Think Crash is the worst win ever? Check the oscar history!
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 Re: Think Crash is the worst win ever? Check the oscar hist Jon Lyrik wrote: baumer72 wrote: They get it right sometimes with films like Titanic and American Beauty winning, or giving Spielberg, Cameron and Polanski oscars. I find the first half of Titanic barely watchable these days. Outside of the production values, it's artistically bankrupt (with a story being a tired Austen rip-off) and a symbol of everything bad with the modern blockbuster. Everything from Winslet's bare breasts onwards is entertaining, but certainly not Oscar-worthy. And as much as I love Jaws, it does not quite add up to One Flew Over.... It's one of the few times Oscar *did* get it right in my point of view. Irespectfully disagree. 
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baumer72 wrote: Erendis wrote: Tony Montana has a legitimate point, baumer. What argument are you trying to make?
Are you saying that: "The Academy rewards bad movies all the time, Crash is no different, so BBM fans should just get over it." By that reasoning, you would be admitting that Crash is a bad movie.
Are you saying that: "It's always the Academy losers that are remembered, and the Academy winners that are forgotton." By that reasoning, you would be admitting that Crash will be forgotton and the others (BBM/GNAGL) will be remembered.
Are you saying that: "The Academy gets is wrong a lot, but it got it less wrong that usual this year, BBM fans should be grateful." That's a little stronger, but still admits that Crash was not as stellar as everyone says.
Are you saying that: "The Academy has an agenda and they are up for sale." Then you would be joining Annie Proulx and the rest of the BBM whiners, who have been saying the exact same thing for over a week now.
Are you saying that: "Hey, I had to put up with Jaws losing and Star Wars losing and Raiders losing and FotR losing. BBM fans should just shut up the whining already." By that reasoning, if you're going to demand that BBM fans take their lumps in silence, then why don't YOU take your own advice and shut up about Jaws? That was 30 years ago. Get over it already.
Or are you saying that "Sometimes the Academy is up for sale, sometimes it's not. Sometimes they get it right, sometimes they don't. Other years it's bad but this year they got it right...oh darnit I was looking for a consistent pattern but I didn't find one, but I don't want my long post to go to waste, so I'll just say that's my opinion, and you can't question it. In fact, I love my opinion so much I'll make it a whole new topic." That just makes you an attention hog. I'll say this again, ERendis, read my comments before you come in here once a month and bitch. My comments were that Brokeback is not the first film that has generated controversy by losing. If you can't decipher that, then that's not my problem. And you call me an attention hog? All you do is come in here sporadically and tell everyone how worng they are about everything. Learn how to read, learn how to respond and learn how to decipher what someone is saying befoire you make it your business to be heard. You are an embarrasement to yourself most of the time. Get a grip.  That´s harsh. And wrong...
Maybe you should listen to your own advice and start reading the title of your own threads...because if that is what you wanted to say (Hard to tell from your loooong paragraph) what does the title have to do with it?
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dar wrote: baumer72 wrote: Erendis wrote: Tony Montana has a legitimate point, baumer. What argument are you trying to make?
Are you saying that: "The Academy rewards bad movies all the time, Crash is no different, so BBM fans should just get over it." By that reasoning, you would be admitting that Crash is a bad movie.
Are you saying that: "It's always the Academy losers that are remembered, and the Academy winners that are forgotton." By that reasoning, you would be admitting that Crash will be forgotton and the others (BBM/GNAGL) will be remembered.
Are you saying that: "The Academy gets is wrong a lot, but it got it less wrong that usual this year, BBM fans should be grateful." That's a little stronger, but still admits that Crash was not as stellar as everyone says.
Are you saying that: "The Academy has an agenda and they are up for sale." Then you would be joining Annie Proulx and the rest of the BBM whiners, who have been saying the exact same thing for over a week now.
Are you saying that: "Hey, I had to put up with Jaws losing and Star Wars losing and Raiders losing and FotR losing. BBM fans should just shut up the whining already." By that reasoning, if you're going to demand that BBM fans take their lumps in silence, then why don't YOU take your own advice and shut up about Jaws? That was 30 years ago. Get over it already.
