distribution perhaps. I think it would be great if he got an Oscar nod. I don't know if he's any good in Hotel, but he has such a long collection of work which, while he's a great actor, wasn't, um, Oscar-worthy type material. So I think this is a great chance for him to break through a bit, and have people recognize how good he is. I think the first time I saw him was when I watched Devil in a Blue Dress several years ago, and he was great, but as good as he is in stuff like Ocean's 11 and 12, those aren't the kind of movies the Academy looks at. I hope he does very well in this, and gets some support for the role. Lets watch it over break, and then I'd love to hear what you have to say about it.
Thu Dec 16, 2004 12:19 pm

zingy College Boy Z Joined: Mon Oct 11, 2004 8:40 pm Posts: 36662	Yeah, definently. Hopefully I get to see it. It playing in NY/LA isn't really going to help me. I actually want to watch this, too, so I hope it expands this Christmas. On the plus side, if I do get to see it, I get extra credit for my Global Perspectives class at school. :-)
Thu Dec 16, 2004 5:30 pm

Dr. Lecter You must have big rats Joined: Sat Oct 16, 2004 4:28 pm Posts: 92093 Location: Bonn, Germany	I wanna see that movie as well. Don Cheadle has been so underrated for years... I think this movie might very well get a Best Picture nom. _________________ The greatest thing on earth is to love and to be loved in return!
Fri Dec 17, 2004 9:42 am

dolcevita Extraordinary Joined: Tue Oct 12, 2004 11:24 pm Posts: 16061 Location: The Damage Control Table	I dunno about best picture. Its a tiny movie isn't it? If anything, it'll go the route of Monster or In America, and get some stuff for script and acting. Yeah, lets hope Cheadle is good in it, because if he is, I'm sure its his ticket to the awards this year. Let me go get some theater info. I'll post it in this post in a minute. edit* Shoot, no theater count yet from the sites I peaked in on. It only comes out next week, and its clearly going to be small if there aren't theatre predictions for it yet.
Fri Dec 17, 2004 1:30 pm

Shad Angels & Demons Joined: Fri Oct 22, 2004 12:19 pm Posts: 233 Location: Iceland	Re: Hotel Rwanda Zingaling wrote: I need to start paying more attention to these indies. I had no idea of the existance of this movie until today. First of all, I probably wouldn't have realized it anyways unless we started learning about the genocide that happened in Rwanda. I just learned about it today. And, the situation that happened over there and learning about it was very interesting. I felt more into this than most of the other things we've discussed in the class. Then, when searching for new trailers, I see Hotel Rwanda. It wasn't a new trailer, but it was there. I was like "holy hell! There's a movie on it?!". I watched the trailer, and I think it looks great. I'm hoping that when I go to vacation in Atlanta, they'll be playing this movie. It just struck a chord with me, and I can't wait. Anyone else wanna see this? What the hell?! You just heard about the Rwandan genocide today? It has been covered so often by the media since 1994 that I simply can't believe you hadn't heard about it. _________________ "Lick me in the arse, quickly, quickly. Lick my arse beautifully, really clean. Lick it, that's an oily desire. It's only good smeared with butter. Lick me, lick me!" ~ Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart, "Leck mich am Arsch", K231, Vienna, 1782
Fri Dec 17, 2004 10:14 pm

Dr. Lecter You must have big rats Joined: Sat Oct 16, 2004 4:28 pm Posts: 92093 Location: Bonn, Germany	Re: Hotel Rwanda Shad wrote: What the hell?! You just heard about the Rwandan genocide today? It has been covered so often by the media since 1994 that I simply can't believe you hadn't heard about it. Actuialy, the point is that NOT many people heard of it. The genocide in Rwanda was barely covered by the media during the time it happened and I have yet to see a long report on it anyway. In school, out current topic in History is UN and its functions and efforts. Well, since I consider the Rwanda massacre one of UN's biggest failures yet, I brought it up..well, aside of me and the teacher no one has ever heard of it (that'd be over 20 students). I think the fact that UN failed to achieve anything in Rwanda has to do with the fact that it is a not too well-known bit of history. _________________ The greatest thing on earth is to love and to be loved in return!
Sat Dec 18, 2004 12:38 am

