It's my understanding that this isn't allowed, and if it wasn't for lennier, who I'm guessing is really zach, taking a few unprovoked shots at me, I wouldn't have even cared. I even sent him a PM telling him:

"I'm not going to out you, but if you don't want anybody to catch on to who you really are, I'd suggest staying out of arguments and don't take anymore shots at me."

He took that as an opportunity to continue with his comments. Now, he sent me a PM trying to deny this and blame me for his attitude and insults toward me in recent weeks, and that's why I'm starting this thread. Like I told him, if he really wants to keep a low profile, he doesn't need to stick his head out. zach had numerous fights with people, and zach has vanished mysteriously, and in his place his somebody with a clean slate who is starting down that same path.

Krem, it's your board, and you did say that you have an agreement in place, which tells me that I was right in suspecting that lennier wasn't just some random new member. It didn't take Sherlock Holmes to figure out who was missing.

I don't care if he wanted to start over, but by starting over, I would have hoped it meant starting over in his postings, if that was the point, not starting over with a name change, because a simple name change could have been made without the creation of a new account.

I hope you understand the point I'm trying to make. I also feel that it's never a good idea to let members create double accounts and pretend to be somebody else, because that just encourages that stuff, and I doubt any of us want to have a bunch of those accounts running around, and that's consistant with my stance on this issue since way back.

Love live double accounts!

If double accounts go and people using it getting banned as suggested right here, I might as well also say that no flame wars or personal attacks, and swearing should be tolerate

I don't think Mav is suggesting a banning, but the individual in question is a notorious trouble maker around the site.

Then again so am I.

The double account was created when i was admin. Permission was taken from me. It was a special case condition and posting from the other account was disabled immediately. There is no need for this topic to continue.

I'm not even suggestion a warning, let alone a ban, I just think that the members should know about this, since the reason for such a creation of an account was done for the purposes of starting over, and I doubt that that means starting over with a whole bunch of new attacks on members.

Double accounts can be much more trouble than flame wars, because flame wars can be stopped much easier. BOM had lots of problems with several members creating multiple accounts, and I understand Krem not wanting this issue exposed for just that purpose. He tried to do a favor for somebody like the good guy that he is, and I wish that zach would have respected that a little better, but he was more interested in trying to blame me while continuing to pretend he was a new innocent member here. What he didn't know, is that I knew better.

Not trying to start something but I think that is rather low myself. Zach goes off the deep end and stuff and then gets special privliges for a double account? WTF?

Eh, I don't care. It's really none of my business how the site is run and since I've stayed out of any conversations with him I could care less.

Quite frankly, it's none of your business to pry into the business of others. Especially when you're basing it on conjecture and, more importantly, emotion. I'm sorry you've been offended that yet another poster has disagreed with you, and that now I'm going to be the one you attempt to oust as some "criminal double poster". In fact, I have come here to discuss movies, and that is what I intend to do. Whether or not you continue on with these accusations I could care less. I'll see you in the Awards section, where I promise you haven't seen the last of me.

There is a reason for this to continue as long as zach continues, don't you think? Arsi, you know I wouldn't have said a word if he would have just came here to play nice. I don't like that phoney stuff, and you know that from way way back, but even I was looking the other way this time, but when my looking the other way was taken for granted and he continued doing the very things that led to this new account, how could he expect me to keep looking the other way?

But you are incapable of playing nice Zach and that's been shown time and time again.

nothing low about it. its not just zach. andaroo was given these previledges at a time too. If you have a legitimate claim at doing so, you can. Just as long as you operate 1 account at a time, there should be no issue.

As for Michael Bay is God, its time to shut that one down, as hilarious as I find it.

zach, you still don't get it. I didn't oust you, you did that yourself. If you come here to discuss movies, stick to that and leave the insulting comments toward members out of things.

And the next time you decide to tell anybody about staying out of things, just remember how you constantly stick your nose into things that have nothing to do with you.

You would have played nice implies that you really dont have any issues whatsoever with the double account until its a person who is bothering you and you have somethign to use against him/her now. Thats pretty much what your statement says.

The account thing was never hidden. Ask, and ye shall know. The creation of a second account was personal to the user. I allowed him to do so due to it with the conddition that the old account is made inactive. Now if people are so sure about what the earlier account was, I really see no big deal in all of this at all.

Who is that?

andaroo didn't have a history of fighting and let it known exactly who he was, though, so there's a big difference, don'tcha think?

BTW...who is Michael Bay is God, and why does he have a hardon for you?

There is no difference. These double account issues were personal and the admins were spoken to in regards to it. What mattered to me back then was people using 1 account and 1 account only.

I do not know how krem wishes to proceed with the matter on double accounts from now on but lennier's decision was taken by me and hence, i'm replying to that one. If back then, either of you guys had asked me to do the same for you, it would have happened, in exactly the same fashion. it was user's personal decision and not something that the rest of the forum needs to be concerned with, atleast, as far as i cared.

and secondly, alowing andaroo cause hes less disruptive than lennier would be what I CALL special treatment. here, i was just treating the matter equally.

No, it implies that I would have looked the other way as a favor to Krem, not that I wouldn't have had the same concerns. I'm sure my guilty conscious would have eventually worn me down about it and I would have asked. Impact never did anything to me, as you recall, and I had the same exact stance about his use of double accounts.

The problem is this. Why was this done? If it was for a fresh start, cool, but the attitude he's conveying is not one of a member that was worried about making changes past the name.

Why are double accounts frowned upon here? When I was visiting theforce.net, much bigger boards than these...plenty of people had 'socks', and frankly, don't remember problems with them.

The bottom line, is, new user or not - whatever the situation is - the people who matter are aware of it and are ok. And personally, I've been very impressed with lennier...I thought he was (is) a great "new" addition to the forums...so.

It was a personal matter. i do not see why everyone here needs to hear about it.

exactly

Impact used two acocunts at the same time, and submitted ballots to a contest on both acocunts. That's different. If someone wants to start afresh, and their previous acocunt is locked, I don't see what the big deal is.

I also don't see what the big deal is with comic double accounts like Michael Bay, or functional ones like BallotPm, as long as the people who formed them are upfront about it from the start, or never use that second account to attack another user or play back and forth with-themselves or as counter-identities. They're funny. That Uwe Ball acocunt we had made special for his forum, that was hilarious!

my only reason before for never wanting double accounts is for 2 accounts to be in use at the same time, basically being used to add weight to 1 argument, coting in polls and influencing any voting contests.

You have no power. You former has been washed up administrator! Michael Bay lives as long as Krem reigns!

I have absolutely no problem with double accounts. They can be extremely beneficial to the forums. It just depends on how they're used. And here, it's just a personal opinion of the admins.


EDOT: PERSONAL

lennier did get into a little arguement today, but overall, I haven't noticed him much, so he's been doing well. I have no problem with this account as long as it's not used for a wrong purpose (ex. Impact's use of double accounts during the movie awards in March).