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Dkmuto wrote: Excuse me for my rants that really have nothing to do with anything, but I guess I'm still just kind of reeling from all of this.
I mean, I knew Geisha had the potential to blow it big time, but I honestly thought it would still be a sure fire contender.
If someone had told me that one of the big players would be getting some serious critical backlash around this time, I would've said Brokeback, and look at it. It's getting the best reviews [b]of any of them.
outside of Kong. 
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Thu Dec 08, 2005 10:17 pm |
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xiayun
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10 negative reviews were added today without a single positive one popping up along the way. It's sliding from Phantom to Alexander territory now. Really sad. 
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Thu Dec 08, 2005 10:38 pm |
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Libs
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xiayun wrote: 10 negative reviews were added today without a single positive one popping up along the way. It's sliding from Phantom to Alexander territory now. Really sad. 
At least the reviews aren't as bad as Alexander's were.
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Thu Dec 08, 2005 10:39 pm |
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Shack
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30%. Wow.
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MovieDude
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xiayun wrote: Not to nicky-picky, but I think RT hates Marshall or a cast member or something. All the borderline reviews are given a rotten score. The L.A. Times' review is mixed at worst and given a score of 70 at metacritic, but RT only assigned it a score of 2 out of 5.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but don't sites RottenTomatoes post reviews for officially make some sort of understanding as to whether the review is fresh or a splat? Still, even I'm shocked at just how awful the reviews are for this. Like... woah.
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Fri Dec 09, 2005 1:33 am |
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Johnny Dollar
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Reviews THAT bad not only slaughter the movie's hopes for Best Picture and the like, it also torpedoes any shot someone like Gong Li had.
First rule: the movie's gotta be well-recieved. Any nods outside of the techies are slowly drifiting away....
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Fri Dec 09, 2005 1:33 am |
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xiayun
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As andaroo pointed out, Sean Penn did get a nomination for I Am Sam even though the film is 32% at RT. However, that's Sean Penn. Gong Li doesn't have that predigree and reputation in the U.S., even though she is very much respected internationally. So her chance is certainly sliding. If the film can finish in the 45-50% range, I think she could get in, as Diane Lane did with Unfaithful (46% at RT).
MovieDude, the reviewers don't have to give specific grades to RT. When that happens, RT will read the review and assign its own rating based on the content. They have a stated policy on how they grade those, and it's pretty conservative: basically, if they see some hestitation in the critic's tone, they will assign it rotten.
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Fri Dec 09, 2005 1:40 am |
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dolcevita
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 Guys, its at 33%! Could this ruin Gong Li's chances? That pretty much all I care about at this point. Have there been actresses in the past that have been nominated despite being in ill received movies? 
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Fri Dec 09, 2005 1:46 am |
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Goldie
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dolcevita wrote: :sad: Guys, its at 33%! Could this ruin Gong Li's chances? That pretty much all I care about at this point. Have there been actresses in the past that have been nominated despite being in ill received movies? 
and 30 % for everyone on RT. Think 33 is the Cream of the Crop.
at least, not bad enough for the Razzies. Not yet that is.
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Fri Dec 09, 2005 1:51 am |
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Johnny Dollar
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As was said, Sean Penn got in. But that was LEAD. Much more noticeable.
But a vitually unknown supporting actor from a movie that got utterly slaughtered by the critics? I'm not aware of any recent precedent there to set your mind at ease, dolce.
Angelina Jolie won for Girl, Interrupted's 52%. But she's 'royalty,' and those reviews were considerably better, negative or no.
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Fri Dec 09, 2005 1:55 am |
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MovieDude
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xiayun wrote: MovieDude, the reviewers don't have to give specific grades to RT. When that happens, RT will read the review and assign its own rating based on the content. They have a stated policy on how they grade those, and it's pretty conservative: basically, if they see some hestitation in the critic's tone, they will assign it rotten.
Ah, my mistake. Still, they sure have detected much more hesitation for this one then any of the other big Oscar contenders to come out this year.
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Fri Dec 09, 2005 1:55 am |
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xiayun
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dolce, Sean Penn had the lowest film grade, and that's about it.
Here are some comments from people who have seen it at OscarWatch forum:
CMJ wrote: Just got back from seeing it. Some quick first impressions.
Weak first act. It seemed to take forever to get going. Once we jump ahead in time to her training the film picks up steam and is actually quite engaging. Since this is the meat of the film it almost makes you forget the beginning. Then the film meanders towards it's resolution.
Well acted overall. The standout of course being the villain geisha. Technically well done, especially the costumes. Loved the score.
I'd probably say 2 1/2 stars out of 4. Maybe 3- I'll decide tommorrow.
Eddie Lives wrote: I saw this morning and pretty much agree with CMJ. The pacing is the real problem -- it starts really slowly and then moves in fits and starts. However, technically it is a beautiful film and all the performers are great. On a 4-star scale, I'd lean to the 2 1/2 star or 3 star range as well.
