A great piece (IMO) from TheFilmExperience
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xiayun
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 A great piece (IMO) from TheFilmExperience
He made some of the similar points that I have been thinking all along:
http://www.thefilmexperience.net/Awards ... tdown.html
Quote: I have been writing about the Oscar race for seven years. In only one of those years has my favorite film won. I am extremely familiar with disappointment. But this is the first time ever in which I've experienced people enjoying the suffering of others within the context of the Oscar races. I never got any 'you lose!' taunts when Moulin Rouge! or Sideways lost. I am suddenly reminded of childhood's "smear the queer" games and high school bullying. Kick people while they're down. Nobody ever felt the need to attack me for loving films about French courtesans, penniless writers, or wine lovers. So why the gloating at the sorry fates of gay cowboys? I think it's a valid question. But one that the gloaters would be hard pressed to answer without looking deeper inside themselves.
Quote: People will say it's about the SAG Award or the huge ensemble cast correlating with the actors branch block of votes. The SAG Award did not turn the tide for The Birdcage, Sideways, Gosford Park, or The Full Monty. Magnolia, a film from which Crash steals shamelessly, couldn't even win the SAG ensemble despite its criss- crossing narratives and large casts. These things: large ensembles and crisscrossed narratives. They do not automatically equal actor branch love. If they did Robert Altman and PT Anderson films would have had better fortunes with AMPAS.
People will say it's because Brokeback was over-rewarded and Oscar does not like to be "told" how to vote. This is the most patently false of all statements you will hear. If you find yourself agreeing with this (it seems logical, right? Hey, I admit that it does to me) you need only look at the past 77 years of history to see how much of an anomaly it is. They are not accustomed to breaking cycles of unanimous support. Whichever film is the leader going in is the one that wins UNLESS there has been significant precursor battling for pole position going on. Shakespeare in Love vs. Saving Private Ryan for instance: A horse race is a horse race is a horse race. The Oscars are not usually a horse race in the top category. Brokeback Mountain had, statistically speaking, no competition for the main prize. Certainly not Crash... which received only 6 nominations (very low for a BP winner historically and if the actors loved it so much --see false point previous paragraph-- shouldn't there have been more acting nominations? The precursors managed to give it more acting nominations. So we know there was room) and no Golden Globe BP attention --another usual death knell.
So homophobia becomes the logical scapegoat. Even if you despise the argument, as many do without truly investigating it within the context of this particular awards season, it would be the compassionate Crash-like idea to consider that that's what it might be; Uninvestigated barely-acknowledged but insidious prejudices preventing people from connecting with others (or certain works of art, *ahem*).
Quote: And one final thing. If you find yourself still in astonishment at the sorrow of many Oscar watchers...if you find yourself muttering "IT'S ONLY A MOVIE". Consider this. Repeat it: "It's Only a Movie". Is this really the response and fallback motto that the Academy of Motion Picture Arts and Sciences, that Hollywood itself should prompt us to embrace?
The point: It's not only a movie.
My question has always been why they, as in academy, decided to break away with 77 years of tradition precisely at this time. Would have Crash lost if it had been the frontrunner? Munich? No, I firmly believe they would've cruised to victory. As Lecter mentioned, Brokeback won all those individual guilds, which include a lot of academy voters, so why would it lose? That's always my argument against the assertion that somehow it just happens more academy members really liked Crash more, because there was no such evidence before the final voting. I suspect there were some members who are fine with voting for Brokeback in individual guild but reluctant to do so when it comes to Best Picture Oscar, the biggest award of the Hollywood industry. Yeah, the tide was turning somewhat toward Crash, I definitely agree, but throughout history, no film has lost its lead with this kind of precursor dominance. Even Chicago hung on against The Pianist, and we already felt The Pianist surge at BAFTA, where The Pianist won and there are about 10-15% membership overlaps with Oscar. I also believe having all the guild dates pushed forward and Oscar backward and having this one-month vaccum hurt Brokeback and disguised the momentum that Crash built. Still, in the end, I think the kind of hestitance to accept a gay film some in the academy felt did tip the balance over. Without it, Brokeback would still have prevailed. Anyway, I just want to say people should realize it's hard not to be cynical when academy could've chosen any year to break away from the statistics and voting pattern, but they had never done it in history until now, and it "just happened" to be Brokeback Mountain. There is seriously no equal in term of upset when one looks at pure objective numbers.