dolcevita Extraordinary Joined: Tue Oct 12, 2004 11:24 pm Posts: 16061 Location: The Damage Control Table	I saw the preview for it yesterday ngiht. Looks a bit sentimentalist, but I'm going to watch it next week because I know that previews tend to do that to draw people in. Anyways, did any of you guys catch the front page article of the Times today that mentiones it? http://www.nytimes.com/2004/12/20/movies/20rwan.html?hp&ex= 1103605200&en=160a47d4323f3857&ei=5094&partner=homepage wrote: Revisiting Rwanda's Horrors With an Ex-National Security Adviser WASHINGTON, Dec. 14 - In a pivotal scene in "Hotel Rwanda," which opens Wednesday, the colonel in charge of a beleaguered United Nations peace-keeping force rushes to talk with the commanding officer of a fresh and heavily armed United Nations contingent that has just arrived at a hotel packed with refugees from the bloody genocide outside its walls. The colonel, played by Nick Nolte, suddenly throws his blue beret on the ground in anger. The eyes of the hotel manager, played by Don Cheadle, slowly register concern, then fear. The awful truth becomes clear: the new soldiers are there to evacuate the mostly white foreigners, leaving the black Rwandans to their fate. "That gets to you - they were counting on the U.N. and they were abandoned," whispered Anthony Lake, as he watched the scene in an otherwise empty theater here. Mr. Lake, the national security adviser in the Clinton administration, played a role in determining United States policy in Rwanda a decade ago, and he had agreed to attend the screening of a movie that, even before its release, is provoking uncomfortable memories of the collective failure by Western powers to confront an atrocity. "Hotel Rwanda," from MGM's United Artists unit, depicts the events of 1994, when Hutu extremists slaughtered some 800,000 of their countrymen, women and children. The genocide of the Tutsis and moderate Hutus was probably the fastest and most personally brutal in history: more often than not, the implements for death were machetes. To deal with its burden of horror, the film searches out a bright spot. Like "Schindler's List," it concentrates on a real-life hero, Paul Rusesabagina, the fastidious, crafty and courageous manager of a luxury hotel in Kigali, the capital city. For two and a half months, Mr. Rusesabagina, a Hutu, held insanity at bay. Somehow, using his connections to the Hutu army command, bribes of money and single malt Scotch, flattery and threats, and desperate telephone calls to the outside world, he was able to save the lives of 1,268 people who took refuge in his hotel, the Milles Collines, including his Tutsi wife and their four children. The director, Terry George, has taken pains to make the movie watchable and to retain its PG-13 rating. There are plenty of bodies - including a grisly scene reminiscent of the bone yard in "The Killing Fields" - but the massacres occur in peripheral vision. They are depicted mostly in a fictionalized piece of videotape. (Mr. George was persuaded not to use actual videotape of people being killed.) People familiar with what happened 10 years ago in Rwanda, both those inside and outside the country, are coming face to face with scenes that remind them of their own trauma and shame, much of it grounded in the fact that the world willingly turned its back on what was happening there. Mr. Lake, for his part, requested two ground rules in agreeing to see and discuss the film: that he not be made to appear "self-serving or self-exculpatory" (a rule that tended to take care of itself), and that he be allowed to air his views on the current situations in Darfur in Sudan and in the eastern Congo. The extensive loss of civilian life in those places, he believes, is a direct echo of the Rwandan genocide, and this time, he asserts, international powers should not sit idly by, as they have largely done to date. In Rwanda, the United States did not simply not intervene. It also used its considerable power to discourage other Western powers from intervening. At the height of the carnage, when Belgium lost 10 peacekeepers, the United States demanded a total United Nations withdrawal. Some African countries objected, and eventually Washington settled for a severe cutback in the 2,500-man United Nations force. The commander of the force in Kigali, Maj. Gen. RomÃƒÂ©o Dallaire of Canada, who had asked for 5,000 troops, was left with 270. The withdrawal, Paul Rusesabagina noted, was a critical turning point. In an interview in New York, where he was promoting the film, he said it signaled to the Hutu militia, known as the Interahamwe, that their planned killing of Tutsis and moderate Hutus could continue unabated. "You can imagine the situation," he said, describing a scene of dead bodies piling up in the streets outside his hotel. "The majority of the population is now killing systematically the minority, and no one just raises a finger to say this is wrong. And even the United Nations is pulling out. "Everyone was listening to radios so we all knew what was going on in the Security Council. When other countries wanted to maintain their soldiers the U.S. said no. Of course I was angry against each and everybody. I was bitter. It's because it was Rwanda. It was Africa. What else can you conclude?" With time, his anger has dulled, he said: "By now I have come to realize that the average person outside is not always aware of what was going on. But the leaders were aware of what was happening." Mr. Lake, now a professor of international diplomacy at Georgetown University, said he had reviewed memos of the time in an attempt to reconstruct the government's position. The goal was not to "wallow in guilt," he said, but to understand why the slaughter in Rwanda registered so faintly in the Washington decision-making apparatus. "My retrospective anger and dismay is not that we made a wrong decision," he said, "but that we didn't make any decision." There never was a "principals' meeting" - at the level of cabinet officers - to discuss Rwanda, he said.... Sorry I posted so much, I usually don't, but I know most people have trouble with links because sites require membership etc. There's pages more to the article, so the address in the wrote section should take you there if you have an id (you can get one for free in two minutes too) or I guess there is some way to use bugmenot.com. What do you guys think? This is definately good in the Oscar buzz category, btw.
Mon Dec 20, 2004 10:48 am

