The 'Lost' Thread (Season 2)
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Malcolm
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I am coming dangerously close to writing Lost off, and that is saying something. It really seems to me that no one has any idea what is going on anymore (in regards to the writers) and it is feeling like a chore every wednesday, not something i look forward to.
They underuse just about all characters, kill people for no reason, and apparently introduce people just to kill them (arzt). Sun has done absolutely nothing all season except lose her wedding ring, find it again, get "kidnapped", and then get pregnant. I am so amazingly sick of the fact that they obviously have no idea what the term "regular" means. There is not one character who has been in every episode of the show, or even every ep of this season.
Very minor and vague cast spoiler for next season,
[spoil]Not to mention that they are just going to add more newbies next season so they have more to work with flashback wise as they don't plan on phasing out the flashbacks, they just plan on adding more new people and focusing less on the original cast. This is all according to lindelof and cuse, not my assumptions.[/spoil]
Why is it every time someone has a dream on this island they automatically decide that they have to do exactly what their dream said? Is anyone sane?
I don't want to be one of those people that just complains about a show they watch every week and then other people say "well, just stop watching" but i feel i am there already. I don't enjoy the show anymore, i am annoyed by it. They have dumbed down, killed, or just stopped using so many good characters from last season (Locke, Sayid, Kate, Sun, Shannon) and it is making me resentful. Sayid was in every single episode in season 1, but he has missed 4 or 5 of the 21 so far this season.
WHY IS JACK STILL ALIVE AND WHY DOES EVERYONE DO WHAT HE SAYS!??!?? In tonight's ep with his whole "when you find the trail come back and tell me" thing, and then ordering Kate to go with Sawyer. Why doesn't she just say no? Or Sawyer just go alone? Kate is not jack's property, she doesn't need to do a thing that he says, EVER.
As i typed this i have come to the decision that i am going to give Lost until the season premiere next season, and unless i am compelled to keep watching then i am done. I won't keep watching out of loyalty as i just find myself complaining about everything as soon as the ep is over.
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Thu May 11, 2006 1:33 am |
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A. G.
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The producers talk about why they killed Libby:
http://community.tvguide.com/forum.jspa ... =700000049
Ausiello: Why did you kill off Libby?
Carlton Cuse: We felt like we had run out of story for her. It happens. While we did develop the romance with her and Hurley, we didn't see enough in the way of avenues for where to go with that character. And we were starting to think about what sort of stories we were going to be telling for the characters in Season 3, and we just didn't have enough for Libby that we were excited about. That was on one side. On the other side, we thought, well, shooting Ana Lucia is going to be dramatic, but what will really make it incredible for the audience is that it'll be completely surprising if we shoot Libby, too. And it would be enhanced by the fact that Ana Lucia is not a particularly sympathetic character. But if we added Michael shooting Libby also, who is a very sympathetic character, that would really ratchet up the emotional stakes of the rest of the season.
Damon Lindelof: And all of this was obviously, first and foremost, the idea that Libby's got this mysterious backstory, of which we've only given you the tip of the iceberg. We know she's spent some time in the mental institution with Hurley, and the idea of killing her before she had an opportunity to explain how she got there, and letting the audience... we have a master plan for how we're going to tell that story, but it's all posthumous. You'll start to learn Libby's moves through flashbacks over the course of the next season. So we're not done with Cynthia, but Libby is dead.
Ausiello: So we'll see Cynthia next season?
Damon: You'll see her in the [May 24] finale, in fact.
Ausiello: But will we see her next season?
Damon: That's our plan.
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Thu May 11, 2006 1:43 am |
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Raffiki
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Tonight's episode was actually one of the strongest ones since the first third of the season and better than last week's.
I can't believe they killed off Libby. I'm actually more pissed now over that. Why did they kill her off? The excuse for Ana-Lucia was that she was always a one season characters... but they never said anything about Watros. And they must have decided to do so before writing or even airing "Dave" so it means she's still going to play some part in all of this, at least in flashbacks.
