I was in my Philosophy class today and my professor started going off about John Locke... the philosopher.

I found an interesting thing... John Locke the Philosopher suggests that "all that is needed for your survival is for one to be able to remember your past thoughts and feelings."

I like how Lost uses his theory

wake me up when the Lost from season 1 returns.

minus the lame poker game, this was pretty close to a season 1'er

You know it'll be season 1 style again when they break out the bathing suits and montages set to soft rock.

Good gravy, who in the world thought it would be a good idea to show some lame poker game instead of what was going on with the hot air balloon? I got more frustrated as the episode went on, and we continued to hear nothing from that side of the island. Sorry but I don't really care who has the most mangos or neosporin, or how often Kate showers, or how Hurley feels left out (awwwww), it's not that interesting and way too high school. Take it to the WB.

Locke's flashback was kinda dull, the only highlight was seeing Katey Sagal show her dramatic chops again. Damn she's good. The plotline with him and Henry Gale was pretty intriguing, if a bit redundant after awhile. At least the episode ended with a bang, but really the poker crap should have been completely excised and the Locke/Gale stuff could have been condensed to about 15 minutes. Too. much. filler.

I don't know if I've commented on it yet but I really enjoyed Claire's recent flashback episode (to something that actually happened on the island!). If they insist on having flashbacks, that is what they should continue doing, somehow. The one last week was pretty decent if not earth shattering, but this week's was a big old blah episode overall.

Good episode. Locke's flashback was a bit weak though. Would have liked to know what the connection between him and Sawyer was (there was supposed to be one). Is it just the con artist aspect? Also, we still don't know how Locke lost the use of his legs. I guess we'll have to wait until next season.

Some other things:
- Who buried the real Henry Gale? Because it looks like he was alone, and someone went to a lot of trouble to bury him and make a cross. Was it just the fake Henry Gale trying to make his story complete? In that vein, how did the real Henry Gale die? Did the others kill him?
- I think that parachute was some sort of food drop for whoever's in the hatch, and the lockdown was because of that as well. Maybe it locks down so whoever's in the hatch can't get out and see the plane?
- Looks like Sawyer lost on purpose, but why? So he could give back the medicine without losing his dignity? But, then, how would he know that Jack would ask for the medicine and not the guns?
- I guess we'll never know if Henry really did punch the numbers in or not. I think the timer did run down, though, because we heard that machine warming up again. Looks like all it does is turn the blue light on.
- They didn't show any more that happened with Sayid et al. after the beginning because they needed the twist at the end. Showing Sayid digging up the grave, etc. would have given it away.

I'm liking the direction this show is going. They could easily make this a full-fledged character drama, but the mysteries just keep building up. A lot more than season 1.

I am really looking forward to next episode. It looks like the Hurley/Libby connections will come all out.

[spoil]It is rumored that Locke's dad is in fact Sawyer. The man who conned Sawyer's mom and dad and caused his dad to go on a rampage in which he killed his wife and himself. Tonight was a BIG step in that direction.[/spoil]


Well... I think we have enough pieces where we can draw conclusions that it might have something to do with the men who were after Locke's father. I doubt we've seen the end of him.

Tonight, IMO, went a long way towards fleshing out Locke's character a bit. I think there was some critisism that Locke wouldn't have hit Charlie, or some of the off kilter things he does. I think it's starting to establish that Locke makes REALLY BAD choices. Just as the use of his legs fades in and out, it looks like the confidence and stride that the island gives him fades in and out too. Really he's just insecure.


Maybe, but it wouldn't explain why nobody else on the island wouldn't have heard it this time. The island is probably only a couple miles wide at most, and I can hear jets (in a busy city) from that distance. So there's obviously something else going on (well... duh it's Lost )


Sawyer always loses on purpose. He can't just do the right thing because that would make him look weak, but he can lose to the Doc, or not pursue him past a certain point. Sawyer is full of shit, but he's a realist. He knows why people need things and will give them as long as his ego is satisfied.


I suspect the game would be much more tense and tight if Jack had been asking for the guns. They were playing with the medicine on the table.


Maybe the parachute has something to do with the numbers running down? Just a thought.

That, to me, was the give away. Henry sure knew those numbers.


Every time that timer goes off I'm glued to the TV. I'm hooked, I can't help it.

The food and the hatch that people have been complaining about are obviously carrots that are being dangled in front of the castaways. People said it's made their lives "easier", but I'm not so sure.

Next week looks like absolute chaos.

Like many have pointed out, the problem with this season has been the broad character arcs the show covers (for example, the recent Sawyer becoming the badass, Charlie becoming evil, etc.) then ditching them completely.

Tonight's episode did a better job at not really falling into that trap. And I did find it enjoyable.

