This board is so full of teenagers who think the world revolves around their movie going habits.

There have been successful adult targeted films that did VERY well in November.

Thank you for a voice of reason.

I see Walk the Line having a performance similiar to Master & Commander, at this point.

The quote is from David Poland's review. That is very high praise.

David Poland

I know, and it's like they never learn after the way they overpredict because their friends at school express an interest in a film. If you notice, the most overpredicted films are the ones that teens here overpredict because it appeals specifically to their demographic and they think that's all there is to consider. Adults go to the movies a lot. Women go to the movies a lot. Completely ignoring the appeal of other demographics and overestimating others as the sole demographic just because it's the one you belong to is what causes things like the Doom predictions to be made and eventually crash.

Ebert and Roeper will be reviewing Walk the Line and Derailed on next week's show.

All the reviews, critics and users, praise for Phoenix and Witherspoon has been ranging from very good to best of their career performance.

Except it'll actually top 100M, right?

Walk the Line that early for Ebert and Roeper means that the reviews are raves.

I have no doubt that Jarhead appeals to many demographics. I have no doubt that there was teenage attendance.

I just dispute the notion that in order for a film to have a great deal of success that the teenagers here have to view their demographic as having a certain percentage of sway over the other parts of the audience.

There are many, many adults that are waiting for Jarhead, Walk the Line, Harry Potter, Kong, Memoirs, Syriana, Munich, Narnia, etc. All those films are notable because they DO target people who are not teenagers.

WRONG

Well, as for Witherspoon that wouldn't be a stretch, would it?

As for Pheonix...it will take a look to convince me that it's better than his performance in Gladiator which was top-notch and one of the best in that year.

It'll have critical support, awards momentum, wide demographic appeal, and gender appeal.

I agree with the Witherspoon comment.

What, you think Jarhead could have done as well without the excellent marketing campaign? If you do, time for a reality check.



Well, you obviously wouldn't know unless you associate with the younger audience I'm referring to, but it has the support. Hopefully, the statistics for the age groups will be in BOM's weekend article. That'll be your proof. I don't have any proof other than my word and word from other excellent predictors on the board, but you think my opinion is bullshit, so why even try, right? I mean, I've heard people talking about Jarhead all week at school, from people I know in college, etc. But, yeah, it's automatically bullshit and made up and biased, right? And, I haven't heard anyone talk about Walk the Line (especially with Harry Potter, which gets a lot more attention). That's bullshit and made up, correct?

I'm not saying Walk the Line isn't going to be successful. I never once said that. But, $35 million opening weekend? That's just ridiculous. Where's your arguement for that? Oh, wait -- "Jarhead did it. Walk the Line will make $5 million more!"

I'm just one kid, though. I can't argue against the "andaroo-Maverikk-Libs" posse because anything I say is automatically wrong by default. Good God, the "I'm older, so I'm superior" attitude the adults have on this board never seizes to amaze me.



Oh, so you wanted proof before, and now, it does have teenage appeal? You're kind of right that teenage appeal isn't necessary for a film to be successful, but it gives films bigger opening weekends because teenagers rush to theaters. Adults don't rush, so Walk the Line will never make $35 million opening weekend.

What was the point of this post? I'm wrong, anyways!

Zingaling, I'm done with you.

I hope you have a fantastic life.

Said the guy who admits that he's clueless about who Johnny Cash is and what he means to Americans.

And Zingy? There are two of us, and only one of us has repeatedly needed a reality check, and it's not me, as my predictions are never based solely on my demographic and anticipation. You use that "good marketing" argument way too much, and I can't for the life of me remember which movie it was that you used that argument, but you changed your stance on the marketing after it flopped, even though I had been telling you that marketing wasn't anything special. I don't think I'll be taking the advice to get a reality check from somebody who has constantly looked at predictions through his own demographic and projected it on the mass audience. THAT needs a reality check.

...what are you trying to say?

That...

1. I disagree with him on such a level that any further "discussion" with him involves putting him down, which is something that I don't think is extremely productive to do.

2. That I'm actually thinking of leaving the site because people are consistantly making me angry, and when this is no longer enjoyable then I have no reason to participate.

3. The box office site here is dominated by some people who have a very skewed understanding of the process. People like Zingaling who will use arguments to support films like Doom that turn out to be failures, and the same arguments that turn out to be success.

The biggest fact here, is that there is very little "facts" about anything, and it is open to a great deal of interpretation. Over time, that interpretation seems to become "fact". And somehow, that validates his argument. It's like shooting in the dark. He wonders why we are so "against" him, the reason is, we're not against him we're just responding to his deep level of (what I feel) inconsistency.

Zingaling wants to know why I think it will do 35, he is very welcome to read my responses in the 14 pages leading up to this one explaining why I think this film can do what it can do.

But even if Walk the Line makes 50 million opening weekend, it doesn't validate my theories, they still remain theories, it just gives me ammunition the next time I make a prediction.

Wouldn't be a first, though, would it?


Why keep arguing anymore. Have the patience to wait two more weeks.

The difference is, that in previous times (since the Craphead incident [tm]) putting Zingaling down has meant to be in good fun.

Lately I've been feeling the urge to rip him a new one from end to end, hard enough to make him want to cry and suffer.

So yeah, it is different.

You mean in a way when you declared my opinion to be less worth than a steaming pile of crap when I bashed M&C?

Yes. One of the few times I was mad at you, was the Master and Commander argument. I was furrrrrrrrrrrrrrrious.

Fortunately the Academy agreed with me

It's not my fault the movie is not good.

It's not like you haven't done it before. Like, say, in the WOKJ chat room? Oops.



If I make you angry, I guess it's understandable. You never liked me from the beginning, so it doesn't shock me. Don't leave because of me, though. I can ignore you, and you can ignore me. It's as easy as that.



Depends on the situation. I do believe that teenagers are a big reason why Jarhead was successful this weekend, and so many others would agree. But, you're not disagreeing with them. Just me.



Okay, so I'm inconsistant. I predict by how I feel. It's not like I make up crap, as I do provide information and facts to support all my predictions.



Go ahead. Ever since the "Craphead" incident, up until the "WOKJ Chat Room" incident, it wasn't good fun. After that, I was fine with it. I've grown up a little -- I can take things better than I could two years ago.

So, yeah, I'd love to see you tear me to shreds. Should be a good time. I'll bring the popcorn.

What was the WOKJ Chat Room incident?