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Thu May 11, 2006 1:49 am |
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Squee
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Raffiki wrote: Tonight's episode was actually one of the strongest ones since the first third of the season and better than last week's.
I can't believe they killed off Libby. I'm actually more pissed now over that. Why did they kill her off? The excuse for Ana-Lucia was that she was always a one season characters... but they never said anything about Watros. And they must have decided to do so before writing or even airing "Dave" so it means she's still going to play some part in all of this, at least in flashbacks.
Me too...
Part of me thinks that a "miracle" will happen, because I just can't get why they killed her off, especially when they did that all dramatic reveal of her in the Psych Ward during the Hurley episode.
It just doesnt make sense to me.
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Thu May 11, 2006 2:29 am |
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Raffiki
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Archie Gates wrote: The producers talk about why they killed Libby: http://community.tvguide.com/forum.jspa ... =700000049Ausiello: Why did you kill off Libby? Carlton Cuse: We felt like we had run out of story for her. It happens. While we did develop the romance with her and Hurley, we didn't see enough in the way of avenues for where to go with that character. And we were starting to think about what sort of stories we were going to be telling for the characters in Season 3, and we just didn't have enough for Libby that we were excited about. That was on one side. On the other side, we thought, well, shooting Ana Lucia is going to be dramatic, but what will really make it incredible for the audience is that it'll be completely surprising if we shoot Libby, too. And it would be enhanced by the fact that Ana Lucia is not a particularly sympathetic character. But if we added Michael shooting Libby also, who is a very sympathetic character, that would really ratchet up the emotional stakes of the rest of the season. Damon Lindelof: And all of this was obviously, first and foremost, the idea that Libby's got this mysterious backstory, of which we've only given you the tip of the iceberg. We know she's spent some time in the mental institution with Hurley, and the idea of killing her before she had an opportunity to explain how she got there, and letting the audience... we have a master plan for how we're going to tell that story, but it's all posthumous. You'll start to learn Libby's moves through flashbacks over the course of the next season. So we're not done with Cynthia, but Libby is dead. Ausiello: So we'll see Cynthia next season? Damon: You'll see her in the [May 24] finale, in fact. Ausiello: But will we see her next season? Damon: That's our plan.
I actually didn't read this before posting what I said just below it.
I'm pumped as hell after reading this.
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Thu May 11, 2006 2:45 am |
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trixster
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I guess Libby's gonna wander in and out of everyone else's flashbacks. We've already seen her in Hurley's and Eko's. I guess she's going through everyone else's now as well.
I'll wait to see how this turns out.
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Thu May 11, 2006 2:59 am |
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bABA
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Why Lost has bad writing:
a) Sawyer hates Jack and Locke. I fial to see why sawyer agreed to take Kate along with him. I just don't understand. It makes no sense at all.
b) So Sawyer hid everything in his cabin house. Umm .. correct me if I'm wrong but Sawyer lives around a lot of people. And the night the stuff was stolen, people were, indeed, in their camps. No one saw Sawyer carrying a bunch of weapons and meds into his place?
Lost sucks.
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Thu May 11, 2006 7:15 am |
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A. G.
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The whole Sawyer character has been handled weirdly this season. The Sawyer Kate relationship makes no sense based on how Sawyer has treated her other than the fact that he's good looking, which ends up making Kate look kind of slutty compared to how she seemed in season one.
But on the other hand, they don't have guys with mcdonald's drive through headsets introduced in the last few episodes, controlling everything when we'd never been told they exist before. Or people hurtling over cliffs in a car and being fine afterwards.
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Thu May 11, 2006 8:12 am |
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bABA
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Archie Gates wrote: The whole Sawyer character has been handled weirdly this season. The Sawyer Kate relationship makes no sense based on how Sawyer has treated her other than the fact that he's good looking, which ends up making Kate look kind of slutty compared to how she seemed in season one.
