I thought Hathaway's phone performance had more to do with the realization that Ennis was "more than a friend" all these years than anything about his death. I dunno...something one of them said or did gave me that impression. no?

Jack's death is indeed a hot topic online. I read an article by the costume designer on the film who says explicity that "when Lureen lies to Ennis," she made Lureen's shirt to have black-and-white pattern to make the scene sharper. So, at least in the movie, Lureen is definitely lying. I don't know if Lureen knew all the details, but she certainly knew the "accident" was made up. My take is that she found out about Jack's affairs after the death, but that's just speculation. What's certain is that she did NOT know about the affair with Ennis. When Ennis tells her what Brokeback Mountain was, it's obviously new information to her. Maybe she was grieving to learn the Jack had been gay the entire time she knew him.

Jack is trying to prove he's a man in the football scene, but he uses Lureen for cover -- he turned off the TV in front of the son because it was Thanksgiving Dinner that "his momma had spent 3 hours fixing."

finally watching it at home and so far it's fucking boring as hell but at the same time beautiful. weird.

You better stay away from The New World, then.

Hathaway was absolute perfection in that scnee, the tone of her voice, the look on her face, all convey the things her character has felt about the marriage, unlike Wiliams who gets several scnes to convey, Hathaway has one nad its a great one.

I too felt it wa nsot imagined, but after leaving hte theater my boyfriend brought up the possiblity that it was, I felt Hathway's performance and the clues left more then suggest its true, but what we see on screen maybe Ennis idea of what happened...Hahaway's performance implies Jack died becasue he is gay, but is what we see on screen what happened or what Ennis thinks happened given what he saw as a child?

Its an interesting debate. I think Hathway should have gotten more recognition, yes its a small role, but when she has to deliver she does and very well.

i took it as Enis imagining what really happened to Jack and the images were shown to prove it.
what a sad,sad movie. for pretty much all the characters. i feel bad for Enis & his loss but not as bad as the girls heart he crushed.

Well... I assume that Ennis is not the only guy that she has had to tell this information to.

I think it's heavily implied that his relationship with other-not-Ennis-men led to his outing.

Now it's in at No. 235.

hm. Perhaps. That was just an initial perception and could have been way off...
"What's certain is that she did NOT know about the affair with Ennis. When Ennis tells her what Brokeback Mountain was, it's obviously new information to her. Maybe she was grieving to learn the Jack had been gay the entire time she knew him."
but at least I'm not the only one; ) (i actually like this wording/interpretation better than mine. see last paragraph)

as far as the flashback thing, I thought that was clearly in Ennis' head...but that it also (even more) clearly implied that Jack didn't have a "tire changing accident." If that makes sense...like, it runs through Ennis' head based on his past and his fear of what might happen if they were ever found out...but it is, at the same time, a flash-back of sorts to show us that it (or something like it) really happened. And I don't think that the wife was necessarily lying, so much as repeating the "official" story for simplicity and reputation's sake. But then when she's talking to him she realizes that Jack's trips were "more than a fishing trip."

BTW, the name "Ennis" means "Island".

Thought that was interesting.

Oh. Hmm..

And his last name is Spanish for "of/from the sea."

Used to live on an Avenida del Mar.

I've eaten at Taco del Mar!

are you guys trying to say he's really a fish or a coconut?

It is...although not that surprising. BBM was adapted from a short story, which is usually always heavy on symbolism.

As it was pronounced in the movie it sounded like "anus" - talk about your heavy symbolism...

coconot! yes!! i totally see it. Hard on outside; full of milky water inside. how could I not see it?!?!

A good, solid weepie. Not breathtaking or anything, but certainly well-made, brilliantly acted and quite touching. Michelle Williams is quite the uggo though. Ennis did the right thing plumping for Jack.

Oddly, I preferred Memoirs of a Geisha as far as award-type movies are concerned.

B+

Regarding the ending with Lureen, Anne Hathaway said she thinks it's "pretty obvious" wether her character "knows" or not.


As do I

Not that odd. I preferred Memoirs as well.

Why?

A

Fantastic. I'd say it's deserving of it's almighty praise. I've got to let it sink in a bit more, but here's a couple thoughts on some of the arguments and discussions in this thread...

1) Both Ennis and Jack are clearly gay. Not bisexual, straight-up gay. Yes, they blew their loads in their wives. But did they have any love or real attraction to the wives? Nope. They had that all for each other. That's gay.

2) I actually think that while all 4 were brilliant, Gylenhall was in fact the best. I was surprised by how much of a big lead he was, I thought from some of the comments here that the entire movie would revolve around Heath. Not so.

3) Jack was killed by gay-bashers. Lureen's reaction, the absurdity of the story she told, the connection with Ennis's flashback earlier, and Lee showing the actual scene, it all points in that direction.

4) Lee screwed up only one detail, and that was the ending being anti-climatic. When he learned Jack died, there should've at least been some score. It should've been sad and tear-jerking like the rest of the movie, and instead they passed over it in a couple seconds like nothing. At that point, it seemed to me like Lee was trying just a little too hard to be different.

5) The score was awesome.

I'd say this is the #2 or #3 movie of 2005 for me at this point. I still have to see Munich, but for now I'd be very satisfied with a Best Picture win on it's part.

I saw this movie and really it was actually not all that great. I loved the cinamatography! that was beautifull but the acting was actually not all that great both Jake and Heath are good actors and this was really not good acting on their part.

Gave it a second viewing for Oscars, considering I was so harsh on it the first time around. Most of the criticism held up, but I did enjoy it just a bit more. Good movie, but not astounding or memorable. The subject matter didn't really matter to me, so I guess it didn't have a lasting effect, in the sense that it didn't feel like any more than a "forbidden love" love story for me. It didn't matter if it was two guys, two girls, or a guy and a girl.

Grade: B+

None of the actors stood out enough for me to say that they deserve any Oscars, and the film itself wasn't above average, like Munich or Crash. I would even take a Capote win over Brokeback. The score was enjoyable, though.

Interesting...

Who voted: MG Casey

What'd you think of the movie, Casey!?