2005 Golden Globe Prediction Thread
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Joe wrote: Rod wrote: Joe, I mean this in the nicest way of ocurse  , but you come off as one of the most biased person on this forum from what I've read so far...at least when it comes to making any kind of awards prediction. Everyone is biased by virtue of having an opinion. Plus, if I was really biased I wouldn't have admitted that Walk the Line was a good film. Knightley just gave a better performance than Witherspoon. If anything, Mav is just as biased because of his love for Walk the Line at the expense of any other film.
I agree. There are films I support which I haven't seen. Like King Kong. 
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Harry Warden
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Rod wrote: Joe wrote: Maverikk wrote: Joe wrote: Witherspoon isn't nearly as popular as she once was (Just Like Heaven kind of bombed). Plus, it's kind of biased to say that Knightley won't win just because she's not American. That seems just wrong in so many ways. Joe, you have clearly trolled around making one shitty comment after another concerning Witherspoon, so I guess that comment was expected, but you really need to learn what a bomb is if you think Just Like Heaven bombed. And I didn't say she wouldn't win because she's not American, I said she wasn't America's sweetheart because she wasn't American, and that's a fact. Just Like Heaven: Budget - 58 million Gross - 48 million. How's it not a dud when it couldn't even make its budget? Sweet Home Alabama made 135 million back when Reese was America's Sweetheart. You can't penalize Knightley just because she's not American though. Plus, she's ten years younger than Witherspoon so I'd say she's actually ahead of the game because she's younger than Witherspoon was when she received her first nomination (For Election). Reese Witherspoon has never been nominated. And young age is soemthing that works against you when it comes to Oscars. The numbers of under 21 actresses that have been nominated for lead actress can be counted on one hand, and in fact, I can only think of two at this very moment. Reese Witherspoon might be older but many feel that at this point in her career she has earned it, with performances like the one in Election. Knightley has really done nothing award worthy prior to Pride and Prejudice.
Reese was nominated for a GG for Election in 1999. The award should go to the best performance of the year, no matter what the actor has done in the past. Plus, Knightley is highly respected, especially in her home country so it's not like she's an unknown.
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Maverikk
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Joe wrote: Just Like Heaven: Budget - 58 million Gross - 48 million. How's it not a dud when it couldn't even make its budget? Sweet Home Alabama made 135 million back when Reese was America's Sweetheart.
You can't penalize Knightley just because she's not American though. Plus, she's ten years younger than Witherspoon so I'd say she's actually ahead of the game because she's younger than Witherspoon was when she received her first nomination (For Election).
And how much of those budget costs were offset by various ways and means? You don't know? Then why did you try to bring up a base sum like you did know?
Again, the constant trolling you've done concerning Witherspoon is well documented by now, so this denial isn't surprising from you.
Reese has earned the accolades for her body of work. Kiera Knightly is new. How exactly, taking out your obvious dislike of Reese, is she "ahead of the game"? That makes absolutely no sense to even say, and I'd like to read your explanation so I can get a good laugh about it. 
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Maverikk
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Joe wrote: Reese was nominated for a GG for Election in 1999. The award should go to the best performance of the year, no matter what the actor has done in the past. Plus, Knightley is highly respected, especially in her home country so it's not like she's an unknown.
I'd guarantee Reese has built up more respect than Knightly has...
Your level of repsect for her will not be taken under advisement by the academy, I'm sorry to say.
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Maverikk
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Joe wrote: Everyone is biased by virtue of having an opinion. Plus, if I was really biased I wouldn't have admitted that Walk the Line was a good film. Knightley just gave a better performance than Witherspoon. If anything, Mav is just as biased because of his love for Walk the Line at the expense of any other film.
There's a difference. I back my statements up with stuff that I don't pull out of my ass. 
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Joe wrote: Rod wrote: Joe wrote: Maverikk wrote: Joe wrote: Witherspoon isn't nearly as popular as she once was (Just Like Heaven kind of bombed). Plus, it's kind of biased to say that Knightley won't win just because she's not American. That seems just wrong in so many ways. Joe, you have clearly trolled around making one shitty comment after another concerning Witherspoon, so I guess that comment was expected, but you really need to learn what a bomb is if you think Just Like Heaven bombed. And I didn't say she wouldn't win because she's not American, I said she wasn't America's sweetheart because she wasn't American, and that's a fact. Just Like Heaven: Budget - 58 million Gross - 48 million. How's it not a dud when it couldn't even make its budget? Sweet Home Alabama made 135 million back when Reese was America's Sweetheart. You can't penalize Knightley just because she's not American though. Plus, she's ten years younger than Witherspoon so I'd say she's actually ahead of the game because she's younger than Witherspoon was when she received her first nomination (For Election). Reese Witherspoon has never been nominated. And young age is soemthing that works against you when it comes to Oscars. The numbers of under 21 actresses that have been nominated for lead actress can be counted on one hand, and in fact, I can only think of two at this very moment. Reese Witherspoon might be older but many feel that at this point in her career she has earned it, with performances like the one in Election. Knightley has really done nothing award worthy prior to Pride and Prejudice. Reese was nominated for a GG for Election in 1999. The award should go to the best performance of the year, no matter what the actor has done in the past. Plus, Knightley is highly respected, especially in her home country so it's not like she's an unknown.