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I wish I could be as articulate as this. Thanks
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Thank you for this, Xiayun. Nathaniel Rogers is my God.
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The fact that Crash really isn't *that* good of a film only adds to it too. You could say it's just me being biased, but the numbers show it too. 78% on RT, nothing at the Golden Globes. When it was released, people liked it, but it's support was way less than say Eternal Sunshines. If this was a newly christened masterpiece like Moulin Rouge or Crouching Tiger, sure. But Crash? Without BM, it'd already be one of the weakest Best Picture nominees out there. I just think that it wasn't as much about Crash getting this huge embrace at the last minute, as it was about it being "The next best alternative."
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I agree with Xia and this guy. I'm not sure how to expand on it at this time... I'll piggyback on someone else's commentary later.
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Box
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If it is more than just a movie, then it's because the film's supporters have made it more than it is. If you invest heavily in a film and its awards success, a failure like this will obviously be taken personally. To give this so much importance is to give the Academy way too much credit, more than it deserves. One of the things this awards show has made me realize is something I suspected before anyways; namely, that the awards are a ghastly excuse for a desperately self-promotional industry to shower praise on itself. The most damning things about these awards might in the longterm be the indifference with which people will greet it.
I can imagine someone ten years from now saying: "Hey, did you know Brokeback Mountain lost the Best Picture award to Crash?" "Who cares? It's a good movie. Pop in 2046, though. I heard Zhang gave a great performance in it".
Shows awarding non-threatening domestic films are becoming increasingly irrelevant. Asia, especially China, Korea, and Japan, are producing and will continue to produce great films that the Academy has all but ignored. Why isn't Oldboy recognized? Why not Ziyi for her performance in 2046? France has not slowed down in its productions, and Germany has produced some noteworthy knockouts recently. Were ten lead male performances really better than Bruno Ganz's over the last two years, that he should be shunned?
Useless crap. I advise everyone to to ignore the Academy and consider the impact BBM has had and will have on individual viewers. No award can change that.
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Box wrote: If it is more than just a movie, then it's because the film's supporters have made it more than it is.
I agree box,its just an awards show and some of you people are making it bigger than it is.
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But Box, we all now Brokeback is more relevant and profound than Crash. It's not *the* movie of the decade, but its much, much better. The simple fact of the matter is the Academy promotes such investment in the movies. From the FYC campaigns to their countless of thematical and topical montages, the Academy wants us to become invested in the movies they tout as the best, and I can't help but feel most of these narcissistic Hollywood-ites really do share that investment. Watch them laugh and cry and clap in glee! It's bothersome to think that America's liberal community - they praise themselves for being our leading progressives! - gets so wound up in this process that their true demons end up showing. Yes, obviously enough of them are hypocritical homophones, and this had an effect. Because of this, I think its fair to say Crash won over BM. Does it matter? Probably not. It's just another example of the Academy being ... the Academy.
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neo_wolf wrote: Box wrote: If it is more than just a movie, then it's because the film's supporters have made it more than it is. I agree box,its just an awards show and some of you people are making it bigger than it is.
This is a place to talk about film. Like it or not, The Oscars is Film. If you think it's useless and we ought to get over it, fine by me. But leave. We're talking about the Oscars one way or another, and it seems awfully silly to see something like this - a "get over it" coming from someone with thousands of postings on a. film. message. board. 