Or are you saying that "Sometimes the Academy is up for sale, sometimes it's not. Sometimes they get it right, sometimes they don't. Other years it's bad but this year they got it right...oh darnit I was looking for a consistent pattern but I didn't find one, but I don't want my long post to go to waste, so I'll just say that's my opinion, and you can't question it. In fact, I love my opinion so much I'll make it a whole new topic." That just makes you an attention hog. I'll say this again, ERendis, read my comments before you come in here once a month and bitch. My comments were that Brokeback is not the first film that has generated controversy by losing. If you can't decipher that, then that's not my problem. And you call me an attention hog? All you do is come in here sporadically and tell everyone how worng they are about everything. Learn how to read, learn how to respond and learn how to decipher what someone is saying befoire you make it your business to be heard. You are an embarrasement to yourself most of the time. Get a grip. That´s harsh. And wrong... Maybe you should listen to your own advice and start reading the title of your own threads...because if that is what you wanted to say (Hard to tell from your loooong paragraph) what does the title have to do with it? And coming here "once a month" gives you perfect right to question other people´s posts. On the other hand, coming here every day does not give you the right to patronize other posters... in my opinion. The problem is you don't know the start of this dar. Erendis has been criticizing me for more than a year now. And all she does is make a cameo appearance here once in a while and then bitch about something and leave for a couple of months until she finds something else to bitch about. The title of my thead is not in morse code. There's no riddle here, it's plain and straightforward. The academy has been making controversial decisions for years and the only reason why this one caused such an uproar is because there is an element of pc involved in it. If you read the title again, you'll see it means exactly what it says.
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Re: Think Crash is the worst win ever? Check the oscar hist baumer72 wrote: Jon Lyrik wrote: baumer72 wrote: They get it right sometimes with films like Titanic and American Beauty winning, or giving Spielberg, Cameron and Polanski oscars. I find the first half of Titanic barely watchable these days. Outside of the production values, it's artistically bankrupt (with a story being a tired Austen rip-off) and a symbol of everything bad with the modern blockbuster. Everything from Winslet's bare breasts onwards is entertaining, but certainly not Oscar-worthy. And as much as I love Jaws, it does not quite add up to One Flew Over.... It's one of the few times Oscar *did* get it right in my point of view. Irespectfully disagree. That's why we have a whole forum, so we can all disagree,w e can;t even agree on when Oscar got it wrong, we just all think they got it wrong at points.
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baumer72 wrote: Erendis wrote: Tony Montana has a legitimate point, baumer. What argument are you trying to make?
Are you saying that: "The Academy rewards bad movies all the time, Crash is no different, so BBM fans should just get over it." By that reasoning, you would be admitting that Crash is a bad movie.
Are you saying that: "It's always the Academy losers that are remembered, and the Academy winners that are forgotton." By that reasoning, you would be admitting that Crash will be forgotton and the others (BBM/GNAGL) will be remembered.
Are you saying that: "The Academy gets is wrong a lot, but it got it less wrong that usual this year, BBM fans should be grateful." That's a little stronger, but still admits that Crash was not as stellar as everyone says.
Are you saying that: "The Academy has an agenda and they are up for sale." Then you would be joining Annie Proulx and the rest of the BBM whiners, who have been saying the exact same thing for over a week now.
Are you saying that: "Hey, I had to put up with Jaws losing and Star Wars losing and Raiders losing and FotR losing. BBM fans should just shut up the whining already." By that reasoning, if you're going to demand that BBM fans take their lumps in silence, then why don't YOU take your own advice and shut up about Jaws? That was 30 years ago. Get over it already.
Or are you saying that "Sometimes the Academy is up for sale, sometimes it's not. Sometimes they get it right, sometimes they don't. Other years it's bad but this year they got it right...oh darnit I was looking for a consistent pattern but I didn't find one, but I don't want my long post to go to waste, so I'll just say that's my opinion, and you can't question it. In fact, I love my opinion so much I'll make it a whole new topic." That just makes you an attention hog. I'll say this again, ERendis, read my comments before you come in here once a month and bitch. My comments were that Brokeback is not the first film that has generated controversy by losing. If you can't decipher that, then that's not my problem. And you call me an attention hog? All you do is come in here sporadically and tell everyone how worng they are about everything. Learn how to read, learn how to respond and learn how to decipher what someone is saying befoire you make it your business to be heard. You are an embarrasement to yourself most of the time. Get a grip. Comeon, baumer, that was a bit harsh. Erendis just likes to keep us honest and make sure we know what we're talking about. She's called me out quite often, and has done it for years, but she's not doing it to be insulting or critical. In fact, she just called me on some comments I made in another thread and I must have answered her in a satisfactory manner, because she didn't require more explaining from me. Actually, I take it as a compliment, because she doesn't seem to bother trying to get involved in discussions with dummies. I'd say the same goes for why she directed her post toward you.
