The film is ambigous about whether Denzel is honest, and I liked that. Certainly his partner seemed to believe he was innocent, I loved his partner reaction when he found out Denzel had been promoted and had made a deal. I thikn the film implies Denzel's chracter is not entirely clean, which is a realistic protrayal. I grew up living a cop and knew alot of cops, I don't any of them thought the ever did anything wrong, but many cops often cross the line of what is legal to do what they think is right.

The consulate should have sent someone over yes, but I'm willing to give films some leeway. Though myabe the ocnsulate not sending someone was a commentary on red tape.




Have you ever met any children, yes they do say things like I'm 9 and 1/2.



It did in fact sound to much like a recording, but I took as not hte cops are stupid but the cops are in a certain mindset and the thoguht jsut didn't occur to them. They were to focused on what thel anguage was and not on other details. We are in a film about a heist, and we know Clive Owen is the robber, we have some extra info.

Still though, i agree the film should have done better to disguise the recording.



They have to have jurisdiction over what happened, during 9/11 it was NYC cops and fireman who were on the scene after as well. Tihs is a robbery in NYC, the NYPD is the force responisble for dealing with it. Whoc ares if they askf or plane, the whole point of asking for plane was to hihglight how robbers know there demands are going to be met. But having FBI come to scene would have made sense.



Did you miss the interrogation part, the robbers wanted to confuse the hostages, which clearly worked. I didn't realize robbres needed to hand out memos. By moving them around alot it was easier to do this. And the split by gender whent hey had them change, which makes sense. This is just nickpicking to nitpick with this complaint.



Huh, to blame how, well she did get the mayor involved, and she explained Plummer's position to Owen and did what she could.



You do need to secure the scene and peace cops around the perimeter, pretty basic first step.



They tell you in the movie, its his toliet.

Very stylish and intelligent. I generally liked everything about the film. B+

You're right, but that's a freakin' lot of digging for just a toilet. Especially, when the open sewer pipe would smell as bad, or probably a lot worse than if he had gone to the washroom in a sealed bucket for the week. Nonetheless, I can live with it as a red herring - but still, it would have been cool if they'd sent the diamonds out on a remote control robot through the pipe - I could see some nice robot POV shots as Clive Owen maneuvers it to an exit drain on the East River...

Maybe, but in the end I was swweating these little detials since the overall film worked for me.

Wow, everyone is trying really hard to find a plothole, although everything listed so far has either arisen from you not paying attention to the film, or they really aren't real plotholes, in my opinion. I get a little tired of everything having to be spelled out for everyone. There's nothing in the film that is a blatant mistake or anything truly important that was missed. All I see are nitpicks about little things that people didn't like. Yeah, maybe you didn't like something, but passing it off as a "major plothole" is such a tired old way of putting down a film. Meh. Just my opinion, of course. A lot of things could always be done differently, and I can admit when there are plotholes, but I think trying to tackle this film down in terms of plotholes is such a silly thing to do. There are films with real plotholes far more worthy of that.

Anyways, I very much enjoyed the film. You've got solid acting and directing, a unique approach, I was always enthralled (meaning I was never bored), you've got humour, thrill and drama all mixed together, and I personally love the little Spike Lee social commentaries. They add a little something to the film. The only thing I can outright denounce is the score. Uh, yeah, I didn't like it at all (I'm not talking about the music played at the beginning, the actual score). It was okay, in that it wasn't a bad score, per se, but I thought it was used poorly and way too overbearing. Less is usually more, when it comes to scores at least, in my opinion. I'd rather have a minimal score than an overbearing one.

B+

PEACE, Mike.

Why's everyone assume it was him? I have to say, it probably wasn't explained because Lee might not know himself. There's a sixty year tradition already of men and women who dedicated their lives to find just such documents, and alot olf their methods are clearly not known to everyone...not even famous directors.

I had no problem with it never being explained, actually.

Lee might not know > was this a real story?

I disagree with you on the film, but I really agree with you on this. In certain movies it's the case, but I do think people try to nitpick and find plotholes that are not there for some movies that they didn't like for other reasons.

B+, an entertaining movie with smart characters.