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lennier wrote: But Box, we all now Brokeback is more relevant and profound than Crash. It's not *the* movie of the decade, but its much, much better. The simple fact of the matter is the Academy promotes such investment in the movies. From the FYC campaigns to their countless of thematical and topical montages, the Academy wants us to become invested in the movies they tout as the best, and I can't help but feel most of these narcissistic Hollywood-ites really do share that investment. Watch them laugh and cry and clap in glee! It's bothersome to think that America's liberal community - they praise themselves for being our leading progressives! - gets so wound up in this process that their true demons end up showing. Yes, obviously enough of them are hypocritical homophones, and this had an effect. Because of this, I think its fair to say Crash won over BM. Does it matter? Probably not. It's just another example of the Academy being ... the Academy.
If you buy into it, it's your fault. Simply put, you should know better than to care about what it is that some people who are, as they themselves state, "out of touch".
And they're not hypocrites. I think the liberal ones did voice their opinions in support of Brokeback Mountain. Those who were not fond of BBM voiced their opinions anonymously by not voting for it.
And again: simply because you don't like BBM does not mean you're a homophobe. I can just as easily see this as a film about two men who cheat on their wives. There's nothing heart-warming or romantic about that. More than 3 million women, for example, are probably married to men who have affairs with other men. To them, BBM would be about two scumbag cheats who lied to them, their children, and their families, and who ruined their lives. There's no homophobia anywhere in that; it'd effectively be righteous indignation, since they are the ones who are wronged. That's just an example.
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I don't like the term "let's just move on" because it feels condescending. Why should we move on in fewer than 48 hours when we are talking about the biggest upset in history? Why should we move on if the result does show something deeper about Hollywood and their so-called "progressive" and "liberal" hypocrisy? It's perfectly fine to dwell on it, just as it's perfect logical that Ang said he couldn't sleep well Sunday night and felt a little angry.
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Box wrote: lennier wrote: But Box, we all now Brokeback is more relevant and profound than Crash. It's not *the* movie of the decade, but its much, much better. The simple fact of the matter is the Academy promotes such investment in the movies. From the FYC campaigns to their countless of thematical and topical montages, the Academy wants us to become invested in the movies they tout as the best, and I can't help but feel most of these narcissistic Hollywood-ites really do share that investment. Watch them laugh and cry and clap in glee! It's bothersome to think that America's liberal community - they praise themselves for being our leading progressives! - gets so wound up in this process that their true demons end up showing. Yes, obviously enough of them are hypocritical homophones, and this had an effect. Because of this, I think its fair to say Crash won over BM. Does it matter? Probably not. It's just another example of the Academy being ... the Academy. If you buy into it, it's your fault. Simply put, you should know better than to care about what it is that some people who are, as they themselves state, "out of touch". And they're not hypocrites. I think the liberal ones did voice their opinions in support of Brokeback Mountain. Those who were not fond of BBM voiced their opinions anonymously by not voting for it. And again: simply because you don't like BBM does not mean you're a homophobe. I can just as easily see this as a film about two men who cheat on their wives. There's nothing heart-warming or romantic about that. More than 3 million women, for example, are probably married to men who have affairs with other men. To them, BBM would be about two scumbag cheats who lied to them, their children, and their families, and who ruined their lives. There's no homophobia anywhere in that; it'd effectively be righteous indignation, since they are the ones who are wronged. That's just an example.
I'd like to think I'm not invested in this; I went to bed Sunday night feeling fine. I was a little bothered, but no problems. I wasn't crushed. But to deny we don't pick favorites is silly, and its never fun to loose. Especially if it's suspicious.
Your example is the reason why BM is such a great piece of cinema. It's a tragedy. I'll save you yet another explanation of how terrible the entire lot of the story is and how the wives suffered just as much, if not more, as their husbands. Frankly, there isn't a need to say some older, traditional members saw this as either an 1. abomination because of the subject matter or 2. disgusting because of the treatment of women. Why? As esteemed members of the AAMPAS (or whatever the hell the acronym is) it is their duty and obligation to open their minds and think. Sitting here as a 17 year old teenager, it's plain to me that BM isn't one sided or heavy handed (unlike our winner). I refuse to believe the majority of these voters couldn't get past the "treatment of women" deal you bring up.