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Yea, but the our contact with each other Mav, over the last two years, has consisted of her ridiculing me and nothing more. I can take criticism, but my thread and what it is about is pretty clear. Her post was about as caustic and bitter towards me as possible. It gets annoying at times. I don't see what is so confusing about my thread. everyone is trying to read more into what I'm saying than there is.
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Jumping out at me:
One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest is better than Jaws, and
The Silence of the Lambs is much better than JFK
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Well they can't please everybody, but sometimes it seems like they don't even try. I personally disagree with A Beautiful Mind, West Side Story, and Chariots of Fire to name a few. I think it's never a really bad movie that wins, but it's not always the best movie.
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The Dark Shape wrote: Jumping out at me:
One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest is better than Jaws, and
The Silence of the Lambs is much better than JFK Well, cconsidering that in my list of top 25 films, JAWS ranks 1st and JFK 3rd, you can see how much i disagree with you.
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Oh, I don't know if baumer is being all that harsh -- I do seem to be the resident caller of bullcrap on the site.
Hmmm, let me go back and do some reading.
hmmm...I see...
My bitch post was a cumulative response to all the pie-fighting going on in all the threads (mostly the Richard Roeper thread,) which is why it looks like it came out of nowhere in this particular thread. I was irritated that Baumer posted his long post twice (I still think that was attention hogging.  ), and irritated at the pie-fighting in general. And then I read nasty snark like baumer wrote: So ChipMunky, dine on this and get back to me when your "opinion" has some substance. I guess nobody can criticize the opinion of the great and mighty baumer, but everyone else's opinion has no substance -- well, I thought baumer deserved a bit of calling out. But I think I overbitched it this time.  I was just late to the argument and focused too sharp, so it looks like I came out of nowhere (I'm famous for this in RL too.)
Ripper said it best: we can all agree that Oscar gets it wrong, but we can't agree on when. I guess Oscar gets it right every year, and wrong every year, depending on who you are. If you're a BBM/GNAGL/Capote/Munich fan, Oscar got it wrong THIS year. If you someone who really liked Crash, Oscar got it wrong in OTHER years.
So it's possible to for baumer to love Crash and still say that Oscar gets it wrong. Did I get it, did I did I? 
While we're on the topic of when Oscar got it wrong:
- Star Wars should have won Best Pic.
- Raiders should have won Best Pic.
- I don't know about Jaws.
- I thought Beauty and the Beast far deserved Best Pic over Silence of the Lambs, but I'm the only one who thinks that.
- I thought that The Best Years of Our Lives was correctly chosen over It's a Wonderful Life in 1946.
- Shakespeare in Love was bought. End of story.
- I still love Braveheart and I'm glad it got Best Pic. So sue me.
 - My understanding is the Roman Polanski has a pending jail sentence that he has not served. He should not be allowed to make movies at all.
- Indeed FotR was the best of the LotR movies, and should have won best pic. But LotR was such a special case that you can't even use it as a statistic. There was really only one way to handle LotR, and the Academy did it. (Now, if RotK had lost too, the outcry would have made Annie Proulx's essay look like love poetry.)
- I don't know about Crash vs. BBM. It was a really tough year. But, Heath Ledger is owed an Oscar, and everybody knows it.
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I always thought we had a good rapport going back to our mojo days Erendis, but it just seems that in the last couple of years, you have criticized me for almost everything I say. Do you really disagree with me that much or do you just dislike me? I always enjoyed talking with you before, and I'm just wondering why there seems to be so much venom towards me?
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Aw heck, I don't dislike you, I'm sure of that. And well yeah, I disagree with a lot of your movie choices (never understood horror), but I don't usually go after someone's personal tastes, as long as the personal tastes are consistent. And you really are consistent, gotta hand you that. 
I guess I get mad when debates escalate.
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I received the funniest text message today. Christine finally watched Crash and hated it. For anyone that remembers, I said that I couldn't be with someone who loved Crash.
Crisis adverted.
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loyalfromlondon wrote: I received the funniest text message today. Christine finally watched Crash and hated it. For anyone that remembers, I said that I couldn't be with someone who loved Crash.
Crisis adverted. Damnit, I was hopoing to lure Christine over to lesbianism, chance denied.
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loyalfromlondon wrote: I received the funniest text message today. Christine finally watched Crash and hated it. For anyone that remembers, I said that I couldn't be with someone who loved Crash.
