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What grade would you give this film?
A 47%  47%  [ 22 ]
B 34%  34%  [ 16 ]
C 9%  9%  [ 4 ]
D 4%  4%  [ 2 ]
F 6%  6%  [ 3 ]
Total votes : 47

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jb007 wrote:
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I'd be mad too. ;)


My fault. I dragged a group of seven to this.

My friend drags me to Lord of War (I loved it) and I force him to watch this (he hated it) :disgust:


I would feel really bad. I'm suprised they haven't tried to hurt you.


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Don't tell me to get over it. I've been attacked constantly for two days for disliking this movie. All I want is some sort of example... proof of the greatness of the film. I've heard "good this, good that", but show me an example? I don't mind appreciating good cinema, I just can't find anything to like?! What was it that you enjoyed so much? Specifically.

I'm not saying its a fluke, but it surely seems to be one of those situations where everyoen gushes over a movie for little explainable reason. Which is fine, I guess.


Go Maximus!

Get these crazies who made us give this turkey a shot. If this along with Flightplan (which is a good movie) is not a case against critics, I don't know what is.

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Maximus wrote:
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I'd be mad too. ;)


My fault. I dragged a group of seven to this.

My friend drags me to Lord of War (I loved it) and I force him to watch this (he hated it) :disgust:


I would feel really bad. I'm suprised they haven't tried to hurt you.


Fortunately I have known him for a long time.

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jb007 wrote:
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I'd be mad too. ;)


My fault. I dragged a group of seven to this.

My friend drags me to Lord of War (I loved it) and I force him to watch this (he hated it) :disgust:


I would feel really bad. I'm suprised they haven't tried to hurt you.


Fortunately I have known him for a long time.


My dad forced me into Serenity (actually, I was kinda looking foward to this train wreck), so I can't kill him.


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I think it's funny you've gone from B- to train wreck (and that B- equals 0 at IMDb -- what happens if it's a C?). A little BKB-esque opinion shifting never hurt anybody. It's good for laughs.


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Maximus wrote:
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I came in during the video recording of the break out of the loonie girl.


the entire monologue outlining the premise of the universe this tale is taking place in, which atleast in my opinion, is probably the most important part of a movie when trying to understand the premise of a particular movie, including but not limited to the topography of the area a particular scenes are meant to depict.


Okay. I'm sure that was helpful.... I was perfectly capable of understanding what was going on, I just didn't like the execution. It isn't that the story in Serenity is bad (though it's been shot to death in scifi adventure), its the execution of it- the characterization, the direction (which I found to be overwhelmingly pedestrian), the mediocre effects, the music that tried so desperately hard to elicit some sort of emotion (ie the Reavers... WHO found them scary? I found them laughable, and that's about it)

I'm sure the opening monolouge explained the Reavers, etc?


and again, no one is criticizing you for not liking the movie .. they're pointing out that one of the problems you had in the movie was pretty well covered up in the first few minutes of the movie. how you felt about the movie on the other hand is yours to feel.


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jb007 wrote:
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Don't tell me to get over it. I've been attacked constantly for two days for disliking this movie. All I want is some sort of example... proof of the greatness of the film. I've heard "good this, good that", but show me an example? I don't mind appreciating good cinema, I just can't find anything to like?! What was it that you enjoyed so much? Specifically.

I'm not saying its a fluke, but it surely seems to be one of those situations where everyoen gushes over a movie for little explainable reason. Which is fine, I guess.


Go Maximus!

Get these crazies who made us give this turkey a shot. If this along with Flightplan (which is a good movie) is not a case against critics, I don't know what is.


you liked flightplan!!!!!!!!???


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I think it's funny you've gone from B- to train wreck (and that B- equals 0 at IMDb -- what happens if it's a C?). A little BKB-esque opinion shifting never hurt anybody. It's good for laughs.


I never gave it a B-.

Never.

I gave it a C, then shifted to a C-

And instead of reading my posts, where I've noted I would give it an imdb score of 5.5-6, you wouldn't look like such an ass. Maybe it's you that needs to go back to kindergarden. Go learn to read.


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bABA wrote:
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I came in during the video recording of the break out of the loonie girl.


the entire monologue outlining the premise of the universe this tale is taking place in, which atleast in my opinion, is probably the most important part of a movie when trying to understand the premise of a particular movie, including but not limited to the topography of the area a particular scenes are meant to depict.