rusty rustiphica Joined: Mon Oct 11, 2004 7:59 pm Posts: 8687	I still really want to see this movie. It looks amazing and the story of it keeps me wanting to know more. Not many times I can read a long article but I actually read docle's one there and wanted more to it. Hopefully my city will get this movie at christmas.
Mon Dec 20, 2004 3:48 pm

zingy College Boy Z Joined: Mon Oct 11, 2004 8:40 pm Posts: 36662	Finally, the theater information! 12.22.04 New York, NY Chicago, IL Los Angeles, CA 1.7.05 Philadelphia San Francisco Boston Dallas Washington DC Detroit Atlanta Houston Seattle Cleveland Minneapolis Miami Phoenix Denver Sacramento Portland San Diego Toronto Montreal Vancouver Link: http://www.mgm.com/ua/hotelrwanda/main.html
Mon Dec 20, 2004 4:43 pm

dolcevita Extraordinary Joined: Tue Oct 12, 2004 11:24 pm Posts: 16061 Location: The Damage Control Table	w00t! New York! I knew there was a reason I moved to this city. Though, well, Chicago would have worked too, so I guess that can't actually have been the reason for the relocation. Anyways, that means y'all will get a review from me before it even reaches you cities. That'll be a firstie. I look forward to providing you guys with my thoughts asap. Maybe I'll go see it opening night? It this Wednesday, so that'll be perfect. I'll send in the review before heading home for the holidays friday afternoon.
Mon Dec 20, 2004 4:51 pm

zingy College Boy Z Joined: Mon Oct 11, 2004 8:40 pm Posts: 36662	dolcevita wrote: w00t! New York! I knew there was a reason I moved to this city. Though, well, Chicago would have worked too, so I guess that can't actually have been the reason for the relocation. Anyways, that means y'all will get a review from me before it even reaches you cities. That'll be a firstie. I look forward to providing you guys with my thoughts asap. Maybe I'll go see it opening night? It this Wednesday, so that'll be perfect. I'll send in the review before heading home for the holidays friday afternoon. You better do that review! I must know. :wink:
Mon Dec 20, 2004 5:05 pm

dolcevita Extraordinary Joined: Tue Oct 12, 2004 11:24 pm Posts: 16061 Location: The Damage Control Table	OK. But I should warn you I wasn't the blind Schindler's list lover everyone else was, so this movie is not going to get a free ride of support from me. I am especially critical of war and genocide movies. :x Last edited by dolcevita on Mon Dec 20, 2004 6:44 pm, edited 1 time in total.
Mon Dec 20, 2004 5:59 pm