But on the other hand, they don't have guys with mcdonald's drive through headsets introduced in the last few episodes, controlling everything when we'd never been told they exist before. Or people hurtling over cliffs in a car and being fine afterwards.
24 has always been unbelievable ... and campy. they know it and they play upon it. hence forgivable. the fact that an entire crisis takes 23 and a half hours to solve everytime with the major stuff happening at the end of the hour is enough evidence of its gimmick nature and campiness.
Lost .. no such excuse.
I dont like Eko anymore. his little revelation is quite stupid.
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Thu May 11, 2006 8:31 am |
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Snrub
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bABALINA wrote: I dont like Eko anymore. his little revelation is quite stupid.
Me neither. His reasoning behind the importance of the button pushing was the most retarded thing I've ever heard.
The second most retarded I've ever heard was Jack responding to Libby's anguished cry of "Michael!" with "Michael's fine!". There's too many loose ends to just assume Henry Gale escaped by himself. These characters are idiots.
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Thu May 11, 2006 12:43 pm |
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Raffiki
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wow
you guys need to chill
I also am disappointed here and there and see a bunch of plot and character holes but it's not like anything else on primetime is better (better in the sense of useful or more meaningful not in terms of quality writing/acting).
Alias is way more exciting now just because they can do whatever the fuck they want 
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Thu May 11, 2006 1:55 pm |
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Bodrul
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Snrub wrote: bABALINA wrote: I dont like Eko anymore. his little revelation is quite stupid. The second most retarded I've ever heard was Jack responding to Libby's anguished cry of "Michael!" with "Michael's fine!". There's too many loose ends to just assume Henry Gale escaped by himself. These characters are idiots.
What did you expect him to say?
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Thu May 11, 2006 2:06 pm |
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trixster
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The thing about Libby saying "Michael" and then Jack stupidly saying "Michael's fine" is that you know that's what he's going to say. That's just bad writing. The thing is, if they thought about it, how would Libby know that Michael's been shot? Michael got shot after them, right? (according to his statement) So if they really thought about it, they would know that Michael's not telling the whole truth.
I suspect that Sayid will bring this up next week, you can see him in the preview speculating that Michael's been lying to them. Sayid seems like the only one with any brains on the island; Jack's unbelievably stupid.
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Thu May 11, 2006 2:19 pm |
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trixster wrote: The thing about Libby saying "Michael" and then Jack stupidly saying "Michael's fine" is that you know that's what he's going to say. That's just bad writing. The thing is, if they thought about it, how would Libby know that Michael's been shot? Michael got shot after them, right? (according to his statement) So if they really thought about it, they would know that Michael's not telling the whole truth.
I suspect that Sayid will bring this up next week, you can see him in the preview speculating that Michael's been lying to them. Sayid seems like the only one with any brains on the island; Jack's unbelievably stupid.
I hope this whole "no one finds out about Michael killing Ana Lucia and Libby" thing isn't dragged out for like 4 seasons because Libby was unable to utter the words "shot me" before she expired.
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Thu May 11, 2006 2:56 pm |
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I love Lost but I still found this to be pretty funny: http://video.msn.com/v/us/v.htm?g=6daf1 ... 64&fg=copy
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Thu May 11, 2006 3:31 pm |
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He's pretty much right about everything. I agree that at this point i would love the show to just end in an amazing way so that it doesn't drag on for another 3 years and bore/anger me to the point where i have to stop watching. Drew Goddard is joining the writing staff next year, but he isn't the head writer so he can't make that many improvements.
I think it is painfully clear that Damon Lindelof and Carlton Cuse have no idea how to run this show without JJ's assistance. I don't mean that JJ is all powerful or anything, but that he can at least pace a season correctly and strategically place the shock moments throughout a season so that it isn't 6 episodes of nothing and then 1 ep that he 4 big revelations.
