Friday Numbers from SBD !!!!
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Bradley Witherberry
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mark66 wrote: The reason why the average seems disappointing to most (not me) is quite simple. Unlike other movies like BROKEBACK MOUNTAIN the movie is playing in just one auditorium per theater instead of multiple screens.
Faulty reasoning - the results should be just the opposite...
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Sat Dec 24, 2005 4:34 pm |
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Bradley Witherberry
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BTW, Christmas day is going to be huge for Munich - it's a traditional day for Jewish moviegoers to partake in the silver screen...
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Sat Dec 24, 2005 4:35 pm |
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mdana
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Anyone think maybe we don't understand exactly how this week and weekend actually work? I mean Xiayun was telling us on Thurs. that movies would go up 60-40%, HP4 was the only movie able to top 20% and just barely. Most movies barely went up that much on Friday. BBM didn't seem to go up with a major expansion (could be an accounting problem and didn't get included). All of these movies might have a great Sunday and Monday that don't look possible from Friday's numbers, because we don't know how movies act when Christmas falls on a Sunday. I have yet to see anyone explain how movies increased and dropped in '94 or the 80's when this last happened. Usually, we have a pattern within at least a decade and have daily numbers, this time we don't. I just get the feeling that we don't know what we are looking at... Kong is still headed for a rough weekend unless a miracle happens. However, all the numbers could look much better by Tues. than they do today.
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Sat Dec 24, 2005 4:37 pm |
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mark66
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bradley witherberry wrote: mark66 wrote: The reason why the average seems disappointing to most (not me) is quite simple. Unlike other movies like BROKEBACK MOUNTAIN the movie is playing in just one auditorium per theater instead of multiple screens. Faulty reasoning - the results should be just the opposite...
Oh, come on! You must know there is a difference whether you have a showing every 3 hours or every 30 to 45 minutes.
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Sat Dec 24, 2005 4:37 pm |
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Dr. Lecter
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Uhh...I heard of plenti of theatres in which Brokeback Mountain is playing on two screens, in some even on four screens.
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Sat Dec 24, 2005 4:46 pm |
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Bradley Witherberry
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mark66 wrote: bradley witherberry wrote: mark66 wrote: The reason why the average seems disappointing to most (not me) is quite simple. Unlike other movies like BROKEBACK MOUNTAIN the movie is playing in just one auditorium per theater instead of multiple screens. Faulty reasoning - the results should be just the opposite... Oh, come on! You must know there is a difference whether you have a showing every 3 hours or every 30 to 45 minutes.
You're right about screening length, but as per the part of your post I quoted - I was referring to your assertion that the average would be lower because "the movie is playing in just one auditorium per theater instead of multiple screens" - if it is playing on less screens, all the people who want to see it will be in that one auditorium, thus increasing the average number of people per screen. The rest of your post was correct - you just got that one part bass ackwards...

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Sat Dec 24, 2005 4:47 pm |
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mark66
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bradley witherberry wrote: mark66 wrote: bradley witherberry wrote: mark66 wrote: The reason why the average seems disappointing to most (not me) is quite simple. Unlike other movies like BROKEBACK MOUNTAIN the movie is playing in just one auditorium per theater instead of multiple screens. Faulty reasoning - the results should be just the opposite... Oh, come on! You must know there is a difference whether you have a showing every 3 hours or every 30 to 45 minutes. You're right about screening length, but as per the part of your post I quoted - I was referring to your assertion that the average would be lower because "the movie is playing in just one auditorium per theater instead of multiple screens" - if it is playing on less screens, all the people who want to see it will be in that one auditorium, thus increasing the average number of people per screen. The rest of your post was correct - you just got that one part bass ackwards... 
But the average is dependent on capacity. 4 showings a day in a 200 seater - that's a capacty of 800 tickets, 4 showings in 3 200 seaters - that's a capacity of 2,400 tickets... - The movie with the most capacity should have the bigger average, right? Unfortunately the studios report per theater average not per screen average 
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Sat Dec 24, 2005 4:53 pm |
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Narziss
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scottb wrote: movies35 wrote: If you want to be technical, KONG has a longer running time, less theaters, a higher per-screen-average and made the same amount of NARNIA. Doesn't that mean that KONG is selling more tickets? It is doing really well for itself, it's not a bomb like a lot of you are saying. I have no clue what the fuck you guys are smoking. Well Kong has a reported budget of $207m, the studio gets about half the money made at the box office (perhaps less if any of the cast and crew have a backend deal) so King Kong will have to make at least $415m at the box office for Universal to make any money off of it.
So you also think that Narnia is doing poorly if it doesn't get $360 million (Narnia budget is $180 million) at the domestic boxoffice?