Dr. Lecter You must have big rats Joined: Sat Oct 16, 2004 4:28 pm Posts: 92093 Location: Bonn, Germany	We discussed on this topic some days ago in my history class after I brought it up. This is an excellent exapmle of how useless UN can be at times. The Iraq War is another one... _________________ The greatest thing on earth is to love and to be loved in return!
Mon Dec 20, 2004 6:40 pm

zingy College Boy Z Joined: Mon Oct 11, 2004 8:40 pm Posts: 36662	The UN has done a lot of great things, and a lot of stupid things at the same time. The sad part is, though, that now Rwandans probably hate America more for not getting involved (which I don't like the fact that we took out our people and didn't give a damn about them) when the other great powers and the UN did nothing as well. Infact, I think the UN had peacekeepers in Rwanda at the time, and they were taken out when the genocide started.
Mon Dec 20, 2004 6:58 pm

rusty rustiphica Joined: Mon Oct 11, 2004 7:59 pm Posts: 8687	Hope it expands to something more then just that amount of cities.
Tue Dec 21, 2004 12:12 am

Maximus Hot Fuss Joined: Sat Oct 16, 2004 10:46 am Posts: 8427 Location: floridaaa	It isn't comming here. Yet. Actually, I know this isn't on topic entirely, but along with this movie I have wanted to see atleast a dozen indie movies this year and I haven't had the chance. Why? Ignorance. Not on my behalf, but on my parents. Especially my dad. He will only see the big budget crap. He thinks Indies look boring and stupid, and he can't appreciate good acting and actual story. So, I can't see them at the movies. Boo. I can't rent them, because we have one video store that's family run. If they actually HAVE the indies, all the sophisticated folk here run out and get it before I do. Aye. A mess. Add to it tht they won't let me rent movies because I am not 18... which is a lame ass rule. We won't talk about that. Anyway, I'm just venting my frustrations. It's a shame. Because this movie looked pretty interesting. Oh well. Maybe some day.
Tue Dec 21, 2004 12:53 am

dolcevita Extraordinary Joined: Tue Oct 12, 2004 11:24 pm Posts: 16061 Location: The Damage Control Table	rusty wrote: Hope it expands to something more then just that amount of cities. It says Toronto on the 7th? I thought you lived near there? Don't plan on it making it out of the BIG cities unless it gets rave B.O. and builds excellent buzz. Why? Do you live in a smaller place? It might expand if you have a sort of well know Indie theatre like I know used to be near me in Waltham, but otherwise it might not. Zach...can you argue it for "educational" purposes if it gets to where you live? Like say one of your teachers says if you watch it you get credit (that's not my idea, thank Zingy's teacher).
Tue Dec 21, 2004 1:05 am

Maximus Hot Fuss Joined: Sat Oct 16, 2004 10:46 am Posts: 8427 Location: floridaaa	dolcevita wrote: rusty wrote: Hope it expands to something more then just that amount of cities. It says Toronto on the 7th? I thought you lived near there? Don't plan on it making it out of the BIG cities unless it gets rave B.O. and builds excellent buzz. Why? Do you live in a smaller place? It might expand if you have a sort of well know Indie theatre like I know used to be near me in Waltham, but otherwise it might not. Zach...can you argue it for "educational" purposes if it gets to where you live? Like say one of your teachers says if you watch it you get credit (that's not my idea, thank Zingy's teacher). Well, we have an 'indie' theater or two in our cultural district or whatever you call it... our SoHo. I hope it comes. Thats a good idea dolce. I need to get Blockbuster direct I think. The closest store is 25 minutes away and we don't have a membership. If I get it, I bet I could convince them to let me rent them.
Tue Dec 21, 2004 9:41 am
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