I miss Joss Whedon's shows...
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Thu May 11, 2006 3:39 pm |
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trixster
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Libs wrote: trixster wrote: The thing about Libby saying "Michael" and then Jack stupidly saying "Michael's fine" is that you know that's what he's going to say. That's just bad writing. The thing is, if they thought about it, how would Libby know that Michael's been shot? Michael got shot after them, right? (according to his statement) So if they really thought about it, they would know that Michael's not telling the whole truth.
I suspect that Sayid will bring this up next week, you can see him in the preview speculating that Michael's been lying to them. Sayid seems like the only one with any brains on the island; Jack's unbelievably stupid. I hope this whole "no one finds out about Michael killing Ana Lucia and Libby" thing isn't dragged out for like 4 seasons because Libby was unable to utter the words "shot me" before she expired.
I think Michael will either die in the finale or disappear; in any case, I don't think he'll be back next season. Once they find Henry Gale again (which should be in the finale), they'll know that Michael was actually the one who killed Ana & Libby, and so they'll either kill him (it'd be interesting if they got Hurley to kill him in a fit of revenge) or he'll leave and go stay with the Others. In any case, I doubt this season will end without them finding out the truth. It'd suck if they dragged out the suspense for all of next season.
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Thu May 11, 2006 3:57 pm |
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Snrub
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hans wrote: Snrub wrote: bABALINA wrote: I dont like Eko anymore. his little revelation is quite stupid. The second most retarded I've ever heard was Jack responding to Libby's anguished cry of "Michael!" with "Michael's fine!". There's too many loose ends to just assume Henry Gale escaped by himself. These characters are idiots. What did you expect him to say?
"Isn't it odd that she chose her last word to be Michael? Why didn't she say Ana Lucia, for that matter? Come to think of it, it was kind of convenient that Michael was only wounded perfunctorily when the others were clearly shot to kill. You'd assume Michael would be the most threatening of the three to Gale, I mean, Libby was still clutching the blankets when she was shot, she didn't even have time to drop what she was doing before two shots were fired into her. Yet Michael got away fully conscious and physically able... hmmm..."
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Thu May 11, 2006 6:25 pm |
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A. G.
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Snrub wrote: hans wrote: Snrub wrote: bABALINA wrote: I dont like Eko anymore. his little revelation is quite stupid. The second most retarded I've ever heard was Jack responding to Libby's anguished cry of "Michael!" with "Michael's fine!". There's too many loose ends to just assume Henry Gale escaped by himself. These characters are idiots. What did you expect him to say? "Isn't it odd that she chose her last word to be Michael? Why didn't she say Ana Lucia, for that matter? Come to think of it, it was kind of convenient that Michael was only wounded perfunctorily when the others were clearly shot to kill. You'd assume Michael would be the most threatening of the three to Gale, I mean, Libby was still clutching the blankets when she was shot, she didn't even have time to drop what she was doing before two shots were fired into her. Yet Michael got away fully conscious and physically able... hmmm..." *gasps for one last breath* "And don't you think it's also odd that Ana was the only one of the three people shot who knew the combination yet she was sitting down in a chair when killed? What the hell is wrong with you Jack? I wish the doctor who crashed on our island had been Gregory House. He'd have summoned everyone and barked: 'Differential diagnosis, tell me ideas, I don't care how far fetched they are', to which Kate would have said 'We don't really know what happened, and even if Michael is telling the truth, he might not fully know what happened either' House: 'That's ridiculous! I like it! What else?' Locke: 'Ana Lucia is a former police officer, she is trained to handle suspects bigger and stronger than she is, whoever did this must have gotten the jump on her, perhaps because she trusted them.' House: 'Outrageous! Good work' Sun: 'So which idea do we check?' House: 'Check them all, and while you're at it scan the island to make sure there isn't a Sheraton on the other side.' Sayid: 'What should I do?' House: 'Make me a Slurpee, there must be something to the stereotype.'