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Sat Dec 24, 2005 4:58 pm |
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Bradley Witherberry
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mark66 wrote: bradley witherberry wrote: mark66 wrote: bradley witherberry wrote: mark66 wrote: The reason why the average seems disappointing to most (not me) is quite simple. Unlike other movies like BROKEBACK MOUNTAIN the movie is playing in just one auditorium per theater instead of multiple screens. Faulty reasoning - the results should be just the opposite... Oh, come on! You must know there is a difference whether you have a showing every 3 hours or every 30 to 45 minutes. You're right about screening length, but as per the part of your post I quoted - I was referring to your assertion that the average would be lower because "the movie is playing in just one auditorium per theater instead of multiple screens" - if it is playing on less screens, all the people who want to see it will be in that one auditorium, thus increasing the average number of people per screen. The rest of your post was correct - you just got that one part bass ackwards...  But the average is dependent on capacity. 4 showings a day in a 200 seater - that's a capacty of 800 tickets, 4 showings in 3 200 seaters - that's a capacity of 2,400 tickets... - The movie with the most capacity should have the bigger average, right? Unfortunately the studios report per theater average not per screen average 
If that's true, I stand corrected - but it is an absolutely meaningless statistic then...
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Sat Dec 24, 2005 5:14 pm |
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mark66
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bradley witherberry wrote: mark66 wrote: bradley witherberry wrote: mark66 wrote: bradley witherberry wrote: mark66 wrote: The reason why the average seems disappointing to most (not me) is quite simple. Unlike other movies like BROKEBACK MOUNTAIN the movie is playing in just one auditorium per theater instead of multiple screens. Faulty reasoning - the results should be just the opposite... Oh, come on! You must know there is a difference whether you have a showing every 3 hours or every 30 to 45 minutes. You're right about screening length, but as per the part of your post I quoted - I was referring to your assertion that the average would be lower because "the movie is playing in just one auditorium per theater instead of multiple screens" - if it is playing on less screens, all the people who want to see it will be in that one auditorium, thus increasing the average number of people per screen. The rest of your post was correct - you just got that one part bass ackwards...  But the average is dependent on capacity. 4 showings a day in a 200 seater - that's a capacty of 800 tickets, 4 showings in 3 200 seaters - that's a capacity of 2,400 tickets... - The movie with the most capacity should have the bigger average, right? Unfortunately the studios report per theater average not per screen average  If that's true, I stand corrected - but it is an absolutely meaningless statistic then...
Yep, it is! Even more so when considering the fact that until the late 80s the studios were reporting per screen averages and switched to per theater average in 1989/1990/1991. So it's always a little bit unfair when people compare averages from different decades. Just one example: RETURN OF THE JEDI opened on 1,002 screens in 836 theaters. Because everyone reported screens back than all the computers and all the websites quote the 1,002 "theaters" instead of the real 836 theaters...
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Sat Dec 24, 2005 5:25 pm |
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Michael.
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Heh Its funny to see the same people who were adamant that Narnia would be dissapointing and Kong would be a massive success suddenly saying "Well, narnia always was going to win this weekend because....INSERTEXCUSEHERE"
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Sat Dec 24, 2005 5:57 pm |
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DP07
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Kong easily has the weekend. It could double Narnia's gross on Sunday.
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Sat Dec 24, 2005 5:59 pm |
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neo_wolf
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DP07 wrote: Kong easily has the weekend. It could double Narnia's gross on Sunday.

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Sat Dec 24, 2005 6:05 pm |
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Ghostooze
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so any predictions on when BOM will post #s?
I say 5 mins til midnight
they are getting more and more pathetic every day 
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Sat Dec 24, 2005 6:13 pm |
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DP07
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neo_wolf wrote: DP07 wrote: Kong easily has the weekend. It could double Narnia's gross on Sunday. 
heh, laugh now. Christmas is always a very good day for adult films, but not for family movies. They can have small increases, but they can also have massive drops. The Harry Potter movies (a great comparision to Narnia) tend to increase 13% on that day. Meanwhile other films tend to increase over 100% (some nearly increase 200%). So, while both will likely drop near 40% on Saturday (probably a bit of a smaller drop for narnia). Kong should increase to 10m, if not 12m. Narnia will be near 6m.
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Sat Dec 24, 2005 6:14 pm |
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MGKC
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xiayun wrote: In the context of how it did the previous two weekend, that's a quite disappointing number for Brokeback. If it were a normal weekend, this would translate to a $10K PTA in 217 theaters. Still one of the better PTAs ever with this many theaters, but it's depreciating at a faster speed than I expected.
I think it just comes down to Brokeback Mountain having more of a limited audience. Pretty simple.
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Sat Dec 24, 2005 6:20 pm |
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Outatime
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Sat Dec 24, 2005 6:23 pm |
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MAJOR UPDATE!!!
