The Oscar Throwdown Thread (Formerly The BFCA Thread)
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haerpinot
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Some disjointed ramblings -
Dennis Miller needs to crawl into a dark hole and never sneak his way into the public eye again. People aren't laughing because they're offended, they aren't laughing because you're not funny. This also goes for Cedric the "Entertainer" and to a lesser extent, John Legumeswhatever.
Note to Narnia Guy - Narnia IS a kiddie movie, that's why it's in the kiddie movie category. And don't whine when you win an award, especially when you win an award for a movie that isn't even mildly entertaining for most people over 10 years old.
March of the Penguins over Grizzly Man? Really?
Dakota Fanning wins for shrieking her way through War of the Worlds. At least we can all sleep a little easier knowing she didn't take the award for Hide & Seek.
Did the camera have to pan to George Clooney / Julia Roberts every 2.5 minutes? It got a bit more under control as the ceremony went on but for awhile I thought they were the only two people in attendance.
The In Memoriam bit was indeed an unexpected amusing moment. The Alone in the Dark joke is pretty stale, but still funnier than anything anyone else had to offer.
I do love Crash (lower your opinion of me accordingly) but I found myself mildly disappointed whenever it won something. Thankfully its winning ended after the first half hour, but I had a sinking feeling it would get Best Picture.
The big awards were deserving, if predictable. I do hope Hoffman and Giamatti take the effort to shower at least a week before the Oscars if that's not too much to ask. I really hope it's not.
The biggest question mark right now appears to be Supporting Actress, hopefully if there is a tie at the Oscars it will be broken by a thumb war.
anyway Go Brokeback! Continue to lose Munich! and the Academy best give Good Night, and Good Luck at least one award.
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andaroo1
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I think Haerpinot may be more spiteful than I am.
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Tue Jan 10, 2006 1:55 am |
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haerpinot
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Is it ok if I take that as a compliment?
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Tue Jan 10, 2006 2:02 am |
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andaroo1
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Tue Jan 10, 2006 2:07 am |
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I do find it somewhat disrespectful toward Brokeback Mountain to start the end credit before she finished the acceptance speech. I doubt they would do that if it's Spielberg or Clooney who was up there. Also I know Ang gave a long pause after saying "I never like competition since how you compare artistic achievements, especially among good ones, but what the hell, thank you!" and gave a reason for the music to start, but you don't cut him off like that and make one awkward moment.
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Tue Jan 10, 2006 2:08 am |
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Christian
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xiayun wrote: I do find it somewhat disrespectful toward Brokeback Mountain to start the end credit before she finished the acceptance speech. I doubt they would do that if it's Spielberg or Clooney who was up there. Also I know Ang gave a long pause after saying "I never like competition since how you compare artistic achievements, especially among good ones, but what the hell, thank you!" and gave a reason for the music to start, but you don't cut him off like that and make one awkward moment.
Good for him for continuing on!
Sheesh, they had to roll the credits when Brokeback won Picture... it's not like the WB's 10 PM news is very good anyway, heh.
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Tue Jan 10, 2006 2:13 am |
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haerpinot
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andaroo wrote: It was meant to be. What's your sign? 
(Insert amusing road sign.)
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Tue Jan 10, 2006 2:16 am |
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GCC
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xiayun wrote: Watching the delayed telecast. That was a hilarious piece about Doom, Alone in the Dark, and all the dead movies.
I agree. I really liked that bit. I laughed out loud.
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Tue Jan 10, 2006 2:59 am |
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Raffiki
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Christian wrote: xiayun wrote: I do find it somewhat disrespectful toward Brokeback Mountain to start the end credit before she finished the acceptance speech. I doubt they would do that if it's Spielberg or Clooney who was up there. Also I know Ang gave a long pause after saying "I never like competition since how you compare artistic achievements, especially among good ones, but what the hell, thank you!" and gave a reason for the music to start, but you don't cut him off like that and make one awkward moment. Good for him for continuing on! Sheesh, they had to roll the credits when Brokeback won Picture... it's not like the WB's 10 PM news is very good anyway, heh.
Hehe... ya. And they didn't even go over the time limit. They could have gave up a few extra minutes, which if anything, would have boosted the news ratings even if by 7 people
My comments on the night....
