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misutaa
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Awesome, it was great, i really enjoyed it.
The cast was great, Routh was great, i dont think its fair to compare him with Reeve. I thought he did a great job. Bosworth actually did great, i loved her eyes. The kid was ok, i already knew going in but still it was alright. The action scenes are great, though limited. The Plane scene is fantastic, and the audience clapped for that one, it was VERY well made, especially since i thought it looked like crap from the trailers. Anyways, Lex was great, but extremely underused, the trailers make him seem way more important. The direction is great, Singer is great once more, and I'm sure that if he is back for the sequel it will be great because Singer can make great sequels. The dialouge was alright but its a comic book adaptation, they're all a bit cheesy. The comedy was great, the audience laughed. The drama was extensive but still great but I think that Sam Raimi does a better job with drama mixed with action. Singer had TOO much drama and not enough action. Visually it was good, there were certain points where it sucked and looked quite animated, but the Plane scene was just classic. Overall I would say it is easily my favorite of the year and a great superhero movie. I would watch it again and definitely recommend it.
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Joker's Thug #3
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Went from incredibly positive to pretty damn underwhelming in this thread in a blink of an eye.
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bABA
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Killuminati510 wrote: Went from incredibly positive to pretty damn underwhelming in this thread in a blink of an eye.
i guess a more thorough consensus is being formed.
i think the reviews for this film will behave the way they did for WOTW. Some people will really like it and others will think its good cept for 1 or 2 major problems in the film that really really ... caused the film to ... you know ... frustrate us.
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The last fifteen minutes of the film were really slow, I'll admit that. I almost stood up a few times, thinking it was finished, but it kept going. Like Return of the King.
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Not such a hot reaction at BOM either, surprisingly.
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bABA
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i didnt like the kid's involvement to the plot either. Somehow, that doesn't settle well with me. Considering that to this very day, from the day the comics started to now,
SPOILER!!!!
Superman has always been the goody 2 shoe
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Bradley Witherberry
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Zingaling wrote: The last fifteen minutes of the film were really slow, I'll admit that. I almost stood up a few times, thinking it was finished, but it kept going. Like Return of the King.
Oh, if only it had been just fifteen minutes...
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bABA
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Zingaling wrote: The last fifteen minutes of the film were really slow, I'll admit that. I almost stood up a few times, thinking it was finished, but it kept going. Like Return of the King.
i would say it was worse. while ROTK's ending was long, it kept adding to the story, even if many didn't want it. This .. this went no where.
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Zingaling wrote: The last fifteen minutes of the film were really slow, I'll admit that. I almost stood up a few times, thinking it was finished, but it kept going. Like Return of the King.
I was actually going to title my review Superman Returns of the King.
It does go on and on and on and on at the end...such a terrible way to end an already poorly paced film.
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Joker's Thug #3
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I always stand by the fact that last part of a film is what can make it or break it when it comes to wom. BB ended with a bang, so no matter the fact that the beginning to some that weren that interested in the back story to Batman felt bored the last 30min of the film made up for it. Not good to hear this about SR.
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EVERYONE should go see it in IMAX 3D if u can.
A+  lived up to the hype and then some. (short n sweet  cause i gotta hit the sack)
who's the ass who grade it an F?
oh when the hospital doors were opening did anyone catch the "I AM MUTANT" sign? 
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revolutions wrote: who's the ass who grade it an F? 
Not me, I gave it a D...
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I'm preoccupied with something else right now, but I'll say this.
GODAWESOME action, a wee bit too long, anticlimactic, but overall great.
THERE WAS NO SPIDER-MAN 3 TEASER! SOMMIE IS VERY VERY VERY VERY UNHAPPY RIGHT NOW!