Producers - $24,907 (11%) $4,151 PTA $268,158 Total
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Sat Dec 24, 2005 6:24 pm |
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Nebs wrote: MAJOR UPDATE!!!
Producers - $24,907 (11%) $4,151 PTA $268,158 Total
!!!!!11!!!!!11
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Sat Dec 24, 2005 6:25 pm |
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mdana
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Kong made $5.58m on Thursday and D & J made $3.92.
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Sat Dec 24, 2005 6:25 pm |
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mdana
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DP07 wrote: neo_wolf wrote: DP07 wrote: Kong easily has the weekend. It could double Narnia's gross on Sunday.  heh, laugh now. Christmas is always a very good day for adult films, but not for family movies. They can have small increases, but they can also have massive drops. The Harry Potter movies (a great comparision to Narnia) tend to increase 13% on that day. Meanwhile other films tend to increase over 100% (some nearly increase 200%). So, while both will likely drop near 40% on Saturday (probably a bit of a smaller drop for narnia). Kong should increase to 10m, if not 12m. Narnia will be near 6m. I posted this on Thursday after Wed. numbers Nazgul9 wrote: mdana wrote: Narnia won't have increase on Friday like it did last week, because more kids are out of school this week. So Kong should actually have a better increase on Friday, than Narnia. Are you sure? I really do hope so, if not Narnia might overtake Kong this weekend which would ruin my life... 
It didn't unless the estimates are way off. Kong went up 50% and Narnia went up 36% Kong actually had the 2nd highest increase in the top 10.
So, DP7 could be right. I think he is, but my track record with Kong has not been so hot. Narnia should not make nearly as much the next three days as Kong based on Friday's number.
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Sat Dec 24, 2005 6:30 pm |
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neo_wolf
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The number's thursday kong number is wrong,kong was higher than 5.4,it did about $5,575,000
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Sat Dec 24, 2005 6:31 pm |
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neo_wolf
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mdana wrote: DP07 wrote: neo_wolf wrote: DP07 wrote: Kong easily has the weekend. It could double Narnia's gross on Sunday.  heh, laugh now. Christmas is always a very good day for adult films, but not for family movies. They can have small increases, but they can also have massive drops. The Harry Potter movies (a great comparision to Narnia) tend to increase 13% on that day. Meanwhile other films tend to increase over 100% (some nearly increase 200%). So, while both will likely drop near 40% on Saturday (probably a bit of a smaller drop for narnia). Kong should increase to 10m, if not 12m. Narnia will be near 6m. I posted this on Thursday after Wed. numbers Nazgul9 wrote: mdana wrote: Narnia won't have increase on Friday like it did last week, because more kids are out of school this week. So Kong should actually have a better increase on Friday, than Narnia. Are you sure? I really do hope so, if not Narnia might overtake Kong this weekend which would ruin my life...  It didn't unless the estimates are way off. Kong went up 50% and Narnia went up 36% Kong actually had the 2nd highest increase in the top 10. So, DP7 could be right. I think he is, but my track record with Kong has not been so hot. Narnia should not make nearly as much the next three days as Kong based on Friday's number.
narnia went up 42%.
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Sat Dec 24, 2005 6:32 pm |
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MikeQ.
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neo_wolf wrote: narnia went up 42%.
Not according to TheNumbers.com. It says a 36% jump to $7.9 mil. I believe that is what he was referring to.
Either way, still really good. I'm waiting for BOM numbers.
I also hope DP07 is right, hehe.
PEACE, Mike.
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Sat Dec 24, 2005 6:36 pm |
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mdana
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neo_wolf wrote: mdana wrote: DP07 wrote: neo_wolf wrote: DP07 wrote: Kong easily has the weekend. It could double Narnia's gross on Sunday.  heh, laugh now. Christmas is always a very good day for adult films, but not for family movies. They can have small increases, but they can also have massive drops. The Harry Potter movies (a great comparision to Narnia) tend to increase 13% on that day. Meanwhile other films tend to increase over 100% (some nearly increase 200%). So, while both will likely drop near 40% on Saturday (probably a bit of a smaller drop for narnia). Kong should increase to 10m, if not 12m. Narnia will be near 6m. I posted this on Thursday after Wed. numbers Nazgul9 wrote: mdana wrote: Narnia won't have increase on Friday like it did last week, because more kids are out of school this week. So Kong should actually have a better increase on Friday, than Narnia. Are you sure? I really do hope so, if not Narnia might overtake Kong this weekend which would ruin my life...  It didn't unless the estimates are way off. Kong went up 50% and Narnia went up 36% Kong actually had the 2nd highest increase in the top 10. So, DP7 could be right. I think he is, but my track record with Kong has not been so hot. Narnia should not make nearly as much the next three days as Kong based on Friday's number. narnia went up 42%.
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