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 GONG LI FILM FESTIVAL (July 21 - August 3) 
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Mr. Price for you wrote:
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Btw, she has done one martial arts film: Curse of the Golden Flower, still to be released. ;)




NOOOOOOOOOOOooooooooooooooooooo.......................



...and proof of it. It's from Zhang Yimou. Enjoy! :twisted:

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I am traumatized right now.


Fri Jul 21, 2006 10:48 am
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Don't worry, Dolce. Somewhere I did read that although the film is a martial arts epic, she won't do any fighting in the movie. She will be the 'quality touch'. :smile: Btw, Chow Yun-Fat is in this too.


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Well, I couldn't get my hands on Red Sorghum, not even for sale! I can't believe it, I know for a fact most of her late eighties and early nineties movies have been transferred to DVD. There was a short-order stock at the store I went to, so the woman I spoke with said Sorghum was probably on order and hadn't arrived yet. Ju Dou wasn't for rental either, but I did buy it. I remember really liking it a few years back, so it better be worth the not so cheap purchase. I can't wait, I am going to watch it this afternoon.

I hope it has cleaner sub-titles than Raise the Red Lantern did, though. It was starting to get in the way of the emotional intensity, all the typos. And Lantern was part of the remastered Zhang Yimou set that was just released, so I have no idea why they didn't catch all of the errors?

Anyways, has anyone managed to see any of her work this weekend?


Sun Jul 23, 2006 12:13 pm
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There's some red sorghum on ebay for cheap

http://search.ebay.com/search/search.dl ... ed+sorghum

If you really want it. I can't vouch for it of course, just alerting that it's there. There's also some copies available on VHS at amazon.com

Let Gongathon '06 begin.


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Archie Gates wrote:

Let Gongathon '06 begin.


It has begun!

*some spoilers, though I try to be vague*

I rewatched Raise the Red Lantern last week to put a review up in anticipation, and I think it served as an interesting counter-point to Ju Dou, which I just finished watching now. I have to say Ju Dou is a bit different than I remember it being, mostly because its much more Shakespearian. It more timeless in that sense, and I don't actually think it was as poignant today as some of Zhang's other films. It felt more fantastic because of the way her son responds, and the second murder.

Though I understand where Zhang was trying to go with it...I think. There's two ways this film can be read. Either that the couple's transgressions lead to the entire family's demise, or that the oppressive husband lead to the family's demise. I tend to think its the latter because the movie opens with a comment that the first two wives (Ju Dou is the third) already died because of the husband's abuse...but this could go the other way, like, say Crimes of Padre Amaro did. Thoughts? Feelings?

It pretty much about the specter of conservative gender and tradition, which is what Raise the Red Lantern was as well. If there is one thing Zhang clearly is against, its primogeniture.

Here is Ju Dou, I was somewhat frustrated Tianqing's inability to transgress against his uncle both while they lived and in his uncle's death. Ju Dou was much more aggressive in desiring to make their relationship public, or to run away, or even to kill the husband, and he always hangs back indicisively. He straddles the two lives and ends up doin the most damage.

Gong Li was great in this, but I was so sure in the beginning she was going to be more conniving. I thought this was going to be an "open book" Double Indemnity, where she get Tianqing to kill her husband for her. As when she optionally leaves the peephole open so that she can show off her wounds to him. In the end, the impotent husband ends up ruining everything that entered his house, and driving everyone crazy even in maintaining the tradition of his household after his death. And Ju Dou is left to clean up the mess when she was the only one that had been more adament about shedding past pretenses.

She has a wonderful early scene where she strips before the peephole. Nice to see her early work, and its very sensual even while its repulsize and depressing. She really carried her scenes the best. I know that a bit of bias, but its true. :-) I'm still going to try and get my hands on Red Sorghum, but I do not have VHS player, so will need to figure something out.

Anyone else seen Ju Dou? What did you think. There's something that never quite grabs me about Oedipus stories. Its beautifully filmed (though a bit cheesy at parts, heh). I liked all the hanging fabrics after they were dyed.