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revolutions wrote: who's the ass who grade it an F?  Take a wild guess 
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STEVE ROGERS
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Killuminati510 wrote: revolutions wrote: who's the ass who grade it an F?  Take a wild guess 
No.. I assure you it wasn't me and I honestly voted it a "D" since I was torn between a "C-" and a "D", but in good conscience and in good faith, I couldn't give it a solid "C" like the Poll shows.. Too much annoyances with the continuity problems and the dumb kid angle for this movie to get a solid "C"..
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In the realm of Americana, few icons are as admired, durable, and inspirational as the Man of Steel, Superman. As he's older than every other iconic superhero or team, including Batman, Captain America, the Fantastic Four, Spider-Man, and the X-Men, one would not be wrong to consider him the grandfather of the modern superhero, but age hasn't lessened his popularity as he continues to be one of the most discussed and respected protagonists in comics and many other creative mediums, including film. Though not the first filmed entertainment to include the character (far from it), the widest-seen is, without a doubt, director Richard Donner's SUPERMAN: THE MOVIE, first released close to thirty years ago and featuring Christopher Reeve as the titular hero. The film was both acclaimed by critics and a box office smash and led to three Reeve-led (and, for the most part, Donner-less) sequels, the last one being SUPERMAN IV: THE QUEST FOR PEACE, an underfunded anti-nuclear weapons activism rant disguised as a superhero adventure which audiences ignored and critics loathed.
Since then, the Superman film franchise has lain dormant, while the character continued to flourish in comics, televised animation, and video games. Meanwhile, the overall superhero action genre has experienced a high-profile renaissance with characters both major (Batman, Spider-Man, X-Men) and minor (Blade, Constantine, Daredevil) enjoying big-budget film(s) dedicated to them and their universes. It was only a matter of time then before Time Warner (owner of Warner Bros. Pictures and DC Comics, Superman's home) attempted to revive their flagship character. The cinematic resuscitation, however, has proven difficult and resulted in a long road to theatres, one home to a multitude of false (and expensive) starts. Countless directors (Tim Burton, McG, Wolfgang Petersen) and stars (Nicolas Cage, Brendan Fraser, Josh Hartnett) have been attached to Superman epics which never came to be.
In the end, it is director Bryan Singer (X-MEN) and screenwriters Michael Dougherty (X2: X-MEN UNITED) and Dan Harris (IMAGINARY HEROES) who have brought about the Man of Steel's return to theatres. The first challenge Singer faced was where to place his film in the franchise's chronological order. Instead of doing a number five or reboot (as director Christopher Nolan did with last year's BATMAN BEGINS), he opted for a clever, if complicated concept: set the film five years after the events of the first Reeve sequel, ignore the reviled third and fourth films, and create a new future for Superman on film. Singer's choice to do so is winning for two reasons. First, it allows the film to dive into the action and avoid explaining the character's extensive origin yet again and, second, it lifts a sizable burden off Singer's shoulders -- instead of being forced to design a new world for Superman to fly through, he can further expand, explore, and illuminate the one Donner and his team fashioned.
As Singer's film opens, Superman (Brandon Routh, "One Life To Live") has just returned to Earth from outer space, where he spent half a decade searching for other survivors of the destruction of Krypton, his home planet. He lands in Smallville, Kansas, the rural area where his adoptive human mother (Eva Marie Saint, BECAUSE OF WINN-DIXIE) lives. After a brief relaxation period on her farm, he returns to Metropolis, the bustling DC Comics equivalent of the Big Apple. He slides with ease into his old routine: writing for The Daily Planet as his bumbling, introverted alter-ego and saving lives and thwarting villainous plots as a superhero. He finds, however, not everything in his life remained the same during his prolonged absence. The lover he left behind, Lois Lane (Kate Bosworth. BEE SEASON), has a new significant other, Richard White (James Marsden, X-MEN: THE LAST STAND), a son, Jason (Tristan Lake Leabu), and a Pulitzer Prize for a bitter article called "Why The World Doesn't Need Superman." And his archenemy, the flamboyant, sadistic Lex Luthor (Kevin Spacey, BEYOND THE SEA), has been released from the prison (because Superman failed to appear in court to testify) and is plotting the ultimate swindle, one which will leave him rich and countless innocents dead. As Superman battles to stop the diabolical plot, he must also establish a new relationship with Lois and find a place in a world which may no longer want him as its savior.