If only....
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Thu May 11, 2006 6:53 pm |
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Snrub
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Archie Gates wrote: Snrub wrote: hans wrote: Snrub wrote: bABALINA wrote: I dont like Eko anymore. his little revelation is quite stupid. The second most retarded I've ever heard was Jack responding to Libby's anguished cry of "Michael!" with "Michael's fine!". There's too many loose ends to just assume Henry Gale escaped by himself. These characters are idiots. What did you expect him to say? "Isn't it odd that she chose her last word to be Michael? Why didn't she say Ana Lucia, for that matter? Come to think of it, it was kind of convenient that Michael was only wounded perfunctorily when the others were clearly shot to kill. You'd assume Michael would be the most threatening of the three to Gale, I mean, Libby was still clutching the blankets when she was shot, she didn't even have time to drop what she was doing before two shots were fired into her. Yet Michael got away fully conscious and physically able... hmmm..." *gasps for one last breath* "And don't you think it's also odd that Ana was the only one of the three people shot who knew the combination yet she was sitting down in a chair when killed? What the hell is wrong with you Jack? I wish the doctor who crashed on our island had been Gregory House. He'd have summoned everyone and barked: 'Differential diagnosis, tell me ideas, I don't care how far fetched they are', to which Kate would have said 'We don't really know what happened, and even if Michael is telling the truth, he might not fully know what happened either' House: 'That's ridiculous! I like it! What else?' Locke: 'Ana Lucia is a former police officer, she is trained to handle suspects bigger and stronger than she is, whoever did this must have gotten the jump on her, perhaps because she trusted them.' House: 'Outrageous! Good work' Sun: 'So which idea do we check?' House: 'Check them all, and while you're at it scan the island to make sure there isn't a Sheraton on the other side.' Sayid: 'What should I do?' House: 'Make me a Slurpee, there must be something to the stereotype.' If only....
I like it! 
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Thu May 11, 2006 7:10 pm |
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I love "Lost", and you all have to deal with it.
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Thu May 11, 2006 7:13 pm |
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Dr. Lecter
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Decent episode. It actually started off excellently, but faded in the seconds half. Eko's explanation for the importance of the "work" was really rather stupid.
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Thu May 11, 2006 8:16 pm |
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Timayd
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Dr. Lecter wrote: Decent episode. It actually started off excellently, but faded in the seconds half. Eko's explanation for the importance of the "work" was really rather stupid.
Yeah I agree, besides Hurly with Libby at the end the second half was lacking.
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Thu May 11, 2006 8:26 pm |
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Bodrul
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Snrub wrote: hans wrote: Snrub wrote: bABALINA wrote: I dont like Eko anymore. his little revelation is quite stupid. The second most retarded I've ever heard was Jack responding to Libby's anguished cry of "Michael!" with "Michael's fine!". There's too many loose ends to just assume Henry Gale escaped by himself. These characters are idiots. What did you expect him to say? "Isn't it odd that she chose her last word to be Michael? Why didn't she say Ana Lucia, for that matter? Come to think of it, it was kind of convenient that Michael was only wounded perfunctorily when the others were clearly shot to kill. You'd assume Michael would be the most threatening of the three to Gale, I mean, Libby was still clutching the blankets when she was shot, she didn't even have time to drop what she was doing before two shots were fired into her. Yet Michael got away fully conscious and physically able... hmmm..."
Well a restrained Henry almost killed Ana Lucia, also when Michael opened the door, wasnt Henry standing up unshackled? Ie. Locke didnt tie him up, so if the door was opened he could easily escape. Jack had no reason to doubt what Michael had told him, as it all fitted in quite well.
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Bodrul
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The "?" place, was that the tv room where Eko + Locke were? So there are 6 hatches in total, 3 have already been revealed, so another 3 remain. I bet there are regular (as in non-other) people working the remaining hatches, as the new cast members for next season.
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