the hunt... is on

muahahahaha!!

The situation is at the boiling point right now.

Any moment now the Central Election Commission will announce the results of the election. They could either annul the election or proclaim Yanukovych the president-elect. In the latter case all hell will break loose in Kiev and other cities.

Supposedly, Yanukovych was just proclaimed the winner.

What do the number : number mean? Because if that's the split, than there is still alot of people on both sides voting the other direction?

An Update:



So holding the vote over again? I guess that's a good idea. I remember there were suggestions of it here in 2000, but they never were wide-spread. Anyways, if reheld, what precautions and measures should be taken to avoid previous problems?

Read my post above.

The number:number means the split, yes. The map is from the first tour.

FYI, Colin Powel is talking about the election right now on C-SPAN.

http://www.postmodernclog.com/

A blogger in Ukraine covering it. Useful if you want to get more flavor about it all other than the headlines.

This is just getting worse and worse. Now president Leonid Kuchma has said that Ukraine is on the brink of a civil war.

But on a lighter note...



Apparently, the singer Ruslana (pictured) is in the group of protesters in Kiev. Europeans in here may recognise her as the winner of last years eurovision song contest.

I hope this calms down soon. I'm supposed to be traveling to Ukraine in February!

haha! you won't be making that flight!

Of course you realize the supreme irony of this situation:

Bush: Validity of Ukraine Vote in Doubt

and of course, the fact that the Ukrainians were able to DO something about it... but Americans weren't.

Which only goes to show that, unlike the Soviets, the Capitalist Power Elite has completely crushed dissent in America.

Ukraine's Supreme Court hearing the Vite Appeal


Looks like it's not over yet, but I think that Yanukovitch will still end up as the president. He has a lot of support from Putin the Almighty.

You surprise me, Doc! I can't believe you're actually supporting... A LIBERAL

Unless maybe you secretly WANT Yanukovitch to win. :wink:

And of course you realize that multinational corporations support Yanukovitch because they have more confidence in the RW to maintain order... and that's always been the case throughout the c20. In fact, where you live, it may interest you to know that AMERICAN companies supported the Nazis in the 1920s because they admired their bully-boy methods. Good for business.

I am fairly aware of who has supported the Nazos during the founding and developing years of the NSDAP

I am not supporting a liberal here, just supporting the justice. It is well-known fact that Yanukowitch is just Putin's puppet and I am not a big fan of Putin in many of his decisions.

wertham comparing situation in Ukraine with the situation in the U.S. is showing your ignorance on the subject.

If Ohio turnout was 97% with 96% voting for Bush, you would have a legitimate case to make; otherwise you're just talking out of your ass. I'd imagine there'd be riots in Washington, DC too, then.

The support of the MNC matters very little, of course; what matters is who the people of Ukraine support.

So you finally admit that conspiiracies DO happen, eh? Let the bells ring out and the banners fly. (Looks like I'm taking you to school yet again, just like I schooled you on the economics of the dollars freefall into the abyss.)

wanna talk about a MATH anomaly???

60% of the registered voters in the US are.... Democrats.

So how the HELL do GOPs manage to get elected?

oh, and BTW: Under the Patriot Act, you can't just protest in any US city these days without the goons beating you down. That's why no one even
tries any more.

also, back in 2000, the election was FAR from decided the day after... yet Dubya declared himself the winner. What happened that day was just as bad as the Ukraine debacle.

That IS funny. Just because I didn't reply to the many inane articles you put up (and you're still to come with an objective emasure of an economy doing badly) does not mean you can teach me anything about the economy.

Did you know that low dollar is good for the manufacturing jobs you so desperately want to protect?

And give me a break about conspiracies; what happened in Ukraine is anything but. The election was stolen in broad daylight. Nobody even TRIED to cover it up.

Maybe you should tell the Democrats to come out in better numbers, and stop voting for Bush?

That's hardly a Math anomaly; the pattern has been the same for years. People who register to vote, but then don't bother to vote are not electing the president.

This is such bullshit and you know it. I seem to recall a great many protests back in 2003 about the war in Iraq. Face it, Kerry lost, and insinuating that the situation in Ukraine is in any way similar is grasping at straws.


So, declaring oneself a president makes one a president? I guess both Yuschenko and Yanukovich are presidents now.

I answered your question, but you simply ignored my answer. You obviously didn't like it.

You would have to be pretty thick to keep investing in US bucks these days. China won't be doing it for much longer. Neither will Japan. As you know, they're losing a LOT of money because of it. Now, I'm looking at the US buck from the North, and you can be sure that, once my Canuck buck is worth .90 or more, I'm most definitely ahead of the game if I drive to Michigan to do my shopping. On the other hand, can you imagine what's going to happen to stores that depend heavily on imports for their sales - like Wal-Mart, for example. Their buyers will have to spend a lot more to buy the same old useless crap.