Another challenge Singer faced was casting the role of Superman, knowing whoever was cast would be compared to the legendary Christopher Reeve on even the most minute of levels. In Brandon Routh, a virtual unknown who soap opera fans alone may've been aware of before his casting here, he's found an actor with a face and physique reminiscent of Reeve's and one with enough charm, screen presence, and style to shine through the long shadow Reeve casts. Kate Bosworth is also fantastic, retaining former actress Margot Kidder's high energy and adding a beautiful elegance to the role. Stealing the show is Kevin Spacey, who is grittier and more menacing than Gene Hackman was in the role. The supporting cast, including screen legend Eva Marie Saint as the woman who raised Superman, James Marsden as Lois' dedicated, loving new partner, and the scene-stealing, hilarious Parker Posey (BLADE: TRINITY) as Lex Luthor's sarcastic, not-so-mean-but-not-so-nice-either henchwoman, provide unblemished support to the three leads.
Singer has also assembled a wonderful technical team for SUPERMAN RETURNS, including director of photography Newton Thomas Sigel (THE BROTHERS GRIMM). Sigel manages to give the film an old-fashioned appeal despite the storm of high-tech special effects. His shooting of the film recalls films from decades ago -- all rich shadows and film noir mood. As for the aforementioned special effects, they're among the most incredible ever seen in film, especially during a thrilling action sequence in which Superman must save a fiery plane falling out of the sky. "You will believe a man can fly" when you witness the superlative special effects -- many of which are near-photorealistic, yet still have a fantastic edginess and an otherworldy sheen. Special effects supervisor Neil Corbould (KINGDOM OF HEAVEN) and his team have done what might very well be one of the most impressive effects showings of all-time.
Overall, SUPERMAN RETURNS is the best film of the year and the best superhero film of all-time. A crowd-pleasing epic which will capture imaginations and thrill people of all ages and genders, Singer's film is unmissable entertainment for anyone who considers themselves a fan of cinema. It's a spectacular explosion of creativity, intelligence, and superheroic fun I one-hundred-percent recommend.
10/10 (A+)
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Excel
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thats quite the endorsment.
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C-
A mamouth disappointment. Full review tomorrow, as I'm dead tired.
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Excel
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this seems to be either dissapoointing or mind blowing.
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STEVE ROGERS
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Gunslinger wrote:  In the realm of Americana, few icons are as admired, durable, and inspirational as the Man of Steel, Superman. As he's older than every other iconic superhero or team, including Batman, Captain America, the Fantastic Four, Spider-Man, and the X-Men, one would not be wrong to consider him the grandfather of the modern superhero, but age hasn't lessened his popularity as he continues to be one of the most discussed and respected protagonists in comics and many other creative mediums, including film. Though not the first filmed entertainment to include the character (far from it), the widest-seen is, without a doubt, director Richard Donner's SUPERMAN: THE MOVIE, first released close to thirty years ago and featuring Christopher Reeve as the titular hero. The film was both acclaimed by critics and a box office smash and led to three Reeve-led (and, for the most part, Donner-less) sequels, the last one being SUPERMAN IV: THE QUEST FOR PEACE, an underfunded anti-nuclear weapons activism rant disguised as a superhero adventure which audiences ignored and critics loathed. Since then, the Superman film franchise has lain dormant, while the character continued to flourish in comics, televised animation, and video games. Meanwhile, the overall superhero action genre has experienced a high-profile renaissance with characters both major (Batman, Spider-Man, X-Men) and minor (Blade, Constantine, Daredevil) enjoying big-budget film(s) dedicated to them and their universes. It was only a matter of time then before Time Warner (owner of Warner Bros. Pictures and DC Comics, Superman's home) attempted to revive their flagship character. The cinematic resuscitation, however, has proven difficult and resulted in a long road to theatres, one home to a multitude of false (and expensive) starts. Countless directors (Tim Burton, McG, Wolfgang Petersen) and stars (Nicolas Cage, Brendan Fraser, Josh Hartnett) have been attached to Superman epics which never came to be. In the end, it is director Bryan Singer (X-MEN) and screenwriters Michael Dougherty (X2: X-MEN UNITED) and Dan Harris (IMAGINARY HEROES) who have brought about the Man of Steel's