http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=s ... ts_gays_20



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for a second there i thought theres was going to be drama and fighting in this thread, but its only a news articule!

I really wish Christian churches would learn to accept homosexuals. I think its sad that many times they are treated/looked at as evil...dirty...disgusting, ect.

It is against their religion after all ...

KJ

Lovemerox, would you suggest that the government force the Methodist Church to accept gays in ministerial roles?

They go by the book, so it's not like anything is going to change anytime soon.

No, why?

I know, It just saddens me...thats all

I just wondered. I'm glad of your answer.

Kinda OT, but:

During last week's special on Matthew Shepard they had images of the people outside at his trial, and its nothing new to me but there were people with signs that said something like

"Fags Die, God Smiles"

I didn't know God was so sweet or I would've become religious so long ago

More respect for me?

That is disgusting and those are the people who give Christians a HORRIBLE name

This kind of behavior is why i'll always say if Jesus were alive today, he'd hate Christians.

Exactly, many christians are hateful and give off the wrong message of what christianity really is



Check your PM makeshift

Ok, you guys know that I know not all Christians are the same, so when I refer to Christians I dont mean to generalize, it's just easier that way, right?

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Those people really, make me feel something...surprise, disbelief, I dont know?

Are they so stupid, so ignorant, or just hypocrits? Do they realize that that kind of behavior is the completel opposite of what Christianity teaches? Do they just look for the first excuse they can find for the actions?


I jsut find it so disgusting. They call themselves religious, and they are doing what's right, but I don't know any religion that teaches hate. That says murder is ok. Isn't not judging others one of the big rules. What did Jesus do when he came across Mary Magdalene?

WHY WHY WHY would they used God and religion as an excuse for something like that.

Yeah, I know I've been through this issue before but it's so illogical to me. And I gues I'll keep wondering til I get answers, which is unlikely to happen.

The thing with the hard right, and why they choose to force their superstitious believes on others, is because they honestly believe that if homosexulaity is "forced" upon the public and accepted as an okay thing, we're going to experience something like what happened in the Old Testament all over again (floods and plagues and all that good stuff). This is, of course, not the thought patterns of a sane person, but they actually believe this stuff. Unfortunately, there is nothing we can do to stop them but remind them that everytime they wish death on a "fag" or blow up a planned parenthood that Jesus would not approve, and is most certainly going to make them pay in the afterlife.

The world is full of people who believe something and THEN use the Bible to find a justification for it. I think anti-gay bigotry is one of those things. The Bible spends very little actual time on the issue, but you'd think homosexuality was the moral equivalent of murder.

The Bible, for example, makes it quite clear that worshipping other gods is a major sin. It's the FIRST of the ten commandments. But you never hear them talk about outlawing that.

It has nothing to do with what he did when he came across the Magdalene, he was looking to bring people in. Its always different to be peripheral and recruit than to be in power and execute (I meant exclude). Anyways, if you really want to know the technicalities, I mentioned how Jesus and Magdalene (a by-product being all women) were interpretted after the effect.*

Zingaling, to say they "Go by the book" fails to take into consideration that "The Book" was never so regularized. What do you think the '95 thesis was about? The split between the Othodox and the Roman Catholic even earlier. The Franciscans? The list goes on. Every group interprets it their own way, and as Beeble pointed out, that's when they're previously existing investments and language play out. The Bible changes all the time, or why would we have 50 different types of official churches? Why would we have three major religions branching out from the same Genesis? The people with those signs are just taking their desires and supporting them with divine claim. Its nothing new, everyone does it...hey, I just finished up a paper on how Joan of Arc did it to lead battles to restore Charles VII to the throne. People recruit God to their cause, and usually the first thing to go is the actual 10 commandments.

Lets see, as Joan said in her first inquisition, "God helps those who help themselves." This idiots out by the side of the road are nothing new, I just wish they'd get over two paragraphs talking about a pillar of salt and read a little deeper into the incident. They'd realize it was about mistreating and violating guests, and failing to be a gracious host to those seeking help at your door. That's pretty much it.

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This is so true. I believe the act of homosexuality is mentioned twice in the bible, and it's just a sort of fleeting thing. But, like you said, the way Christians act about it you'd think it were a ten commandment.

She knew what the christian church feels towards homosexuals, so it is her fault really.

Martin Luther King, Jr knew how southerners felt about blacks. So it's really his fault he got shot.

Is that the logic here?

No, there really isn't

Not saying he was wrong, but I'm sure King knew that was a risk when he chose to stand up for civil rights.

This doesn't bother me, it's a private religious thing.

The Presbyterian church where my mom works used to have a closeted lesbian minister. When she came out of the closet she was forced to retire, and many people wrote letters to the church saying that they won't donate anymore.

That still didin't stop them from accomplishing a 5-year $5 million pledge drive in 6 months