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Goodness! I ended up staying up until 3 am watching Shanghai Triad yesterday. I still like it alot. Two quick observations upon the re-watch:

*some spoilers*

1. Zhang isn't quite sure what to do with the little village boy. He serves as the outside onlooked, but he's very nuetral, and his bias is expected. He approaches everything with equal mezmerization and disdain, rather than being drawn to some things and repulsed by others. Zhang could have done a little better job developing the character of the young boy, which would strengthen his eventual support of the mistress.

2. Gong Li is superb in the scene where she realizes both sides have been playing her as their trump card, and that she is pretty much just a pawn in the entire experience. She's crushed when she learns Song was just seeing her to follow Boss's movements. Its very hard to tell though, if he liked her or not. When she withdraws and just looks on with red eyes, starts laughing. Its great.

On a side note though, I don't think she's so great a singer as alot of the critics make her out to be, but I'm not familiar with the singing style, so maybe someone knows better? This was the last movie I think she did with Zhang before they broke up, no?


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Early mentions in Miami Vice:

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Gong Li's appearance here as a drug moll brings her into an area of performance that is made possible only by her learning English at this end of her glorious career ("The Emperor and the Assassin," "Farewell My Concubine") as the most beautiful and important Asian actress in the world. (Only in recent years displaced in this role by the younger Zhang Ziyi). This is not an inconsiderable appearance and kudos to Mann for recognizing the savor of the exotic chemistry she brings to his dangerous liaison. In fact, it's through her pairing with Farrell that we get any kind of glimpse into the humanity and vulnerability of his character which he masks behind singleminded determination.

For westerners who may be laying eyes on Li for the first time, as well as for those familiar with her work in major Chinese productions from 1987 ("Red Sorghum") to 2005 ("Memoirs Of a Geisha") a great cinema treat is in store. To see that I'm not exaggerating, see her also in, "Zhou Yu's Train," "2046," and "Eros," but none of these roles convey the direct sensuality as the intimacy she reveals here. Maybe it's the lifting of the language barrier. Or, maybe, its her adoption of the American style and a great actress' desire to demonstrate that artistry travels intact. Ms. Li is as world-class as they get.


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In this respect, "Miami Vice" represents a major departure, since the most intriguing and conflicted character is Gong Li's. As written and played, Li is perfectly cast as the noirish piece's femme fatale, combining effortless sexulaity with business-like toughness.


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But the biggest joys were, first, Gong Li, in what is easily her best, most raw performance yet in English. Mann didn't just want a beautiful woman, but he wanted a performance that stripped her to her freckles. And he gets it. It starts a little chilly and accent distracting. But as the movie progresses, this turns into a really lovely and intimate piece of work from this actress.


David Ansen wrote:
Crockett's pose as a drugrunner gets more complicated when he falls for the cartel's sexy financial officer, Isabella (Gong Li). The great Chinese star hasn't seemed comfortable in Hollywood fare ("Memoirs of a Geisha"), but Mann locates the lusty vulnerability under her snarl. There's enough real passion between Farrell and Gong for the movie to get some emotional traction.


Scott Foundas wrote:
But it's not often enough noted that Mann is the creator of many strong female characters, and Gong's Isabella may be the most complex he has dreamt up since Tuesday Weld's tragic Jessie in his debut feature, Thief. She is, like Crockett, undercover in a way, living a life that has been chosen for her rather than one she has chosen for herself, and in their intensely beautiful scenes together, they dream of a freedom that eludes them both.


Brian Lowry wrote:
Gong, meanwhile, despite appearing to struggle with some of her dialogue, brings welcome vulnerability to the role of Isabella, which is about as much humanity as Mann cares to explore.


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Right, shipped back a movie to Netflix today. What is the one film I must see, if I only see one?


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sunnier wrote:
Right, shipped back a movie to Netflix today. What is the one film I must see, if I only see one?


That's a toughie. Farewell My Concubine because its her most famous role, but as a healthy counterpart I'd watch To Live, which is one of my favorite movies, and where Gong plays a completely different character. The two of those should show her range. They're both really different, so I guess it depends on what mood you're in. But yes, Farewell is her most well-known role.


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Ju Dou Review:

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Often there are rich tales layered with metaphor sadly interpreted too quickly. Just as often however, there are equivalent tales of personal experience that are read too profoundly. It’s a challenge to decide if Zhang Yimou’s early Ju Dou falls into the former or latter category, but the stripped down story rides on the energy of its players and relishes its Oedipus checkmate.