I don't think a single segment of the show (as in between commercials) went by without the mention of the movie 'Crash'
I'm starting to really like that it's winning actually. As time went on, I thought I'd grow more distant to it, but I'm glad it's recieved all that it has. I still don't want it to win Best Picture (despite it being my best of the year), but whatever.... at least it doesn't walk away the awards season with nothing; I'm glad it was remembered.
Those penguins just sorta killed the credibility of the awards don't you say? I haven't seen it yet, but dear lord I hope the Oscar goes to Murderball!
Ummm... since when was Dakota Fanning a 50 year old woman? I had almost never heard her speak outside of her movies (very few of which I've seen) and I was shocked to hear her talk so.... mature!
However... I was extremely disappointed with the young acting category. Didn't Freddie highmore win last year?? It doesn't matter, Jessie Eisenberg and Owen Kline were so good, they deserve to be Oscar nominees in the supporting category and not in another category of lesser value. And I haven't seen The New World, but from what I hear Kilcher was wayy better than Fanning, though Fanning is pretty good.
Even with all the wins, I'm still not feeling Brokeback. It would be such an odd choice for Best Picture winner. Will this be the first year where critics, critics associations, and the OScars all agree on one movie as the best of the year? something doesn't fit... I could still see Munich gaining steam with the Oscars. Yes, I said it. I wouldn't bet against Brokeback now, but I would not be the least shocked if another film took the big prize.
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Tue Jan 10, 2006 3:00 am |
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Groucho
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Dennis Miller was a terrible host. He's just not funny, and he pauses for laughter that never comes.
The "in memorium" dead film bit was hilarious, though.
I wonder if Brokeback will win the Oscar and then years later, be looked at in the same way we look back at Out of Africa or Kramer verses Kramer or Terms of Endearment or other maudlin films that really don't stand the test of time as well as some of the ones that lost to them.
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Tue Jan 10, 2006 11:15 am |
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Dr. Lecter
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Groucho wrote: Dennis Miller was a terrible host. He's just not funny, and he pauses for laughter that never comes.
The "in memorium" dead film bit was hilarious, though.
I wonder if Brokeback will win the Oscar and then years later, be looked at in the same way we look back at Out of Africa or Kramer verses Kramer or Terms of Endearment or other maudlin films that really don't stand the test of time as well as some of the ones that lost to them.
The situation might be a bit different since those that will lose will be just as not memorable. Those that will be remembered will be the ones not even nominated, I suppose.
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Tue Jan 10, 2006 11:18 am |
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Lect hit the bullseye.
Groucho, BBM does remind me a lot of Terms and Kramer, the meh Best Pic winners of years past. BBM does attempt a lofty goal, to tell a tragic love story about homosexuals. But I think it fails on almost every level, in respect to the tragic love story.
The difference this year, as Lect pointed out, is that Good Night, Crash, and Capote all are as forgettable, if not more.
Munich, WTL, and Kong (I know, I know) are the only films that could pass the ten year test.
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Tue Jan 10, 2006 11:43 am |
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Dr. Lecter
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Yeah, but even Walk the Line will be just another footnote in film history, just like Ray.
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Tue Jan 10, 2006 11:44 am |
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Dr. Lecter wrote: Yeah, but even Walk the Line will be just another footnote in film history, just like Ray.
Walk the Line has Cash, which guarantees continued viewership.
Capote is no Cash, Murrow is no Cash. Everyone knows how I felt about WTL, but I can't deny that a lot of people will continue to watch it throughout the years, same with Ray. Most biopics about musicians get that free pass.
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Tue Jan 10, 2006 11:48 am |
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Dr. Lecter
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But unlike King Kong or Munich, it is extremely unlikely that either of the two movies will ever find itself on anyone's Top 10 of all time or even of the decade. And "extremely unlikely" is an understatement.
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Tue Jan 10, 2006 11:52 am |
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Dr. Lecter wrote: But unlike King Kong or Munich, it is extremely unlikely that either of the two movies will ever find itself on anyone's Top 10 of all time or even of the decade. And "extremely unlikely" is an understatement.
We're completely on the same page.
The AMPAS is blowing their chance with Kong and Munich.