But there's a huge difference between what should happen and what usually does happen, and overdue status will help any actor.
There's also a huge difference between what YOU think is the better performance of the year and what actually is/what most other people believe to be.
Witherspoon has received the most best actress mentions this year.
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Ugh, as i said - fall asleep at 6 am, wake up at 2 pm
oh well
PS, Didnt kypade say something about pic, dirc, screenplay and supactress for match point?
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Jackson did not stay as close to the material as many think for LOTR.
Alot of his changes were my problems with the movie.
As for King Kong, he has changed it quite alot. Remaining true to the original story but adding alot of his own stuff and being praised for his screenplay or so I hear from alot of critics.
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Harry Warden
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Maverikk wrote: Joe wrote: Just Like Heaven: Budget - 58 million Gross - 48 million. How's it not a dud when it couldn't even make its budget? Sweet Home Alabama made 135 million back when Reese was America's Sweetheart.
You can't penalize Knightley just because she's not American though. Plus, she's ten years younger than Witherspoon so I'd say she's actually ahead of the game because she's younger than Witherspoon was when she received her first nomination (For Election). And how much of those budget costs were offset by various ways and means? You don't know? Then why did you try to bring up a base sum like you did know? Again, the constant trolling you've done concerning Witherspoon is well documented by now, so this denial isn't surprising from you. Reese has earned the accolades for her body of work. Kiera Knightly is new. How exactly, taking out your obvious dislike of Reese, is she "ahead of the game"? That makes absolutely no sense to even say, and I'd like to read your explanation so I can get a good laugh about it. 
Knightley received her first GG nom. at a younger age than Witherspoon received her first.
You don't know about JLH and whether it has costs offset. You can't tell me Dreamworks didn't want more from it.
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Harry Warden
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Rod wrote: Joe wrote: Rod wrote: Joe wrote: Maverikk wrote: Joe wrote: Witherspoon isn't nearly as popular as she once was (Just Like Heaven kind of bombed). Plus, it's kind of biased to say that Knightley won't win just because she's not American. That seems just wrong in so many ways. Joe, you have clearly trolled around making one shitty comment after another concerning Witherspoon, so I guess that comment was expected, but you really need to learn what a bomb is if you think Just Like Heaven bombed. And I didn't say she wouldn't win because she's not American, I said she wasn't America's sweetheart because she wasn't American, and that's a fact. Just Like Heaven: Budget - 58 million Gross - 48 million. How's it not a dud when it couldn't even make its budget? Sweet Home Alabama made 135 million back when Reese was America's Sweetheart. You can't penalize Knightley just because she's not American though. Plus, she's ten years younger than Witherspoon so I'd say she's actually ahead of the game because she's younger than Witherspoon was when she received her first nomination (For Election). Reese Witherspoon has never been nominated. And young age is soemthing that works against you when it comes to Oscars. The numbers of under 21 actresses that have been nominated for lead actress can be counted on one hand, and in fact, I can only think of two at this very moment. Reese Witherspoon might be older but many feel that at this point in her career she has earned it, with performances like the one in Election. Knightley has really done nothing award worthy prior to Pride and Prejudice. Reese was nominated for a GG for Election in 1999. The award should go to the best performance of the year, no matter what the actor has done in the past. Plus, Knightley is highly respected, especially in her home country so it's not like she's an unknown. But there's a huge difference between what should happen and what usually does happen, and overdue status will help any actor. There's also a huge difference between what YOU think is the better performance of the year and what actually is/what most other people believe to be. Witherspoon has received the most best actress mentions this year.
Witherspoon is not a lock like Jamie Foxx was last year. Far from it. She may win but it's not a sure thing like Foxx winning was.
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Raffiki wrote: Jackson did not stay as close to the material as many think for LOTR. Alot of his changes were my problems with the movie.
As for King Kong, he has changed it quite alot. Remaining true to the original story but adding alot of his own stuff and being praised for his screenplay or so I hear from alot of critics.
If Jackson had stayed true to the material, we wouldn't be talking about LOTR years after its release, because it would have bombed.
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Joe wrote: Knightley received her first GG nom. at a younger age than Witherspoon received her first.