Whether that mating transcends the reel and enters reality depends entirely on how aggressively one can translate an oppressive husband and father into “the male sex” or, say, “conservative patriarchal tradition.” By “can” of course I mean “will,” and “aggressively” is also coincidentally synonymous with “inevitably.” But stick with the initial reading or risk wrapping oneself in threadbare linen.

Ju Dou is a simple tale of secrecy and violence coming full cycle. The young woman Ju Dou (Gong Li) is purchased by dyed fabric merchant Jinshan (Li Wei) to serve as his wife, employee, and most importantly as the womb of his future sons. He has one son, the forty-year-old Tianqing (Li Baotian), whom he has supported, or rather supported him, since the young boy was left an orphan of Jinshan’s brother. Jinshan likes Tianqing enough to allow the adopted son to sleep in the basement of the house and dye mill, and to break his middle-aged back for the mill, but not enough to consider the son even mildly related or worthy of an inheritance. The young heir must come from Jinshan’s loins, only there is one small problem. Jinshan is impotent. He’s so impotent he abused and killed his two previous wives in his desperation to stimulate himself, and his young bride is trodden upon in a similar fashion.

Only Ju Dou has some kick, and good looks to assist, and when she notices Tianqing peeping at her through a hole in the barn wall as she washes herself after a beating, she decides to take matters into her own hands. At this point, it’s hard to anticipate Ju Dou’s intentions. Gong is superb at being sly and anticipatory, and her seduction scene is incredibly aggressive. In her quick actions she becomes pregnant and Jinshan is convinced the son is his own.

Had Ju Dou been interested only in easing the stress of her own situation, Zhang’s film would have been remarkably short, but the entry of her new baby son Tianbai into the cradle is only the foundation of the family drama. Ju Dou and Tianqing continue with their affections, and as Jinshan suffers a paralyzing accident the family situation comes to a front. Lashing out in anger against her violent husband Ju Dou admits to him his offspring’s true father is Tianqing, and the three continue trying to live with each other in the most psychologically abusive fashion. Ju Dou relishes flaunting her relationship in front of her now handicapped husband, and he in turn loathes the couple but even more so for his dependency on them.

As the three of them parry and try to out-insult if not outright kill the other, the young Tianbai sops up their mess like fabric in the dye-baths. His animosity and friendship with the bitter family can only lead to violence. It’s a rough family tree where Tianbai’s perceived brother is actually his father, and his father is actually his grandfather, and his mother slept with them both, albeit against her wishes in the case of Tianbai’s perceived father.

What makes matters even worse is the blooming and burdening of Ju Dou and Tianqing’s relationship. The two desire for years to marry, and yet the life-long mistreated Tianqing cannot severe his own umbilical chord from his uncle/adoptive father. Ju Dou becomes increasingly adamant about moving on with life, but as Tianqing delays, Jinshan recruits Tianbai to Machiavellian ends. Long after Jinshan exits the picture, his specter plagues the already fragile family. They fester within his old Dye mill walls, and the ultimate Greek tragedy is finally recognized.

Yimou keeps his tragedy behind closed doors, and because the walls are so thick and the plight so dramatic, it’s hard to recognize his early film as having the same commentary as the later Raise the Red Lantern. Though both deal to some extent with female disempowerment, Ju Dou detours into the world of star-crossed lovers and remains securely within those boundaries. It’s a timeless tale, but its pleasures unfold reel-time with afterthought being tossed to the wind.

To enjoy Ju Dou is to sop up the performances of the cast, spearheaded by Gong and Baotian who would reunited for a second Zhang film, Shanghai Triad, four years later. The two tug on different ends of a rope that eventually strangles them both. Baotian shuffles around in indecisiveness and doesn’t quite match the dominant Gong with her determined, angry, and emotional protagonista. But for good or bad, the two are in almost every minute of the movie, and one will enjoy Ju Dou immensely if the film is regarded as a well-crafted classical tragedy.


Grade: B


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I'm sorry that I couldn't participate in this festival. I just finished school today.


I will, however, try to watch some Gong Li films this month.

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Unrelated to Gong Li, but I did re-watch Zhang Yimou's Not One Less this week and was reminded how good Yimou is at turning a simple story into something memorable.

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Oh no, I forgot :oops: :sad:

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