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I'm from Canada, so I guess the best pic nominees didn't look all that groundbreaking to me based on their subjects, but when you think about it, can one really say that Brokeback Mountain is more relevant than Crash? Case in point, Ang Lee is the first Asian director to win the best directing Oscar. But unfortunately, with all of the Crash vs Mountain hoopla over which movie should have won, and which one was more important, some of the lustre that should have gone to an entirely different category did not get the attention that it should have gotten. And unfortunately, I can say that alot of people here are guilty of that very thing.
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Box
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I don't think "let's just move on" is the right way to go, because it implies that one should simply accept what happened, and look forward to the future.
I'm saying that we should learn from this year's awards show, and and not move on after BBM's loss, but move away from the Oscars as a whole. The only legitimacy the awards have is earned over the years by them being reliable determinants of great films. If the academy decides to shun films like Brokeback Mountain and award what by all indications appears to be an inferior film, then it automatically deprives itself of its privilged status as an upholder of the art of cinema. If so, what is its worth?
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Tue Mar 07, 2006 11:05 pm |
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Box
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So am I
Lee got what he deserved; if he had lost, it would have been a huge deal, and you'd have heard about it. But he's been praised in Taiwan and China for his achievements, so it's not as if his achievements have been ignored.
Also, South Africa got its first award. I thought that was pretty neat.
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Tue Mar 07, 2006 11:08 pm |
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O
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Box wrote: So am I
 Hurray! 
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Mr. Reynolds
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Box wrote: Useless crap. I advise everyone to to ignore the Academy and consider the impact BBM has had and will have on individual viewers. No award can change that.
I'll give you that this it was personal to me. I also agree that the impact of BBM is greater than losing the award.
But as the article that xaiyun posted says, it's that slamming of the door on Brokeback's face just as it was about to enter after being welcomed in that hurts. The movie had obvious limits: limited audience; no support for its young actors; the butt of jokes in the hopes of settling cultural nervousness. It was just THE ONE WAY to remind everyone that we (gays) are just not there yet. That, and the movie was just damn technically well made.
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O wrote: I'm from Canada, so I guess the best pic nominees didn't look all that groundbreaking to me based on their subjects, but when you think about it, can one really say that Brokeback Mountain is more relevant than Crash? Case in point, Ang Lee is the first Asian director to win the best directing Oscar. But unfortunately, with all of the Crash vs Mountain hoopla over which movie should have won, and which one was more important, some of the lustre that should have gone to an entirely different category did not get the attention that it should have gotten. And unfortunately, I can say that alot of people here are guilty of that very thing.
Hi!
I think Lee has been getting praise for nearly a decade. Americans are willing to work with him and see his pictures and it's great that he finally won an award. However, I *don't* think much hoopla should be made over the fact that he's Asian. That pretty much perpetuates the idea that, as "progressives" we ought to single out races and whatnot. Honoring Ang as himself is the right thing to do, not the idea that "Hey, an Asian won!". It seems like the most backwards way to acknowledge the end of racial barriers.
That said, I'm enthused to see Asians become more recognized  No, it's always wonderful to see the popularization of diversity, especially in cinema. I look forward to a growing trend because it ought to yield new faces and new approaches to the film formula.
Actually, it's Hollywood's general inability to honor diverse work that's leading to it's "recession". Thinkers and average people alike are getting sick of formulaic plots, characters, and throwaway films. Of course, this scares them. They might have to share the market with others, so they'll keep trying to ignore it without being obviously racist/xenophobic.
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Box
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Sam Nasty wrote: It was just THE ONE WAY to remind everyone that we (gays) are just not there yet.