If Kong gets 5 or 6 tech noms, that's more than enough to justify a BP nom. There's no reason not to nominate it over a character study like Capote or even *gulp* Crash.
Munich puzzles me to no end. I can't even rationalize the idea of it missing a BP nom. At least with Kong, one could use the ever so weak LOTR agrument.
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Tue Jan 10, 2006 11:57 am |
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Dr. Lecter
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I think Munich will get a nom. But if Munich really misses out to Capote....that's something AMPAS will regret for years to come.
I just can't even put it in words...it is just that....Eternal Sunshine was snubbed. Almost Famous was snubbed. Adaptation was snubbed. Being John Malkovich was snubbed. All of them had at least as much love from critics and audiences as Capote and each of them has made at least twice as much money at the box-office. So how could it come it this is sheerly inexplainable.
Now I still think Munich will get it. I haven't even seen either Munich or Capote, but I cannot fathom Capote being more deserving of a nom. For so many different reasons.
King Kong, I can understand. Popcorn blockbuster curse, I suppose. But Munich?
Anyway, even Munich can't already make up for the weak season that it is. I hope I won't offend too many, when I say the following, but...when a movie about two gay cowboys is the sole frontrunner for Best Picture you truly know how much the award season has sucked.
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Tue Jan 10, 2006 12:05 pm |
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MikeQ.
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Dr. Lecter wrote: I just can't even put it in words...it is just that....Eternal Sunshine was snubbed. Almost Famous was snubbed. Adaptation was snubbed. Being John Malkovich was snubbed. All of them had at least as much love from critics and audiences as Capote and each of them has made at least twice as much money at the box-office. So how could it come it this is sheerly inexplainable.
You've hit on the nail right there. Huge critic favourites in the past like those you list, and Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind which I consider absolutely brilliant, all missed out on Oscar nominations.
But now it looks like Crash and Capote could get Oscar noms? Like, what the hell? It's just boggling.
Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind NOT getting an Oscar nom and Crash getting one would be absolutely ridiculous. They are one year apart, both released early in the year, and both made a modest amount of money. Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind is a million times better than Crash. Just ridiculous.
I'd rather see The Constant Gardener, Munich, King Kong, and A History of Violence up there. The one year it looks like the Oscars may choose all relatively small films, and they go after the crummy ones. Puhleeeeeeease.
I'm totally cheering for Brokeback Mountain now. It is the only possible winner left that I can cheer for.
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Tue Jan 10, 2006 2:57 pm |
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Rod
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Dr. Lecter wrote: I think Munich will get a nom. But if Munich really misses out to Capote....that's something AMPAS will regret for years to come.
I just can't even put it in words...it is just that....Eternal Sunshine was snubbed. Almost Famous was snubbed. Adaptation was snubbed. Being John Malkovich was snubbed. All of them had at least as much love from critics and audiences as Capote and each of them has made at least twice as much money at the box-office. So how could it come it this is sheerly inexplainable.
Now I still think Munich will get it. I haven't even seen either Munich or Capote, but I cannot fathom Capote being more deserving of a nom. For so many different reasons.
King Kong, I can understand. Popcorn blockbuster curse, I suppose. But Munich?
Anyway, even Munich can't already make up for the weak season that it is. I hope I won't offend too many, when I say the following, but...when a movie about two gay cowboys is the sole frontrunner for Best Picture you truly know how much the award season has sucked.
why?
Munich did not get nearly as much love, from critics at least, as Capote. why is it surprising that it'd doing better? Just personal preference?
are teh final vote tallies out, BTW?
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Tue Jan 10, 2006 3:03 pm |
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Dkmuto wrote: How many of the nominees were actually at the show?
Probably should have watched.
The majority of them, actually.
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Tue Jan 10, 2006 4:46 pm |
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dar
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Rod wrote: Dr. Lecter wrote: I think Munich will get a nom. But if Munich really misses out to Capote....that's something AMPAS will regret for years to come.
I just can't even put it in words...it is just that....Eternal Sunshine was snubbed. Almost Famous was snubbed. Adaptation was snubbed. Being John Malkovich was snubbed. All of them had at least as much love from critics and audiences as Capote and each of them has made at least twice as much money at the box-office. So how could it come it this is sheerly inexplainable.