You don't know about JLH and whether it has costs offset. You can't tell me Dreamworks didn't want more from it.
And she'll lose to the more accomplished Witherspoon, no doubt.
ALL movies have costs that are offset, and it's a part of the way the business is structured. You can't be that naive as to truely want to debate that? 
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Harry Warden
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Maverikk wrote: Joe wrote: Knightley received her first GG nom. at a younger age than Witherspoon received her first.
You don't know about JLH and whether it has costs offset. You can't tell me Dreamworks didn't want more from it. And she'll lose to the more accomplished Witherspoon, no doubt. ALL movies have costs that are offset, and it's a part of the way the business is structured. You can't be that naive as to truely want to debate that? 
You can't be truly stupid enough to believe that you know anything about the business aside from box office. And who said I wanted to debate it, you conceited motherfucker that with any luck, dies sooner rather than later?
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Raffiki
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Reese Witherspoon is the front-runner to win this at the Globes by quite a distance.
However, should an upset occur (Which is highly unlikely) it will be Knightley. For some reason, she does have some weird support all of a sudden that doesn't seem to have come only from this movie, though it placed her on the map!
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Joe wrote: Maverikk wrote: Joe wrote: Just Like Heaven: Budget - 58 million Gross - 48 million. How's it not a dud when it couldn't even make its budget? Sweet Home Alabama made 135 million back when Reese was America's Sweetheart.
You can't penalize Knightley just because she's not American though. Plus, she's ten years younger than Witherspoon so I'd say she's actually ahead of the game because she's younger than Witherspoon was when she received her first nomination (For Election). And how much of those budget costs were offset by various ways and means? You don't know? Then why did you try to bring up a base sum like you did know? Again, the constant trolling you've done concerning Witherspoon is well documented by now, so this denial isn't surprising from you. Reese has earned the accolades for her body of work. Kiera Knightly is new. How exactly, taking out your obvious dislike of Reese, is she "ahead of the game"? That makes absolutely no sense to even say, and I'd like to read your explanation so I can get a good laugh about it.  Knightley received her first GG nom. at a younger age than Witherspoon received her first. You don't know about JLH and whether it has costs offset. You can't tell me Dreamworks didn't want more from it.
But what does Knightley getting her first nomination have anything to do with who is more likely to win? Witherpoon didn't win from her first nomination.
It's not like she's gonna follow in Witherspoon's footsteps now just because she has a GG nomination . I think she very welll could but it wouldn't be the first time an actress has a great role and is never able to repeat it again.
And it still has nothing to do with why she is more liekly to win this year, which is what I think you are trying to argue. In fact, everything you mention just makes her LESS likely to win.
And what has Knightley done to make her the big box office draw that you seem to think she is and Witherspoon isn't. Domino was a bigger flop than Just Like Heave if you wanna argue flops.
The only blockbuster she's been in is POTC, and it did not become the huge box office hit it was because of her.
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Maverikk
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Raffiki wrote: Jackson did not stay as close to the material as many think for LOTR. Alot of his changes were my problems with the movie.
As for King Kong, he has changed it quite alot. Remaining true to the original story but adding alot of his own stuff and being praised for his screenplay or so I hear from alot of critics.
All the critics who have considered it in their awards, you mean? Those critics? Raffi, I know you love the guy and his films, but take a look at the reality. Kong is not getting any mentions. Don't you even question why, or are you in such denial that the question isn't even registering?
The only ones that I've heard praising Kong as a best picture candidate, and I mean no offense by this, are the people who are huge fans. The Globes and critics awards aren't supporting any such theories. Honestly, look for yourself if you think I'm making it up. It's got NOTHING.
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Harry Warden
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Rod wrote: Joe wrote: Maverikk wrote: Joe wrote: Just Like Heaven: Budget - 58 million Gross - 48 million. How's it not a dud when it couldn't even make its budget? Sweet Home Alabama made 135 million back when Reese was America's Sweetheart.
You can't penalize Knightley just because she's not American though. Plus, she's ten years younger than Witherspoon so I'd say she's actually ahead of the game because she's younger than Witherspoon was when she received her first nomination (For Election). And how much of those budget costs were offset by various ways and means? You don't know? Then why did you try to bring up a base sum like you did know? Again, the constant trolling you've done concerning Witherspoon is well documented by now, so this denial isn't surprising from you. Reese has earned the accolades for her body of work. Kiera Knightly is new. How exactly, taking out your obvious dislike of Reese, is she "ahead of the game"? That makes absolutely no sense to even say, and I'd like to read your explanation so I can get a good laugh about it.  Knightley received her first GG nom. at a younger age than Witherspoon received her first. You don't know about JLH and whether it has costs offset. You can't tell me Dreamworks didn't want more from it. But what does Knightley getting her first nomination have anything to do with who is more likely to win? Witherpoon didn't win from her first nomination. It's not like she's gonna follow in Witherspoon's footsteps now just because she has a GG nomination . I think she very welll could but it wouldn't be the first time an actress has a great role and is never able to repeat it again. And it still has nothing to do with why she is more liekly to win this year, which is what I think you are trying to argue. In fact, everything you mention just makes her LESS likely to win. And what has Knightley done to make her the big box office draw that you seem to think she is and Witherspoon isn't. Domino was a bigger flop than Just Like Heave if you wanna argue flops. The only blockbuster she's been in is POTC, and it did not become the huge box office hit it was because of her.
