people who were disturbed by it just make it out to be way worse than it actually was i guess. they probably watched a second of it, then turned away, then just made stuff up that really didn't happen. hence, the anal rape and penetration comments.

Hmmm, I could have sworn there was anal rape going on but I might be wrong. I wasn't looking away or closing my eyes or anything like that, nor do I believe the scene was offensive or all that disturbing. I think jarring may be the best way to describe it, since it's really the first scene where the movie goes to another level. But the part where I thought I saw something like that clearly going on (no visible penetration, but the guy with his pants down grinding up against her) is when the other mutant is holding a gun to the baby's head. It's in the background, and I imagine most people were focused on what was happening in the foreground. If I'm totally imagining this then I may have to up my grade a tad, it's not every movie that convinces me that something like that happened when it didn't so I must have been disturbed to some minor degree to believe it did. but regardless of that I still think the movie sucks

Okay, so I saw it again this afternoon, and I made sure to pay special attention to the supposed rape scene. I say supposed because THERE IS NO FUCKING RAPE SCENE. Seriously, all you see is Lizard go to take off his pants, and then it cuts away to the rest of the family trying to put out Big Bob's fire. When we come back to the trailer, Lizard is holding the baby and no longer concerned with the girl. Pluto is holding her down, but nothing sexual is taking place. I repeat, THERE IS NO RAPE SCENE IN THIS MOVIE. Everything you may have heard about how graphic it is is complete and utter bullshit. People are disturbed by the scene, and jump to conclusions in their mind and create images that were never in the film. Again, that is the mark of a truly great horror film, which this is. The unrated cut may be a different story, but the version released to theaters does not have a rape scene. End of discussion.

I'll need to see it again as well. Ever since this idiotic discussion began, I've been wanting to watch that one scene over.

how 'bout them apples BKB?

Watch it, if you watch that scene over again, BKB would think you are in fact condoning rape

I'll take makeshift's word for it, I apologize for egging the rape discussion on by throwing in some extra non-existent caveat! There's something else entirely that can be said for what actions are implied by that scene but it's best to let this dog of a discussion die.

The director did do something right if a short scene like that, where what was about to occur was fairly obvious to anyone who had seen the original, is stirring up so much chatter. Better to cause a reaction of any sort than leave the viewer feeling indifferent, I think.

I completely agree.

Now wait a minute here.. Exactly, what are these quotes I'm reading from reviews around the net, not just CHUD and RT to, about the descriptions of this Rape scene I've posted??? Funny how in your 2nd viewing, were not getting the Boob sucking scene either.. Does that not exist anymore in your 2nd viewing or what??? I mean, how could your description from a 2nd viewing be so vastly different, almost a 360 degree turnaround in describing this scene than what every other review I've read describes it?? Are you saying that you now saw a completely different cut of this movie than what you previously described otr what I've read from about a dozen reviews or so I posted??? Just How many cuts of this movie are circulating at theatres??

Maybe Devin from Chud saw the unrated version, theres a possibilty they cut a couple things out of it, making sure it wont get an NC-17.

I don't even know why I'm bothering, but...

First of all, read through my posts. I've never once described the rape scene in graphic detail, because I never remembered it being that graphic to begin with. My second viewing simply confirmed this.

Second, there is one cut of the film in theaters right now. ONE.

Third, the breast milk scene was still in the film. My post was directly regarding the "rape" scene.

Fourth, I've already explained why people are going around spewing a bunch of BS about the rape scene. They honestly believe that they saw what they're saying they did. The disturbing nature of the film tricked people into thinking they were seeing something far more graphic than they actually were. It's a fairly common occurence with horror films.

Ok, that's a possibility I'll buy..

Just went to Chud's Hills Have Eyes Thread and what do you know, the genius that is me was right.

From Devin:

http://chud.com/forums/showthread.php?t=88900

Well, that is quite a bit of a difference right there. A whole minute of rape cut? If anyone thinks the rape scene they saw in theaters was bad, you'd probably wanna kill yourself after seeing the uncut version.

Hmm...

Reading through that thread was pretty interesting. Apparently Devin thinks it's a pro-war on terror film, and I couldn't agree less.

He does make an interesting point here, though: "The film is heavy in political allegory, referencing the modern war on terror without really coming down as being right or left. I think both sides of the aisle can watch this film and identify with the politics..."

I can sort of agree with that, but I feel the film is decidedly left leaning. I really don't think it's trying to say anything on the war on terror. It has it's sights set on gun control and the habit America has of ignoring it's atrocities. And it comes down left on both issues, no question. I just didn't see the war on terror parallels he is trying to draw up.

I did enjoy how he pointed out that the hamfisted nature of the score in the 3rd act was completely thought out and intentional. I thought I was the only one who picked up on that. Aja is clearly trying to draw parallels between Doug's character and the stereotypical tough guy out of American Western films. I'm just not sure Aja is playing nice with the comparison, though. I think the film is overwhelming cynical in it's viewpoint towards American culture.

This post was the one I was referring to:

"The blaring music was obviously part of a larger point that Aja is making. I don't seriously think that he is making the pro-war on terror film I described above, but he IS making statements on American violence and masculinity. The film's score has many nods to Western music - it's completely purposeful.

