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1-Pirates of the Caribbean: Dead Man's Chest - 93.0
2-X-Men 3 - 88.0
3-Mission: Impossible 3 - 71.0
4-Superman Returns - 65.0
5-Cars - 55.0
6-Ice Age 2 - 52.0
7-Casino Royale - 50.0
8-The Da Vinci Code - 48.0
9-Over the Hedge - 47.0
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Date Movie - 42.0
Poseidon - 30.0

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Jiffy208 wrote:
I think someone here proved that a film doing business at maximum capacity could make like $170-$180m in a weekend, I'm not sure.


I think it can easily be higher.

12,000 screens, 12 shows each per weekend, 275 seat average (it's probably higher), $6.5 per ticket = 257.4m + maximum midnights = over 280m.

162m is easily possible IMO. I only expect 50m-55m on both Friday and Saturday minus the midnights, which is not much higher then what we have seen before.

The only question is whether there is enough demand for the movie.

The only reason I think 180m is the limit at this time is because I can't see any movie having more demand then that.


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Wow, you guys are on a serious overpredicting streak. DP07, I don't understand how you can think Superman will open over 100 million and then Pirates will open over 160 million the next weekend. Even if Superman has a MAMMOTH drop to 40 million, that would mean over 200 million from the top two movies alone of the Pirates weekend. You really think it's possible to have an aggragate weekend of 250 million or so??? That, IMO, is just not possible yet.

Besides, you keep saying the record can be broken by more than the 37% that Batman broke it by. How? I see absolutely no evidence to support this. Batman was a phenom when it came out, and it's arrival coincided with an increase in theaters and screens, meaning there was more capacity to fill. The same thing happened in 2001. Between last year and this year, however, no such change has occured to indicate that such an increase is possible. Unless if Pirates opens in 8-10 screens per theater (which is NOT going to happen, especially is Sups, as you predict, is a 100 million grosser the weekend before) it simply does not have the capacity required to make 160 million. It is, in other words, impossible, because even if every single show, everywhere, the entire weekend, is sold out it still won't make it.


I do think a 250m weekend is possible (and I do think Superman will drop to around 40m).

Return of the Jedi broke the record by 60%. Like this one, by that time that was a weak record that was just waiting to be broken. If Harry Potter did not happen open when it did SM would have broken the record by 59%. All I'm asking for is 41% higher then a record that for all practical purposes has already been broken.


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DP07 wrote:
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Wow, you guys are on a serious overpredicting streak. DP07, I don't understand how you can think Superman will open over 100 million and then Pirates will open over 160 million the next weekend. Even if Superman has a MAMMOTH drop to 40 million, that would mean over 200 million from the top two movies alone of the Pirates weekend. You really think it's possible to have an aggragate weekend of 250 million or so??? That, IMO, is just not possible yet.

Besides, you keep saying the record can be broken by more than the 37% that Batman broke it by. How? I see absolutely no evidence to support this. Batman was a phenom when it came out, and it's arrival coincided with an increase in theaters and screens, meaning there was more capacity to fill. The same thing happened in 2001. Between last year and this year, however, no such change has occured to indicate that such an increase is possible. Unless if Pirates opens in 8-10 screens per theater (which is NOT going to happen, especially is Sups, as you predict, is a 100 million grosser the weekend before) it simply does not have the capacity required to make 160 million. It is, in other words, impossible, because even if every single show, everywhere, the entire weekend, is sold out it still won't make it.


I do think a 250m weekend is possible (and I do think Superman will drop to around 40m).

Return of the Jedi broke the record by 60%. Like this one, by that time that was a weak record that was just waiting to be broken. If Harry Potter did not happen open when it did SM would have broken the record by 59%. All I'm asking for is 41% higher then a record that for all practical purposes has already been broken.



The record will be smashed 140m+ for Pirates 2. Sups has 100m+ in the bag :biggrin:

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Okay, who wants to see Pirates 2 that much? Harry Potter was the movie to see in 2001. Spider-Man was the movie to see in 2002.

Pirates 2 is the sequel to a fun movie a lot of people liked. It's got Back to the Future 2 written all over it.


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BJ wrote:
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Temujin wrote:
Wow, you guys are on a serious overpredicting streak. DP07, I don't understand how you can think Superman will open over 100 million and then Pirates will open over 160 million the next weekend. Even if Superman has a MAMMOTH drop to 40 million, that would mean over 200 million from the top two movies alone of the Pirates weekend. You really think it's possible to have an aggragate weekend of 250 million or so??? That, IMO, is just not possible yet.