A-.

Finally a real winner. I've decided Jodie Foster is my favorite actress, even though she wasn't really exceptional. Great, but not exceptional. Actually, the whole cast was above average. Lee did a great job with this old "joint".... it truly is the best bank heist film since Dog Day Afternoon.

A+
a brilliant,awsome film.
dug the shit outta that bollywood hip/hop remix song. so much that i'm getting the soundtrack.

The original song is called CHAIYA CHAIYA.

Song

Please help my sister out. She doesn't understand the ending

[b]well see this movie had a plot for a bank robbery, so we figured by the end of it that the robber was actually in there to get hold of some evidence to expose the owner of the bank. Well, it looks like thats what happened and the robber escaped, but i still dont understand what he did with that evidence or what the police officer did in trying to solve the mystery. It ends abruptly, with the detective looking at a ring and making a comment like he just figured something out!
by the way, its title song is 'chayya chayya'.....isnt that strange!!
anyway, if u could just find out what the plot really was...........[b]

This was karl's initial reply to her.



She replied back to me



assistance is appreciated

Denzel realized that the man who bumped him, robbed the bank.

Denzel didn't really care, because he got promoted and since nothign was stolen from the bank, no one really seemed to care.

Clive will take the papers that the Owner of the bank had in the box, and blackmail the living hell out of him, for millions on millions of dollars. Thus it is the perfect murder because he doesn't even rob the bank. He robs something that doesn't exist.

The ending is a twist because you realize that more than just 4 people were in on the robbery, a lot of the people in the bank were also in on the robbery. Since there were '4' robbers, they could each provide alibies for each other. Though you kinda knew this a while in as well.

The detective became a hero because the detective figured out that the bank owner was a nazi, and thus they would do whatever the hell he wanted to keep him quiet.

What was the story on the ring? Was that just to confuse the authorities?
and why does denzel get promoted???? what did he do??? They show that he was trying to get to the bottom of it to prove his capabilities, but obviously that didnt happen. anyway, although it was a really interesting movie, some things about it just dont make any sense. like for instance, why the hell did the robber complicate this so much!!

I officially don't like bABA's sister...

bABA, you have a very smart sister.

The ending is flashy and does gloss over the inadequacies of the script as far as some people are concerned.

This is way more thinking than this movie deserves. It was a nice little heist movie, that they forgot to write an ending for. Nothing more.

Um, no. Clive is not blackmailing him. He leaves the ring in the lockbox with the message to follow it full well knowing Denzel is thorough and trace it back to the War Crimes. In fact, when Denzel goes to visit the Mayor and Jodie, he already tells them he's figured out its from the WWII. Clive spends alot of time in the film pondering if he's being a criminal, and ultimtely settles on not being one as he hasn't killed anyone, or stolen anything, except for some non-existent papers and jewelry from a non-existent lock box. Which coincidentally, he doesn' do for profit (as far as the papers) put to make them finally existent. This is accomplished by putting Denzel on their (the papers) trail. Clive keeps the papers for safe-keeping, full well knowing Denzel is going to break to the press the story. Clive just wanted to make sure the proof didn't "dissappear" due to Ms. Foster or her clients measures.

Denzel knows Clive was the man who did it, after the bump, but he doesn't care not because "nothing is missing" but because he already knows events have been set into motion that will break in newspapers. He also had his promotion, finally.

probably since if was a non-numbered Box and no proof of a theft, there is nothing left to follow.

and the ring did point him to the bank president

but Clive did clean up, remember the diamond that he "gave" to Denzil > he probably got about 1000 of those diamonds.

Remember when he first went into the box there were about 10 pouches of those diamonds > and they all were taken.

He didn't want to blackmail the Bank's President, that is why he left the ring for the cops.

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Also thinking about the Blackmail issue, if Denzil was a dirty cop, he could have taken that ring > so maybe we can give him the credit of being a pretty honest cop.

hhahhahahahah, baba's "sister" doesn/'t get it, that's great.


PS, they robbed about ten bags of diamonds, too. (i stopped reading a few posts ago, im not sure if eagle ever mentioned that.)