Knightley is not as well-known here so Domino flopping can't be considered her fault. Tony Scott's name was the draw for the film, as far as it could be considered to have a draw. No one has deemed Knightley a draw as of yet.
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Dr. Lecter
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Guys, could you please take this one anywhere else if possible. Like to a non-Golden Globes thread? Please?
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Joe wrote: You can't be truly stupid enough to believe that you know anything about the business aside from box office. And who said I wanted to debate it, you conceited motherfucker that with any luck, dies sooner rather than later?
Kiss my ass, you dumb piece of shit. If you really wanted to convince anybody that you are at "a prestigious university", you just convinced us all what bullshit that was by your stupidity, and I'm sure the rest of the guys that know how the business operates are laughing at your ignorance as much as I am.
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Im happy for Violence and Gardener because they're good movies, but common? They get a nod before Munich. Screw that, they didnt even nominate the best thing about Constant Gardener, Ralph Fiennes. Terrence Howard is getting so overated, the performance in Hustle was good, but I mean oscar worthy? The guy says mayne ( suppose to be man ) like a million times in it.
I dont even wanna get started with this Johnny Depp - Charlie and the Chocolate Factory, just bend over for Depp every chance you get you homo foreign press.
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Maverikk wrote: Joe wrote: You can't be truly stupid enough to believe that you know anything about the business aside from box office. And who said I wanted to debate it, you conceited motherfucker that with any luck, dies sooner rather than later? Kiss my ass, you dumb piece of shit. If you really wanted to convince anybody that you are at "a prestigious university", you just convinced us all what bullshit that was by your stupidity, and I'm sure the rest of the guys that know how the business operates are laughing at your ignorance as much as I am.
You're just following suit. And I do attend a well-known university. And what do I care if anyone here believes anything I say? It's not like anyone here will ever meet anyone else here.
Also, aren't you like 40 years old Mav? Shouldn't you be spending your time elsewhere? Most people here seem to be quite a bit younger than that.
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Killuminati510 wrote: just bend over for Depp every chance you get you homo foreign press.
A lot of them are women  What should they do?
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Dr. Lecter wrote: Guys, could you please take this one anywhere else if possible. Like to a non-Golden Globes thread? Please?
Well it is a a discussion about the Globes, for better or worse.
But yeah I believe I'm donwe with Joe  I've saiud everything I had to say...
But why say Witherspoon's chances are diminished cause she is no longer the box office draw she used to be and then not use the same thinking for Knightley, who has NEVER been a box office draw to begin with.
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Rod wrote: Dr. Lecter wrote: Guys, could you please take this one anywhere else if possible. Like to a non-Golden Globes thread? Please? Well it is a a discussion about the Globes, for better or worse. But yeah I believe I'm donwe with Joe  I've saiud everything I had to say... But why say Witherspoon's chances are diminished cause she is no longer the box office draw she used to be and then not use the same thinking for Knightley, who has NEVER been a box office draw to begin with.
Because Knightley was never touted as the next Julia Roberts the way Witherspoon has.
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Raffiki
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Maverikk wrote: Raffiki wrote: Jackson did not stay as close to the material as many think for LOTR. Alot of his changes were my problems with the movie.
As for King Kong, he has changed it quite alot. Remaining true to the original story but adding alot of his own stuff and being praised for his screenplay or so I hear from alot of critics. All the critics who have considered it in their awards, you mean? Those critics? Raffi, I know you love the guy and his films, but take a look at the reality. Kong is not getting any mentions. Don't you even question why, or are you in such denial that the question isn't even registering? The only ones that I've heard praising Kong as a best picture candidate, and I mean no offense by this, are the people who are huge fans. The Globes and critics awards aren't supporting any such theories. Honestly, look for yourself if you think I'm making it up. It's got NOTHING.
The critics I was talking about are critics, not critics awards. I'm talking about reviews.
I'll post all the praises it's gotten once I have the time to really go into it (which won't be till Friday) so I guess we'll just leave it at that for now.
I don't know why you're having such a hard time with this remake thing. Almost every single reviewer has said it lives up to the original, and then some.
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