Where? I think the problem is that gays have looked to the Academy as a way of heralding their arrival onto the public stage. That's ridiculous. Social change occurs at the root level, when people begin talking to each other. Films can serve a purpose in bringing about such discussions, which BBM seems to have done to a certain extent. Beyond that- all those awards, etc. are really meaningless if people's minds are firmly set. Also, there is at the least as great a chance of the film being counterproductive as it being helpful to gays. For one thing, the film has been mocked beyond any reasonable measures. It has lead to enough people viewing it as liberal propaganda piece, and so on.
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Shoot the messenger.
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lennier wrote: O wrote: I'm from Canada, so I guess the best pic nominees didn't look all that groundbreaking to me based on their subjects, but when you think about it, can one really say that Brokeback Mountain is more relevant than Crash? Case in point, Ang Lee is the first Asian director to win the best directing Oscar. But unfortunately, with all of the Crash vs Mountain hoopla over which movie should have won, and which one was more important, some of the lustre that should have gone to an entirely different category did not get the attention that it should have gotten. And unfortunately, I can say that alot of people here are guilty of that very thing. Hi!  I think Lee has been getting praise for nearly a decade. Americans are willing to work with him and see his pictures and it's great that he finally won an award. However, I *don't* think much hoopla should be made over the fact that he's Asian. That pretty much perpetuates the idea that, as "progressives" we ought to single out races and whatnot. Honoring Ang as himself is the right thing to do, not the idea that "Hey, an Asian won!". It seems like the most backwards way to acknowledge the end of racial barriers. That said, I'm enthused to see Asians become more recognized  No, it's always wonderful to see the popularization of diversity, especially in cinema. I look forward to a growing trend because it ought to yield new faces and new approaches to the film formula. Actually, it's Hollywood's general inability to honor diverse work that's leading to it's "recession". Thinkers and average people alike are getting sick of formulaic plots, characters, and throwaway films. Of course, this scares them. They might have to share the market with others, so they'll keep trying to ignore it without being obviously racist/xenophobic.
Hey! I more meant in in the sense that his recognition enables others to feel that they can also achieve that type of recognition. Similar to Halle Berry. It wasn't a case of color that was the big deal of the whole situation, but rather the acknowledgment that it takes a long time for the first door to be opened, and that it will take new and inspired people to keep opening that door wider and wider.
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Mr. X wrote: IT'S ALL JACK NICHOLSON'S FAULT!!!
He admitted himself that he voted for Brokeback and was quite surprised too.
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The lack of an editing nom for BBM was a hint of trouble ahead for BBM at AMPAS. That suggests a lack of support from the techies in AMPAS for the film.It can't be an accident that it's been 25 years since a film won BP without at least an editing nom.
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I said it in two other threads and I will say it again.
For the past two days I couldn't fathom HOW in the world Crash could break that precedence and actually win. How? How? How?
Then I realized something. The precedence was broken twice. Brokeback Mountain's huge success already broke everything that has been in the Academy in its history. It already broke all precedence by becoming the first primarely gay-themed film to get a Best Picture nomination, the most nominations of the night actually and becoming some sort of a frontrunner too (actually THE frontrunner if you think back). Considering one precedence was broken, it was just as likely that another one would be broken as well.
Oh and yes, the Editing snub was a big thing if you think back. The last time a movie without an editing nom won Best Picture was 25 years ago. Truly, Brokeback's editing was one of the movie's worst aspects too, in my personal opinion, but that's besides the point.
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xiayun
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Lecter, you are not still not looking at the thing objectively. The reason the first thing happen is completely different from the second. The first was created by buzz and awards, so it could happen again, but the second was about a pattern that is against voting logic; it was about numbers not adding up, and that is unlikely to ever happen again.
Anyway, just think about this question: Remove Brokeback Mountain and replace the title with Munich (so Munich would have 86% RT rating, winning all the critic awards and being called the best films of the year by a lot of people) and leave all precursor awards and statistics the same. Would there have been any debate at all? If Crash actually did beat Munich in that circumstance, wouldn't it be the shock of the century?
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