Besides, you keep saying the record can be broken by more than the 37% that Batman broke it by. How? I see absolutely no evidence to support this. Batman was a phenom when it came out, and it's arrival coincided with an increase in theaters and screens, meaning there was more capacity to fill. The same thing happened in 2001. Between last year and this year, however, no such change has occured to indicate that such an increase is possible. Unless if Pirates opens in 8-10 screens per theater (which is NOT going to happen, especially is Sups, as you predict, is a 100 million grosser the weekend before) it simply does not have the capacity required to make 160 million. It is, in other words, impossible, because even if every single show, everywhere, the entire weekend, is sold out it still won't make it.


I do think a 250m weekend is possible (and I do think Superman will drop to around 40m).

Return of the Jedi broke the record by 60%. Like this one, by that time that was a weak record that was just waiting to be broken. If Harry Potter did not happen open when it did SM would have broken the record by 59%. All I'm asking for is 41% higher then a record that for all practical purposes has already been broken.



The record will be smashed 140m+ for Pirates 2. Sups has 100m+ in the bag :biggrin:


I could see 140 million. Star wars opened to 50, and I think that it is impossible for the hype to be bigger, however, due to opening on Friday instead of thursday, I could see maybe 53 million on Friday. I could see Saturday at around 50, which would still be a large increase over the previous record of 44 by Shrek II. Then Sunday would drop to maybe 40 million, which would be 143. Any more, I think is a pipe dream. But hey, it would be AWESOME to see, as I'm both a box office, and a POTC fan!! :biggrin:

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Okay, who wants to see Pirates 2 that much? Harry Potter was the movie to see in 2001. Spider-Man was the movie to see in 2002.

Pirates 2 is the sequel to a fun movie a lot of people liked. It's got Back to the Future 2 written all over it.


Just about everyone liked, no loved, POTC. Although I personally wouldn't quite say I loved it; it's not my type of movie.

-I saw a regular Saturday Narnia audience erupt into applause for the movie. I've never seen anything that was even nearly like that with the hundreds of trailers I've seen in theaters.
-It's 9th all-time at Yahoo. Ahead is stuff like ROTK, SW, Raiders, Shawshank Redemption, Schinder's List, and The Godfather.
-It continues to hold up better then just about everything at yahoo reviews. It's on pace to overtake ROTK as the most reviewed movie even without the sequel. That goes to show how many more fans it's adding. It's no coincidence that ND and The Notebook have had the most impressive holds at yahoo reviews among 2004 releases while also having the most impressive DVD sales.
-Amazing DVD sales; over 230m was listed at the end of 2003, and it's obviously sold quite a few more since.

How often do you see all these things for any film? This is not another BTTF.


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Temujin wrote:
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Temujin wrote:
Wow, you guys are on a serious overpredicting streak. DP07, I don't understand how you can think Superman will open over 100 million and then Pirates will open over 160 million the next weekend. Even if Superman has a MAMMOTH drop to 40 million, that would mean over 200 million from the top two movies alone of the Pirates weekend. You really think it's possible to have an aggragate weekend of 250 million or so??? That, IMO, is just not possible yet.

Besides, you keep saying the record can be broken by more than the 37% that Batman broke it by. How? I see absolutely no evidence to support this. Batman was a phenom when it came out, and it's arrival coincided with an increase in theaters and screens, meaning there was more capacity to fill. The same thing happened in 2001. Between last year and this year, however, no such change has occured to indicate that such an increase is possible. Unless if Pirates opens in 8-10 screens per theater (which is NOT going to happen, especially is Sups, as you predict, is a 100 million grosser the weekend before) it simply does not have the capacity required to make 160 million. It is, in other words, impossible, because even if every single show, everywhere, the entire weekend, is sold out it still won't make it.


I do think a 250m weekend is possible (and I do think Superman will drop to around 40m).

Return of the Jedi broke the record by 60%. Like this one, by that time that was a weak record that was just waiting to be broken. If Harry Potter did not happen open when it did SM would have broken the record by 59%. All I'm asking for is 41% higher then a record that for all practical purposes has already been broken.



The record will be smashed 140m+ for Pirates 2. Sups has 100m+ in the bag :biggrin:


I could see 140 million. Star wars opened to 50, and I think that it is impossible for the hype to be bigger, however, due to opening on Friday instead of thursday, I could see maybe 53 million on Friday. I could see Saturday at around 50, which would still be a large increase over the previous record of 44 by Shrek II. Then Sunday would drop to maybe 40 million, which would be 143. Any more, I think is a pipe dream. But hey, it would be AWESOME to see, as I'm both a box office, and a POTC fan!! :biggrin:


Friday - 62m (12m at midnight)
Saturday - 54m
Sunday - 46m - Pirates tended to drop around 18% on Sundays in July, and massive blockbusters tend to hold up better then usual on their first Sunday.