Okay. I'm sure that was helpful.... I was perfectly capable of understanding what was going on, I just didn't like the execution. It isn't that the story in Serenity is bad (though it's been shot to death in scifi adventure), its the execution of it- the characterization, the direction (which I found to be overwhelmingly pedestrian), the mediocre effects, the music that tried so desperately hard to elicit some sort of emotion (ie the Reavers... WHO found them scary? I found them laughable, and that's about it)

I'm sure the opening monolouge explained the Reavers, etc?


and again, no one is criticizing you for not liking the movie .. they're pointing out that one of the problems you had in the movie was pretty well covered up in the first few minutes of the movie. how you felt about the movie on the other hand is yours to feel.


Everyone has ignored my other complaints, which I will relist if need be. I take your word about the first few minutes, but how about the rest? Hmm? And that's just nitpicking. My general sentiements are that the movie was just mediocre. Sorry, folks.


baba, you must have missed a few posts if you think that I haven't been crticised for disliking Serenity. :roll:


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Maximus wrote:
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I think it's funny you've gone from B- to train wreck (and that B- equals 0 at IMDb -- what happens if it's a C?). A little BKB-esque opinion shifting never hurt anybody. It's good for laughs.


I never gave it a B-.

Never.

I gave it a C, then shifted to a C-

And instead of reading my posts, where I've noted I would give it an imdb score of 5.5-6, you wouldn't look like such an ass. Maybe it's you that needs to go back to kindergarden. Go learn to read.


He was talking about jb007.


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Man! Go ahead and have your opinion -- it's OK, you can do that. State your reasons for your opinion if you wish. But geez, don't go acting like your opinion is the only one or that anyone who disagrees with you is just plain wrong. (Especially when you are in the minority, based on reviews.)

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Maximus wrote:
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I came in during the video recording of the break out of the loonie girl.


the entire monologue outlining the premise of the universe this tale is taking place in, which atleast in my opinion, is probably the most important part of a movie when trying to understand the premise of a particular movie, including but not limited to the topography of the area a particular scenes are meant to depict.


Okay. I'm sure that was helpful.... I was perfectly capable of understanding what was going on, I just didn't like the execution. It isn't that the story in Serenity is bad (though it's been shot to death in scifi adventure), its the execution of it- the characterization, the direction (which I found to be overwhelmingly pedestrian), the mediocre effects, the music that tried so desperately hard to elicit some sort of emotion (ie the Reavers... WHO found them scary? I found them laughable, and that's about it)

I'm sure the opening monolouge explained the Reavers, etc?


and again, no one is criticizing you for not liking the movie .. they're pointing out that one of the problems you had in the movie was pretty well covered up in the first few minutes of the movie. how you felt about the movie on the other hand is yours to feel.


Everyone has ignored my other complaints, which I will relist if need be. I take your word about the first few minutes, but how about the rest? Hmm? And that's just nitpicking. My general sentiements are that the movie was just mediocre. Sorry, folks.


people have ignored every other thing you had to say because you not liking the movie or finding issues with it are your opinion. no ones blasting you for having this opinion ... you can hate it all you want ... a film can't be made to satify everyone. thats why they're criticising you on things that aren't about opinions but those that are either explained or those relating to you assuming people being nothing more than a fanboy ..


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bABA wrote:
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I came in during the video recording of the break out of the loonie girl.


the entire monologue outlining the premise of the universe this tale is taking place in, which atleast in my opinion, is probably the most important part of a movie when trying to understand the premise of a particular movie, including but not limited to the topography of the area a particular scenes are meant to depict.


Okay. I'm sure that was helpful.... I was perfectly capable of understanding what was going on, I just didn't like the execution. It isn't that the story in Serenity is bad (though it's been shot to death in scifi adventure), its the execution of it- the characterization, the direction (which I found to be overwhelmingly pedestrian), the mediocre effects, the music that tried so desperately hard to elicit some sort of emotion (ie the Reavers... WHO found them scary? I found them laughable, and that's about it)

I'm sure the opening monolouge explained the Reavers, etc?


and again, no one is criticizing you for not liking the movie .. they're pointing out that one of the problems you had in the movie was pretty well covered up in the first few minutes of the movie. how you felt about the movie on the other hand is yours to feel.