Now I still think Munich will get it. I haven't even seen either Munich or Capote, but I cannot fathom Capote being more deserving of a nom. For so many different reasons.
King Kong, I can understand. Popcorn blockbuster curse, I suppose. But Munich?
Anyway, even Munich can't already make up for the weak season that it is. I hope I won't offend too many, when I say the following, but...when a movie about two gay cowboys is the sole frontrunner for Best Picture you truly know how much the award season has sucked. why? Munich did not get nearly as much love, from critics at least, as Capote. why is it surprising that it'd doing better? Just personal preference? are teh final vote tallies out, BTW?
I agree.
The idea is basically "this year sucks cause the movies I like are not loved and the ones I don´t like are being rewarded". That´s ok, but It´s just a personal feeling, and nobody knows what people will be remember in 20 years or not...
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Tue Jan 10, 2006 5:27 pm |
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haerpinot
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Well, Eternal Sunshine, Adaptation, and Being John Malkovich all have one thing in common that might have contributed to them not being nominated for BP - writer Charlie Kaufman. For whatever reason the Academy has never warmed up to him enough to nominate his movies for BP; they've warmed up to him enough to give him an Oscar but I think they consider his movies too quirky and not capable of attracting regular moviegoers. And if I recall, Being John Malkovich was the most surprising snub, Eternal Sunshine was at most considered a dark horse. The Almost Famous snub still surprises me, but stranger things have happened.
Dr. Lecter wrote: when a movie about two gay cowboys is the sole frontrunner for Best Picture you truly know how much the award season has sucked.
This criticism always confuses me. Let's say King Kong was a frontrunner, I mean what is more ridiculous than a movie about a giant gorilla wreaking havoc on New York City winning Best Picture? Or, going back a bit, what about Beauty & the Beast, a movie about a woman falling in love with a beast while talking household objects sing and dance? Somehow I don't think people would be complaining as much in either case. I couldn't care less if a movie is about racism, terrorism, revenge, gay cowboys, geishas, giant gorillas, or lizards doing the waltz in space, if it's the best movie of the year then it deserves to win, regardless of the subject matter. And Brokeback Mountain, yes the movie about gay cowboys, is in my (and many others') opinion the best movie of the year and just because it is seen as the frontrunner does not make this a sucky awards season. What makes this a sucky awards season for many I think is the inability of many Oscar contenders to live up to their hype as well as Brokeback has.
Oh and for the record, I think Brokeback will be remembered years to come, perhaps the most memorable movie of 2005. But we can't really test that theory for a few decades or so.
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Tue Jan 10, 2006 5:39 pm |
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dar wrote: The idea is basically "this year sucks cause the movies I like are not loved and the ones I don´t like are being rewarded". That´s ok, but It´s just a personal feeling, and nobody knows what people will be remember in 20 years or not...
The problem is it isn't only a select few. Visit any Oscar board and you'll hear the same thing. Over and Over and Over
I've never seen this sort of reaction to the Oscars before. And I've been around a while.
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Tue Jan 10, 2006 5:40 pm |
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kypade
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eh, nevermind, I'll let Dar and haerpinot handle it. :o
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Tue Jan 10, 2006 5:53 pm |
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Rod
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I also bet half the people (probably more) bitching have not even seen all or most of the movies in question.
Have you seen Capote, Artur?
The Eternal Sunshine comparison is absolutely ridiculous. As much as I love the movie and think it deserved a best picture nomination more than 80% of last year's nominees, it's not the kind of movie the academy goes for regardless of how good. A biopic is. It's as simple as that.
So again, have you seen it? The box office arguement is ridiculous, the awards are not supposed to be about what movie is the most popular but what is best (that's not completely the case but that's a nother story). Next to Brokeback Mountain no movie has recevied better reviews than Capote. If it means pissing people off in getting good movies nominated (assuming critics are right, i have not seen capote. sometimes i can agree iwth them. sometimes they seem to overhype a just very good but not excellent movie um...sideways) then i'm up for it. maybe we would see movie like before sunset and eternal sunshine nominated more often
There's always the People's Choice Awards if you wanna see a King Kong, Star Wars, Dukes of Hazzard, Are We There Yet, The Longest Yardlineup? There's always hope at the MTV Movie awards.
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