return to theatres. The first challenge Singer faced was where to place his film in the franchise's chronological order. Instead of doing a number five or reboot (as director Christopher Nolan did with last year's BATMAN BEGINS), he opted for a clever, if complicated concept: set the film five years after the events of the first Reeve sequel, ignore the reviled third and fourth films, and create a new future for Superman on film. Singer's choice to do so is winning for two reasons. First, it allows the film to dive into the action and avoid explaining the character's extensive origin yet again and, second, it lifts a sizable burden off Singer's shoulders -- instead of being forced to design a new world for Superman to fly through, he can further expand, explore, and illuminate the one Donner and his team fashioned. As Singer's film opens, Superman (Brandon Routh, "One Life To Live") has just returned to Earth from outer space, where he spent half a decade searching for other survivors of the destruction of Krypton, his home planet. He lands in Smallville, Kansas, the rural area where his adoptive human mother (Eva Marie Saint, BECAUSE OF WINN-DIXIE) lives. After a brief relaxation period on her farm, he returns to Metropolis, the bustling DC Comics equivalent of the Big Apple. He slides with ease into his old routine: writing for The Daily Planet as his bumbling, introverted alter-ego and saving lives and thwarting villainous plots as a superhero. He finds, however, not everything in his life remained the same during his prolonged absence. The lover he left behind, Lois Lane (Kate Bosworth. BEE SEASON), has a new significant other, Richard White (James Marsden, X-MEN: THE LAST STAND), a son, Jason (Tristan Lake Leabu), and a Pulitzer Prize for a bitter article called "Why The World Doesn't Need Superman." And his archenemy, the flamboyant, sadistic Lex Luthor (Kevin Spacey, BEYOND THE SEA), has been released from the prison (because Superman failed to appear in court to testify) and is plotting the ultimate swindle, one which will leave him rich and countless innocents dead. As Superman battles to stop the diabolical plot, he must also establish a new relationship with Lois and find a place in a world which may no longer want him as its savior. Another challenge Singer faced was casting the role of Superman, knowing whoever was cast would be compared to the legendary Christopher Reeve on even the most minute of levels. In Brandon Routh, a virtual unknown who soap opera fans alone may've been aware of before his casting here, he's found an actor with a face and physique reminiscent of Reeve's and one with enough charm, screen presence, and style to shine through the long shadow Reeve casts. Kate Bosworth is also fantastic, retaining former actress Margot Kidder's high energy and adding a beautiful elegance to the role. Stealing the show is Kevin Spacey, who is grittier and more menacing than Gene Hackman was in the role. The supporting cast, including screen legend Eva Marie Saint as the woman who raised Superman, James Marsden as Lois' dedicated, loving new partner, and the scene-stealing, hilarious Parker Posey (BLADE: TRINITY) as Lex Luthor's sarcastic, not-so-mean-but-not-so-nice-either henchwoman, provide unblemished support to the three leads. Singer has also assembled a wonderful technical team for SUPERMAN RETURNS, including director of photography Newton Thomas Sigel (THE BROTHERS GRIMM). Sigel manages to give the film an old-fashioned appeal despite the storm of high-tech special effects. His shooting of the film recalls films from decades ago -- all rich shadows and film noir mood. As for the aforementioned special effects, they're among the most incredible ever seen in film, especially during a thrilling action sequence in which Superman must save a fiery plane falling out of the sky. "You will believe a man can fly" when you witness the superlative special effects -- many of which are near-photorealistic, yet still have a fantastic edginess and an otherworldy sheen. Special effects supervisor Neil Corbould (KINGDOM OF HEAVEN) and his team have done what might very well be one of the most impressive effects showings of all-time. Overall, SUPERMAN RETURNS is the best film of the year and the best superhero film of all-time. A crowd-pleasing epic which will capture imaginations and thrill people of all ages and genders, Singer's film is unmissable entertainment for anyone who considers themselves a fan of cinema. It's a spectacular explosion of creativity, intelligence, and superheroic fun I one-hundred-percent recommend. 10/10 (A+)
When I see someone give 10/10 and an "A+" to a movie, that indicates to me that it's PERFECT.. With that having been said, how can one claim this movie is really THAT perfect with all the plot holes and continuity fuc*ups in it??? For those giving this movie that high of a grade, I'm inclined to think you graded this with fanboy eyes and will be interesting to see week's from now if in fact this so called "A+" Grade really holds up..