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DP07 wrote:
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Temujin wrote:
Wow, you guys are on a serious overpredicting streak. DP07, I don't understand how you can think Superman will open over 100 million and then Pirates will open over 160 million the next weekend. Even if Superman has a MAMMOTH drop to 40 million, that would mean over 200 million from the top two movies alone of the Pirates weekend. You really think it's possible to have an aggragate weekend of 250 million or so??? That, IMO, is just not possible yet.

Besides, you keep saying the record can be broken by more than the 37% that Batman broke it by. How? I see absolutely no evidence to support this. Batman was a phenom when it came out, and it's arrival coincided with an increase in theaters and screens, meaning there was more capacity to fill. The same thing happened in 2001. Between last year and this year, however, no such change has occured to indicate that such an increase is possible. Unless if Pirates opens in 8-10 screens per theater (which is NOT going to happen, especially is Sups, as you predict, is a 100 million grosser the weekend before) it simply does not have the capacity required to make 160 million. It is, in other words, impossible, because even if every single show, everywhere, the entire weekend, is sold out it still won't make it.


I do think a 250m weekend is possible (and I do think Superman will drop to around 40m).

Return of the Jedi broke the record by 60%. Like this one, by that time that was a weak record that was just waiting to be broken. If Harry Potter did not happen open when it did SM would have broken the record by 59%. All I'm asking for is 41% higher then a record that for all practical purposes has already been broken.



The record will be smashed 140m+ for Pirates 2. Sups has 100m+ in the bag :biggrin:


I could see 140 million. Star wars opened to 50, and I think that it is impossible for the hype to be bigger, however, due to opening on Friday instead of thursday, I could see maybe 53 million on Friday. I could see Saturday at around 50, which would still be a large increase over the previous record of 44 by Shrek II. Then Sunday would drop to maybe 40 million, which would be 143. Any more, I think is a pipe dream. But hey, it would be AWESOME to see, as I'm both a box office, and a POTC fan!! :biggrin:


Friday - 62m (12m at midnight)
Saturday - 54m
Sunday - 46m - Pirates tended to drop around 18% on Sundays in July, and massive blockbusters tend to hold up better then usual on their first Sunday.


BJ likes :biggrin:

Its amazing how many time Spideys record would have been broken by now if every film were released on Friday instead of Wednesday or Thursday.

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DP07 wrote:
-Amazing DVD sales; over 230m was listed at the end of 2003,


13.3 million copies sold for the #3 highest selling DVD of the year. Impressive, but not earth-shattering. It came in five million units behind Finding Nemo.

As for your applause report, I don't doubt it -- but on my end, I go to a theater that gets applause quite often, and there wasn't a peep heard for Dead Man's Chest.


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The Dark Shape wrote:
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-Amazing DVD sales; over 230m was listed at the end of 2003,


13.3 million copies sold for the #3 highest selling DVD of the year. Impressive, but not earth-shattering. It came in five million units behind Finding Nemo.


I think it is actually more along the lines of earth shattering considering the circumstances. Ahead of it was TTT which had more or less the same percentage of its BO gross. Nemo was an animated film, and the great WOM (even if weaker then POTC) only helped. Animated films will always fill the top sellers list, but POTC sold far more then ROTS, SM2, and any HP film. Besides LOTR no fair comparision can match it.

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As for your applause report, I don't doubt it -- but on my end, I go to a theater that gets applause quite often, and there wasn't a peep heard for Dead Man's Chest.


Mine probably would have been the same if one person had not started it all. I've seen one person do that many times before; they usually get laughed at even if the trailer is for something like ROTK. What surprised me was the way the applause spread. Audiences don't often show much of a reaction in my area, and it think it demonstrated quite a bit of anticipation.


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I definitly don't think Pirates 2 will break the record.

It's not the same situation as Spiderman and SW: Episode III. With those 2, it wasn't just regular moviegoers who were intrigued enough that they wanted to see it that bad. They also had the big fanboy effect, meaning the outside campers and all. The only way SW was able to get 50 mil opening day, was from those diehard obsessors. Same thing with the Spiderman opening, there was a shitload of fans from the old comic, the cartoon, Marvel nuts, every kid in America knows his names, etc. These movies were life-support to some people.

The Pirates franchise doesn't have that yet, at least I don't think so. It's a movie that everyone loved, but people aren't going to be absolutely bonkers over it's opening. With an action-adventure movie, you don't have the same type of diehard cult fanbase that enabled SM and SW to reach so far.

And yeah, the trailer for this movie sucked. It didn't really capture the feel of the first, it was just all shots of Jack the entire time. People liked him, but they liked him in the ensemble with Orlando and Knightly more. Too much Jack overload = People being disgusted.