Everyone has ignored my other complaints, which I will relist if need be. I take your word about the first few minutes, but how about the rest? Hmm? And that's just nitpicking. My general sentiements are that the movie was just mediocre. Sorry, folks.


people have ignored every other thing you had to say because you not liking the movie or finding issues with it are your opinion. no ones blasting you for having this opinion ... you can hate it all you want ... a film can't be made to satify everyone. thats why they're criticising you on things that aren't about opinions but those that are either explained or those relating to you assuming people being nothing more than a fanboy ..


The one's I've refered to as fanboys are those who have defended the picture's numbers. That's it.

We'll all have to agree to disagree on Serenity, and move on.


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Maximus wrote:

Don't tell me to get over it. I've been attacked constantly for two days for disliking this movie. All I want is some sort of example... proof of the greatness of the film. I've heard "good this, good that", but show me an example? I don't mind appreciating good cinema, I just can't find anything to like?! What was it that you enjoyed so much? Specifically.

I'm not saying its a fluke, but it surely seems to be one of those situations where everyoen gushes over a movie for little explainable reason. Which is fine, I guess.


If it was fine with you, you probably would have stopped posting in this thread long ago.

The thing is, people can list some specific examples, some "proof of the greatness of the film", but since you hated the movie, you will likely hate the parts that the fans liked. I thought that Wash's death scene was great because of how shocking it was, and I loved how quickly the movie shifted from comedy to tragedy: It was good because it was so unexpected. It was the same type of genre-shift that critics praised Shaun of the Dead for, and although you only thought Shaun was "somewhat funny", you didn't go trashing the people who liked it. Although you haven't specifically stated your opinion on either, I have a feeling that you think Wash's death was dumb and pointless and didn't have the emotional impact that Whedon was probably hoping for, whereas you probably had no such problem with Shaun's Mom's or David's deaths (which are similar because they,likewise, happened so suddenly).

I think you're letting fanboy opinions get to you too much. Some of the fans that frequent this board, notably Hoban, were being real jackasses towards the non-fans by refusing to accept any opinion except "Serenity is fucking awesome", and despite the fact that I loved the movie, I didn't condone that attitude (not that my opinion really matters). You are completely justified to hate the movie, but you're stooping to the fans' level by being a similar jackass towards them and refusing to acknowledge their opinions.

You said it yourself: The majority of the population didn't like Serenity, since only the fans have went to see it. Your opinion is in the majority, so stop acting like every single person is against you. The fans seem willing to let this matter slide, but it also seems they expect you to stop before they do. You've been the victim of some unjustified fanboy wrath, and any fanbase that has kept a cancelled tv series' memory alive for 3 years will never be stopped. Please take it upon yourself to end this; Be the bigger man and step down. Now that I've made my points, I will avoid being a hypocrite by stepping down as well. There are definitely some assumptions I have made that are potentially false, which you might want to correct. But please, try to nip this thing as close to the bud as possible.

Edit: Looks like you just summed up my 3 paragraph post in one sentence. Thank you for agreeing to move on.

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Don't tell me to get over it. I've been attacked constantly for two days for disliking this movie. All I want is some sort of example... proof of the greatness of the film. I've heard "good this, good that", but show me an example? I don't mind appreciating good cinema, I just can't find anything to like?! What was it that you enjoyed so much? Specifically.

I'm not saying its a fluke, but it surely seems to be one of those situations where everyoen gushes over a movie for little explainable reason. Which is fine, I guess.


If it was fine with you, you probably would have stopped posting in this thread long ago.

The thing is, people can list some specific examples, some "proof of the greatness of the film", but since you hated the movie, you will likely hate the parts that the fans liked. I thought that Wash's death scene was great because of how shocking it was, and I loved how quickly the movie shifted from comedy to tragedy: It was good because it was so unexpected. It was the same type of genre-shift that critics praised Shaun of the Dead for, and although you only thought Shaun was "somewhat funny", you didn't go trashing the people who liked it. Although you haven't specifically stated your opinion on either, I have a feeling that you think Wash's death was dumb and pointless and didn't have the emotional impact that Whedon was probably hoping for, whereas you probably had no such problem with Shaun's Mom's or David's deaths (which are similar because they,likewise, happened so suddenly).