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Bradley Witherberry
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excel wrote: this seems to be either dissapoointing or mind blowing.
Or mind blowingly disappointing...

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BJs Grade:
A-/B+
film was good, definately dragged in certain areas I was overall dissapointed with the lack of action since this is Superman. As I expected I thought Jimmy was the best fallowed by Lex. Routh and Boswroth are good they put up good performances, nothing more. I dont think this is one I would watch again anytime soon.
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bABA
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Well the more I think about it, the more I'm disliking it now. I enjoyed the basis of Lex's scheme. It was a good homage to Lex's intentions and his general dislike for Superman. It encompassed the fact that Luthor, while being evil, does not dictate his actions due to that reason. His problems are with Superman and an uncontrolled God flying in the air, not letting humanity rise up to its own challenges. He dislikes that Superman is a God that does not share. So he creates the island to advance mankind, yet at the same time, filling his ego and profitting from the endeavour, thus satisfying his evil schemes as well.
Then they go and do something that makes no sense.
An Island shows up in the middle of the water. No military is dispatched to cover it.
An EMP goes off. Its understandable that the news media doesn't want to cover it but one reporter is able to do it while an entire military, homeland defense does not investigate the matter at all. That's just annoying.
Then i also don't like the superman clark kent thing. they both show up at the same time. people even remark at their similarities. no one puts 2 and 2 together. in the past in the comics, they've given brilliant explanations for why no one recognises clark as superman. but with the coincidences taking place, i thought that was stretching it a bit toooo much!
Superhero identities is something films or media should never dwelve into. How Batman's identity is never revealed or investigated should never be filmed. Same with Spiderman and all other heroes. Because the minute you get into that, you're setting yourself up for too many plot holes. This time around in Superman, it was a bit too much.
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So the fact that this thread has already 3 pages shows us
-That it should have really good presale and midnightshow sells (also watching the already everywhere existing amount of reviews)
-Thats a movie the geeks are running for
-Most superherofans seems to like it
To bad I have to wait until August when I finally can also "nerd".
But I am happy to hear that quality seems right. And when even BKB doesnt trash it to hell....well it cant be that bad.
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bABA
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FILMOre McGilmore wrote: So the fact that this thread has already 3 pages shows us -That it should have really good presale and midnightshow sells (also watching the already everywhere existing amount of reviews)
the fans were out in full swing. I think we need to wait till the wednesday numbers to see how many people ACTUALLY saw it.
-Thats a movie the geeks are running for
The fans and the geeks seem to be enjoying it very much.
-Most superherofans seems to like it
I'd argue that. I think superhero fans are having as mixed a reaction to this film as any other person.
To bad I have to wait until August when I finally can also "nerd".
But I am happy to hear that quality seems right. And when even BKB doesnt trash it to hell....well it cant be that bad.
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