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The Pirates franchise doesn't have that yet, at least I don't think so. It's a movie that everyone loved, but people aren't going to be absolutely bonkers over it's opening. With an action-adventure movie, you don't have the same type of diehard cult fanbase that enabled SM and SW to reach so far.


You're obviously not visiting the right online and offline sites. The fanbase for PotC is HUGE, and it's getting bigger every day. We're gonna be out there in force opening weekend, and we're gonna prove everyone wrong about this not being a "fanboy/girl" movie along the lines of Star Wars or Spider-Man.

PotC is a definitely cult hit. There are groups all around the country who are STILL holding special screenings of the movie for the PotC Interactive stuff. We have DVD nights on message boards and IMs where we all synchronize our PotC DVDs and watch the movie together while having running commentary.

I think people are definitely underestimating the power of the PotC fanbase. Remember, it was we who fueled the first movie to become such a huge domestic hit both at the box-office and in video/dvd rentals/sales. And there are more of us now than there was when the first movie came out initially. And our fanbase is growing all the time.

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1. Pirates of the Caribbean: Dead Man's Chest - $109m
2. X-Men 3 - $96m
3. Mission: Impossible III - $68m
4. Cars - $61m
5. Ice Age 2: The Meltdown - $57m
6. Superman Returns - $54m
7. The Da Vinci Code - $52m
8. Casino Royale - $50m
9. Click - $49m
10. Over the Hedge - $47m
11. Happy Feet - $44m
12. Poseidon - $42m
13. Miami Vice - $40m
14. Flushed Away - $39m
15. The Fast and the Furious: Tokyo Drift - $36m


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Magnus101 wrote:
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-Amazing DVD sales; over 230m was listed at the end of 2003,


13.3 million copies sold for the #3 highest selling DVD of the year. Impressive, but not earth-shattering. It came in five million units behind Finding Nemo.


I beleive Nemo was released earlier too.

But DVD sales is not just hte important thing about sequels. Rentals are huge. I mean, remember, a movies auidence is not the people who saw it in theaters or those who own the DVD. It's just the people who have seen the film period.


Pirates of the Caribbean grossed $39 million in rentals, #39 the year it came out.


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Pirates of the Caribbean grossed $39 million in rentals, #39 the year it came out.


According to IMDB, it's near $70 million, and about $30 million more than Finding Nemo.


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Then IMDB's wrong (which isn't exactly rare). videobusiness.com has it at $39 million.


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Then IMDB's wrong (which isn't exactly rare). videobusiness.com has it at $39 million.


How's that even possible if it made $19.5 million in rentals in its first five days?

http://www.comingsoon.net/news/dvdnews.php?id=2664


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Initial rush. Seriously, who's more reliable on the subject: IMDb, which is updated by its users, or a website that's dedicated to tracking sales and rental numbers?


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Initial rush. Seriously, who's more reliable on the subject: IMDb, which is updated by its users, or a website that's dedicated to tracking sales and rental numbers?


Initial rush? Rentals aren't that frontloaded. With $19 million in rentals in the first week, $60-70 million sounds a lot more reasonable than $39 million, which sounds impossible. I've never seen a film that frontloaded in rentals, especially around December. videobusiness's number sounds unrealistic.

And, let's not forget that it kinda sold 11 million units in its first week. DVD sales are usually very frontloaded, but not rentals. Still, 11 million is outstanding for a first week figure.


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Oh, and IMDB rental charts aren't user-updated. They get their information from Home Media Retailing.


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I find it interesting that POTC is leading the summer most anticipated poll at BOM. Now, I wouldn't consider a BOM to be such a great indicator given the way the audience can skew in certain ways. However, X3 has the clear advantage there with over 80% males and a lack of little kids. Yet, Pirates leads by about 40%. heh. It's also interesting that The Da Vinci Code is nearly even with X3 although X3 again has home field advantage.

I really think we are going to see a hyped blockbuster the likes of which we have not seen since at least TPM. I think over 525m is possible which would make it the most impressive hyped blockbuster in at least 2 decades IMO.


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Notr that it means much, but there was a Germany-wide poll held about the most anticipated movie of the summer and the candidates were M:I-3, The Da Vinci Code, X-Men 3, POTC2 and I think something else.

Anyway, M:I-3 got like 2% (heh), POTC2 about 12-15% while X-men 3 owned with about 50%, even though POTC has beaten X2 in Germany by over 150%.

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I really think we are going to see a hyped blockbuster the likes of which we have not seen since at least TPM. I think over 525m is possible which would make it the most impressive hyped blockbuster in at least 2 decades IMO.


Were there CNN stories about the teaser trailer hitting theaters?


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It's a bit OT, but I would say ROTS was more hyped than TPM anyway.

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