I think these pretty much sum up the problem with the picture. There is no big passionate defender of the film. It seems the film doesn't generate enthusiasm, and that's why the reviews won't go back up. "It's a fine made picture, but don't see what the big deal is" seems to be consensus. My feeling, without seeing it, is the film itself probably deserves an average in the 2.5-3 stars range out of 4, which is barely fresh, and with the negative opinion of Marshall and his casting/language decision from some critics, a lot of those went down a grade or two and turned the whole rating down the tube.
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Fri Dec 09, 2005 1:57 am |
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dolcevita
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 My life is over. Xia? Want to host a Gong Li film festival anyways? 
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Fri Dec 09, 2005 2:07 am |
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Dr. Lecter
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I still say Gong Li will get a nom. A win is very unlikely now, though.
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Fri Dec 09, 2005 2:19 am |
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xiayun
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dolcevita wrote: :cry: My life is over. Xia? Want to host a Gong Li film festival anyways? 
Yeah, we'll host it anyway. 
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Fri Dec 09, 2005 2:49 am |
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Seems like a movie that had alot of potential, it just wasnt executed the right way. Spent too much time on the visual aspect of the film and no time on the actual story, i've seen some reviews saying how it's okay but if it just had more depth to it all, it couldve been an epic romance. Rob Marshall sucks.
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Fri Dec 09, 2005 3:46 am |
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Levy
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BTW: Am I the only one who thinks Rob Marshall is waaay overated? The Chicago hype was totally unjustified, it was only a mediocre movie.
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MovieDude
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Levy wrote: BTW: Am I the only one who thinks Rob Marshall is waaay overated? The Chicago hype was totally unjustified, it was only a mediocre movie.
I'm with you on that one. It wasn't bad per se, but it just completely went with the play's style and didn't have much of a personality of it's own. Throw in a bunch of unlikable characters and tawdry production design and you're left with a film that's more obnoxious then anything. Even with all the bad reviews, I have a hunch I'd like Memoirs more then Chicago.
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xiayun wrote: I think these pretty much sum up the problem with the picture. There is no big passionate defender of the film. It seems the film doesn't generate enthusiasm, and that's why the reviews won't go back up. "It's a fine made picture, but don't see what the big deal is" seems to be consensus. My feeling, without seeing it, is the film itself probably deserves an average in the 2.5-3 stars range out of 4, which is barely fresh, and with the negative opinion of Marshall and his casting/language decision from some critics, a lot of those went down a grade or two and turned the whole rating down the tube.
I agree. It seems that the movie is not as good as to overcome all the negativity surrounding it in the last few weeks... And It would have had to be very good for that, probably.
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Fri Dec 09, 2005 6:26 am |
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Dr. Lecter
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Levy wrote: BTW: Am I the only one who thinks Rob Marshall is waaay overated? The Chicago hype was totally unjustified, it was only a mediocre movie.
Overrated? I don't think anyone overrates him after one movie. I meanm you don't hear praises for him or anything.
He does have a great great sense for visual style, though. Also, Chicago might have technically not been a movie as strong as Moulin Rouge, but it surely was more fun and probably the most fun of a musical I have ever seen.
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Fri Dec 09, 2005 6:32 am |
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RT > 29%
Reviews counted: 34
Fresh: 10 Rotten: 24
Average Rating: 5.1/10
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well when are we getting to the point where the Oscars will be a ZERO and Geisha will be heading to the Razzies.
Any one have odds on a plus / minus on Oscar vs Razzie nominations.
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 wondering is it possible that Lecter has jinxed Geisha as it was rumored that he did with Cold Mountain after touting that film years ago. 
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Fri Dec 09, 2005 10:57 am |
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andaroo1
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Wow... "how the mighty have fallen" seems to be an apt statement.
I bet some heads roll at Sony over this.
Really, the film doesn't look bad. It's obviously getting harsh grades because so much was expected of it, but that applies to all nominees not just Geisha.
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Fri Dec 09, 2005 11:05 am |
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dolcevita
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xiayun wrote: dolcevita wrote: :cry: My life is over. Xia? Want to host a Gong Li film festival anyways?  Yeah, we'll host it anyway. 
*sniff*
Ok. I feel a little bit better now.
30%. These critics are backlashing. There is no way this movie is worse than Daredevil!
And, I loved Chicago. Can't say enough positive compliments to the film. But it was a debut, and it doesn't seem Marshall has transitioned from the dark, campy comedy to the melodrama well at all.
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Fri Dec 09, 2005 11:44 am |
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Blame Rob Marshall.They should have had gibson direct it,you know he would atleast let them talk japanese and it would have been bloodier and more cruel,that would have been awesome!
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