Crisis adverted. Thats some pretty sad shit right thurr!
I don't actually know why people hate crash,
And frankly my dear - I don't give a damn.
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Michelangelo wrote: loyalfromlondon wrote: I received the funniest text message today. Christine finally watched Crash and hated it. For anyone that remembers, I said that I couldn't be with someone who loved Crash.
Crisis adverted. Thats some pretty sad shit right thurr!
I don't actually know why people hate crash,
And frankly my dear - I don't give a damn.[/quote
Could you be with someone who worshipped Christina and thought she was hot?
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Ripper wrote: Michelangelo wrote: loyalfromlondon wrote: I received the funniest text message today. Christine finally watched Crash and hated it. For anyone that remembers, I said that I couldn't be with someone who loved Crash.
Crisis adverted. Thats some pretty sad shit right thurr! I don't actually know why people hate crash, And frankly my dear - I don't give a damn.[/quote Could you be with someone who worshipped Christina and thought she was hot? Yeah. As long as they douche it'd be fine.
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loyalfromlondon wrote: I received the funniest text message today. Christine finally watched Crash and hated it. For anyone that remembers, I said that I couldn't be with someone who loved Crash.
Crisis adverted. Good, she has great taste, now go watch Moolaade with her. You should trust her taste by now.
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You know.
I appreciate not everyone likes the same movies, And I get that people are not so enthused by Crash.
What I don't appreciate is the way that those people act as though people who do like Crash have something very seriously wrong with them, have horrible taste, no knowledge of film and are general idiots. The basis of that mindframe suggests an overall lack of open-mindedness that will seep through in other posts.
Theres actually a huge number of people rambling on about how great Brokeback mountain is and how it forces us all to respect the choices of others. But those same people are literally tearing Crash down piece by piece because it won Best Picture? Or Because they didn't like it? Talk about hypocrisy of the highest order
It's the same story across the internet now. People dropping arrogant statements just because the godamn Oscars decided against the grain to pick an outsider as the winner.
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Michael, I'm beginning to think something is seriously wrong with you.
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loyalfromlondon wrote: Michael, I'm beginning to think something is seriously wrong with you. 
There's always been something seriously wrong wtih me.
Some call it a plague.
I call it my nationality.
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Michelangelo wrote: You know.
I appreciate not everyone likes the same movies, And I get that people are not so enthused by Crash.
What I don't appreciate is the way that those people act as though people who do like Crash have something very seriously wrong with them, have horrible taste, no knowledge of film and are general idiots. The basis of that mindframe suggests an overall lack of open-mindedness that will seep through in other posts.
Theres actually a huge number of people rambling on about how great Brokeback mountain is and how it forces us all to respect the choices of others. But those same people are literally tearing Crash down piece by piece because it won Best Picture? Or Because they didn't like it? Talk about hypocrisy of the highest order
It's the same story across the internet now. People dropping arrogant statements just because the godamn Oscars decided against the grain to pick an outsider as the winner. Both Crash and BBM overrated, there I said it. The first hour of BBM is a mess, the second half redeems the film.
Anyway, people are always like this, heck you're not exactly nice towards celebrities you don't like. Everyone does things like this, yet we all get angry at everyone else for doing it.
The simple fact is the BBM people expected to win, and when it comes to the Oscars people get nasty, while I think Prouloux comments are over a line, at least she said what she thought, and other peopel are rightfully telling her how they feel. Its made for a more interesting post Oscar season.
For every BBM supporter bitching, there been a Crash supporting gloating, one is just as bad as the other.
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Ripper and I are the only humans around who don't fall into either camp.
I hated Crash and didnt think BBM was all that hot.
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Well, I must be an anomoly, I liked crash a lot, I liked Brokeback Mountain quite a bit but think that Revenge of the Sith should haev won best picture, for real! It is the best sixth film in a series ever.
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loyalfromlondon wrote: Ripper and I are the only humans around who don't fall into either camp.
I hated Crash and didnt think BBM was all that hot. Well my feelings on Crash are known, but while I'm not upset with Brokeback's nomination, under normal circumstances I wouldn't necessarily want it to win.
That said, don't interalize my and other's hatred of the film. I really just hate the film. If I hated all the people who like the film, it would make my employment situation much more interesting. They all love it.
Dr. Lecter has been giving me almost daily Crash-therapy sessions. I may be able to re-join the general populace in a month or two.
If he thinks I'm going to pay him for these sessions, he's out of his mind.
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