Everyone knows the infamous stories about Germans in the 1920s using bags full of devalued currency to buy a loaf of bread. That's where the U.S. is headed. In fact, yesterday was a really bad day for the US buck, and it can only get worse.

As for protests in the US: You obviously didn't pay much attention to the situation in NYC back in August. You might be able to protest in the streets of Kiev, but in US cities you can only protest in designated areas.

Oh, and BTW: the electronic voting machines in Ohio actually gave Dubya way more votes than some districts had ballots, so obviously THAT polling wasn't on the up and up.

And another thing I notice about people like you, who immigrate from Eastern Europe. You have a tendency to be incredibly arrogant and rude. You casually dismiss the opinion of leading economists as "inane" and accuse me of "talking out of my ass." Man, you got parts, I'll say THAT for you. But if we were discussing this face-to-face, you'd never get away with kind of crap, no matter how much vodka you'd been drinking.

I'll never forget the way you toadied for "James Matrix Asshole" at BOM when I slammed Arnie for bullshitting his way through that crappy speech of his at the GOP CON. That JMP creep was the biggest conservative dickhead in those forums and everybody knew it, and yet you all kissed his ass and it was really pathetic to see. So I guess you're also a strong believer in compromise as well, eh?

Look. Paul Krugman knows even more than YOU do about the US economy. After al, it's HIS frickin' country. He's been studying it longer than you have and he teaches economics and writes books about it too.

VIENNA, Austria (AP) -- What ails Viktor Yushchenko?

As Ukraine's popular pro-Western opposition leader claimed victory Tuesday in hotly contested presidential elections, the mystery surrounding an appearance-altering illness that twice prompted him to check into a Vienna hospital persisted.

Yushchenko accused the Ukrainian authorities of poisoning him. His detractors suggested he'd eaten some bad sushi.

Adding to the intrigue, the Austrian doctors who treated him have asked foreign experts to help determine if his symptoms may have been caused by toxins found in biological weapons.

Medical experts said they may never know for sure what befell Yushchenko.

Wow...


Wow, what a change. How far apart are those pics? I mean, in terms of time span?


Edit: I just checked; it happened within a matter of months. Wikipedia's page on him has similar pics, one from July, one from November.

It doesn't simply look like a usual illness, it looks like somehow he aged. Weirdness.

Yeah, here's a bbc article about the same thing, with before/after pictures:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/4041321.stm





Quite the change...

Your answer was that interest rates will somehow tell you whether the economy is doing bad or not.

You failed to clarify that by pointing out exactly what level of interests rates I should be worried about. That's not an objective qualifier.

People don't invest in currencies; people play on currency fluctuations.


And yet you somehow seem to forget that U.S. is China's and Japan's biggest export partner. If they stop accepting dollar payments, their economies would crumble.


In other words: the pendulum will swing back towards U.S. manufacturing. Hey, isn't that a good thing, according to the Michael Moore crowd?

Hahahaha. Man, you just love to show off your ignorance.

There is a very big difference between what happened in Germany (hyper-inflation) and what's happening with the U.S. dollar (lowering in value against other currencies). The latter happens all the time around the world. The UK Pound in the early nineties went through the same adjustment period. I feel for those poor Brits lugging bags of currency through London


So tell me again, what happened in NYC in AUgust? Half a million people peacefully protested the RNC, marching down 8th avenue? That was a BAD thing, according to you?

And you know this from where? Pulling it out of your arse?

WHat am I supposed to do? Bow down before the blind partisanship of "leading" economists such as Paul Krugman (the same Paul Krugman who 3 years ago predicted that the U.S. economy was not going to come out of recession in the near future, just as it was coming out of recession) and accept your conspiracy theories at face value. Sorry, not gonna happen.


I have no idea what you're talking about. I know that some of the criticism of Arnold's speech was right and some of it was wrong. Big whoop. What it has to do with JMP is beyond me.


OMG, he writes books!!! That's it, Krugman is the only one I will ever believe even when he pushes the statism crap that's been proven ineffective in the 70's.

But wai! Milton Friedman writes books too! And he's been far more influential and insightful than Krugman could ever hope to be.

Man, what's an Eastern-Eruopean like me to do?


Now I'm convinced: the U.S. will default on a loan (even if it never has before). Father Krugman has converted me.

Now I'm convinced that no one's ever going to convince you of anything.

So be it. I might as well try to translate James Joyce for you, Mandrake.

But this is going to be a piece of cake for me, because the US economy may collapse a lot sooner than even I expect. Within the year. You'll see. Of course some Pollyana like you actually believes the US economy is in great shape, which makes YOU look like the inhabitant of some chocolate-coated fantasy world. And you don't seem to understand the economic conditions that existed in Germany in the 1920s, so how can I explain the similarities?

BTW: In case you forgot, Mr Short-Term Memory, you posted a message to JMP about that Arnie thread being closed. And you defended his decision to close to thread. End of story. Like I said, JMP was an asshole and you all sucked up to him.