But I'm still waiting for a GREAT episode. We haven't gotten one in a long, long time.

To be pedantic, the horse is from season 2 and the smoke monter goes all the way back to the pilot, but whatever.

Nope, because Dharma wouldn't want to risk a lockdown when the timer runs out.
I care about kate showering.

I think it was more a tool to build suspense, rather than filler. Besides, if you put all the good stuff in the begining, where is there to go?

as people asked about the poker game........... wasn't the Poker Game to be an ego stroker to Jack to show how great Jack is.

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also as I don't think it has been discussed > any guesses on what Henry Gale was doing when he was out of sight > as LOcke asked what did he do. and did he open the doors.

as he isn't HG, think he wasn't just entering the numbers on the computer as he said.

Using the computer to talk to his Other friends.

By the way, was that Sayid's long lost love? The woman with a Sayidish accent that Locke was talking to.

Bet Locke feel stupid now for not listening to Jack at the start of this season. One would imagine some of them would have some common sense not to listen crazy Desmond, not to listen guy from Orientation movie, especially on that island. Island with smoke monsters, polar bears, horses, and damn annoying frogs. Plus, they'll get a great rave setting.

Character development stopped some time ago, now characters are regressing. No wonder Terry O'Quinn is frustrated.

"Look John, I know what I did was wrong..."
"You stole my kidney!"
"I was dying."
"You could've ask me...you could've just ask me!"

What the hell was that? He did ask you John, and you gave him a kidney. Wasn't the problem just that he ran away from John afterwards, not to have anything to do with him?

Nadia was shown, fantastic. You guys are all connected, we get it...well not all, just the leads that also have most input what to do on island.

Creators should just have made them to survive the crash, those 30 some others have no purpose at all. Disinterested, and unworrisome, just like Eloi on whom I wish Morlocks will feast upon soon.

Though, we got some great things, like poker game.

And much more to look for! Jack's trip to Thailand, Sawyer's to Tallahasee.

More or less, most episodes lately are filled with solid moments (everything to do with Gale and Locke) wrapped in mediocre subplots (the poker game). And for me, the solid moments outweigh the time-fillers.

And, the poker game wasn't nearly as fun as that one time they all played golf last season.

They didnt have a flashback of how Jack learned to play poker so well......

I lovd the episode. What bothers me is that Locke seems to be getting more and more stupid throughout the show. Other than that, I have no complaints about the episode. The interacting between Jack and Sawyer is usually great, so I didn't mind the poker game. The ending was great, obviously.

I don't think so.

I feel it was just badly written. Sawyer played like an idiot there and if we noticed that, Jack should've too. Yet no mention of that. They acted like it was a perfectly normal hand, rather than obvious letting go, or obvious lousy play. Think one of them would say something about it.

EDIT: Added something, removed something.

I just watched part of the episode again. Henry Gale repeated those numbers back all too quickly. They mean something to him.

The worst part about "Lost" (and this complaint comes from someone who listens to his fellow KJers complaints all too often) is that Locke will mention this, and the select group (Jack, Kate, Sayid) will know about it and discuss it for the next five or six episodes, before they decide to find out what the hell the map is. Or, in Jack's case, he's going to question whether or not Locke saw any map.

"I don't know, John. It sounds like you were hallucinating from the tension and the pain in your leg."
"Are you saying I didn't see a map, Jack?"
"No... I'm just saying that the situation could have triggered images that weren't really there, John. Let me ask you... what were you doing underneath the door? Why did Gale type in the numbers for you? Do you have an answer for that, John?"

Oops, getting a little carried away here.

@X: I laughed, the characters are so disctinct from each other that we could practically write our own scripts.

As for next week, juding from the coming attractions it looks like [spoil]Libby or Hurley will die, most likely Libby.[/spoil]

Just a guess.

[spoil]My impression is that Hurley remembers Libby from, that she was a patient at the institution, and is pretending to be a clinical psychologist (since she saw so many), and she doesn't want Hurley to tell her secret, so will try pushing him off the cliff, but he won't fall. They would never get rid of Libby before giving her a backstory... [/spoil]

If someone dies it will be

[spoil]Gale. He's only contracted for 5 episodes[/spoil]

Exactly! I was just thinking in my mind about dialogue from Hurley, Ana-Lucia, and Kate, and it's easy as hell. The dialogue is easy. The story is hard, though.

Anyway, I just found out Michael Emerson was in "SAW". Makes sense.

Oh and just a thought that I got during reading this thread...

I am surprised that so many people here complain about Lost on weekly basis for, hm, the last ten episodes or so andhave little positive to say about it...yet they keep watching the show. I really gotta wonder why. Normally when I see that a show starts sucking, I stop watching it, like I did eventually with the X-Files.

You really noticed it just now? Hehe. He played Zep in the first film.