Whether you liked or appreciated that aside, it isn't like that stuff was done out of cheesiness or incompetence. Both this and HIGH TENSION are genre deconstructions, but rather than deconstruct to ridicule, like SCREAM, Aja is taking the genres apart to look at their most primal, basic aspects, and to try and do something with them.

The backstory of the mutants is interesting when layered with the Western music and hokey triumph because these guys were doing what Western heroes always do - trying to live free or die. The family in the RV represents the weaker breed of Americans, the watering down of the West. "Imagine what the first people to cross this desert thought," Ted Levine says, and we're suppose to realize that they sure didn't do it with a mobile home."

I love the fact that a horror film, a genre that is criticized so often for being intellectually hollow (and unfairly so), is stirring this kind of debate.

Mini Review

Spoilers!!!!!!!!!!

The Hills Have Eyes is the best horror film of 2006 thus far. Alexander Aja (High Tension B+) is a gifted director and goes balls out in this remake of the shitty craven flick The Hills Have Eyes and pumps it up with steroids offering more guts, pulse pounding thrills, and a kick ass time at the movies. The opening sequence is awesome and violent and the movie only gets better from there with a realistic look at how a family interacts while traveling all together... Now introducing the mutants and we have ourselves one hell of a movie. All in all The Hills Have Eyes offers a lot of blood, deaths and tension, but it’s not a perfect movie as it indeed has its flaws. How many beatings can Doug take? It gets to the point were I’m thinking to myself this guy is stronger and the mutants also why don’t the mutants just kill him after knocking him out a couple of times?! Why doesn’t Doug just kill the mutant at the end instead of dropping his weapon and than walking away leading to the predictable... He is still alive! part, but at the end of the movie these flaws don’t play a major part in my experience as its one of the better horror films Hollywood has to offer and it does something that most horror films forget to do these days and that is... Build tension and than scare me.

Grade- B+

The thing about this film is that it gets inside you. Love it or hate it, you can't deny that it serves it's purpose. And that is all I ask from a film, any film, but especially a horror film. When you watch crap like The Haunting or Idle Hands or any other generic horror film, you have no investment in the characters. You have have no investment in the story and what you are left with is a bunch of pretty people in some sort of Hollywood danger. There's nothing disturbing about it, nothing emotionally galvanizing and no feeeling one way or another towards to charcters. When you have Catherine Zeta Jones and Liam Neeson in a horror film, you have problems. But this movie says "Fuck all of you." And it says it proudly. It's what WEs Craven was so good at 20 and 30 years ago. Last House, Hills and Nightmare were all fuck you movies. They went for the jugular and they didn't care what the sensor board thought. Those are the horror films I admire. They take risks. They exploit our human compassions and they do it so well that the films stay with you. I have seen hundreds of horror films and the ones that leave a mark are the ones that take risks. For better or worse, films like Last House, The Shining, Nightmare and Texas, to name a few, leave that indellible mark. They leave you thinking about the film long after you leave the theater. Here we are one week later, and we're still talking about the film and i might go see it again today.

You don't have to like horror films, and that's fine. Not everyone wants to see someone burned alive or being hung on a meathook. But if it's not your cup of tea, then don't go. But to me, a film like Texas Chainsaw Massacre and Halloween and The Ring belong in the same breath as JFK, E.T. and Mississippi Burning. These are all films that make my top 50 films ever. There is a skill to these films and just becasue you don't like them, doesn't mean they're shit. It takes a real talent to make a brilliant horror film. HILLS is that film. Brilliant, effective and and it is not going to be another ephemeral generic horror film that no one remembers three years from now. This is the real deal folks.

I wasn't disturbed or grossed out at all by this film. Honestly, I don't know why it's supposed to be taken seriously because I found quite a bit of humor in it, as did my friends. We're not immature people, we just thought some of it was funny. Not laugh out loud hilarious but funny nevertheless. It was a good horror film, though I think the last 40 minutes of it could've been a lot better. It brought the movie way down. It exceded my expectations, so that's good.

8/10 (B+)

You have no soul.

I certainly hope more and more people decide to see this film.

Idle Hands is fun!!!

It started a bit slow but after that I was really involved. What bothered me about the rape scene was that now one recognized it. Everyone ran to the burning dad but NO ONE saw that mutant lying on her?! That was just silly. But beside that I loved the movie. A-

this movie does have a rape scence I saw this movie twice. the rape scence bothered me alot. It shows lizard parting her thighs undueing his pants and holding her down as he rapes her. she then has b lood all over her thighs and pushes her sleep shirt back down as she rocks and sobs.


This movie was very interesting but reminded me alot of the wring turn and texas chainsaw. I liked how they seeked out revenge and how doug shows hes not a pussy like everyone thinks he is.

Once again, a more descriptive look at the Rape scene that 90% of this thread feel wasn't there, but actually was.. I don't know.. At this point, I've pretty well moved forward from this and decided it's not worth the time or day..

We know. You're too disturbed to handle it.

This quote says all that I have on my mind as well.

Oh and BKB should never ever see Irreversible.