I think you're letting fanboy opinions get to you too much. Some of the fans that frequent this board, notably Hoban, were being real jackasses towards the non-fans by refusing to accept any opinion except "Serenity is fucking awesome", and despite the fact that I loved the movie, I didn't condone that attitude (not that my opinion really matters). You are completely justified to hate the movie, but you're stooping to the fans' level by being a similar jackass towards them and refusing to acknowledge their opinions.

You said it yourself: The majority of the population didn't like Serenity, since only the fans have went to see it. Your opinion is in the majority, so stop acting like every single person is against you. The fans seem willing to let this matter slide, but it also seems they expect you to stop before they do. You've been the victim of some unjustified fanboy wrath, and any fanbase that has kept a cancelled tv series' memory alive for 3 years will never be stopped. Please take it upon yourself to end this; Be the bigger man and step down. Now that I've made my points, I will avoid being a hypocrite by stepping down as well. There are definitely some assumptions I have made that are potentially false, which you might want to correct. But please, try to nip this thing as close to the bud as possible.

Edit: Looks like you just summed up my 3 paragraph post in one sentence. Thank you for agreeing to move on.



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but serenity is fucking awesome ... : )


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but serenity is fucking awesome ... : )



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Like I mentioned before the more I thought about Serenity, the more I disliked the movie. The scene where the Shepard died the acting was so pitiful, I laughed out loud. Even with my B-, I mentioned there was nothing about the movie I liked. As I mentioned elsewhere, what can you expect from the maker of Buffy? A masterpiece. :tongue:

@bABA: I loved Flight Plan. In fact I just watched it for the second time today with my family.

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Like I mentioned before the more I thought about Serenity, the more I disliked the movie. The scene where the Shepard died the acting was so pitiful, I laughed out loud. Even with my B-, I mentioned there was nothing about the movie I liked. As I mentioned elsewhere, what can you expect from the maker of Buffy? A masterpiece. :tongue:

@bABA: I loved Flight Plan. In fact I just watched it for the second time today with my family.


wow ... i dont know why but i had a feeling you wouldn't like it.


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wow ... i dont know why but i had a feeling you wouldn't like it.


Jodie Foster is the female Tom Hanks. She has had only one misstep as far as I am concerned (The King & I remake).

Anyway whoever mentioned that my review of Serenity was akin to BKB's is grasping for straws. Go check my mini review on the crowd reports thread where I gave it a B-. I specifically mentioned that I did not like any character or the story. If you think that is high praise for serenity, you got bigger problems.

Further, if you like the movie good for you. I am not trying to change your or anybody else's opinion. Just don't throw worthless shit like some dumbass critics opinion to convince me this crap smells like roses. I have given way too much time to this turkey (Serenity). Nothing more from me.

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wow ... i dont know why but i had a feeling you wouldn't like it.


Jodie Foster is the female Tom Hanks. She has had only one misstep as far as I am concerned (The King & I remake).

Anyway whoever mentioned that my review of Serenity was akin to BKB's is grasping for straws. Go check my mini review on the crowd reports thread where I gave it a B-. I specifically mentioned that I did not like any character or the story. If you think that is high praise for serenity, you got bigger problems.

Further, if you like the movie good for you. I am not trying to change your or anybody else's opinion. Just don't throw worthless shit like some dumbass critics opinion to convince me this crap smells like roses. I have given way too much time to this turkey (Serenity). Nothing more from me.


B- is a pretty damn good score for crap, though. I mean, I'd give my own crap an A+, but that's cos I'm fecal-proud - I really love my shit. But if you crapped on my floor--and it didn't smell of roses--the best I'd give it is a C. Maybe a C+ if it was particularly well-formed.


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wow ... i dont know why but i had a feeling you wouldn't like it.


Jodie Foster is the female Tom Hanks. She has had only one misstep as far as I am concerned (The King & I remake).

Anyway whoever mentioned that my review of Serenity was akin to BKB's is grasping for straws. Go check my mini review on the crowd reports thread where I gave it a B-. I specifically mentioned that I did not like any character or the story. If you think that is high praise for serenity, you got bigger problems.

Further, if you like the movie good for you. I am not trying to change your or anybody else's opinion. Just don't throw worthless shit like some dumbass critics opinion to convince me this crap smells like roses. I have given way too much time to this turkey (Serenity). Nothing more from me.


My sentiments exactly. I'm finished with this thread.

Oh, and I drop my grade to a D.

Just to piss you guys off :shades:


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Meh. Who'd trust the opinion of a fuming, emotional internet geek anyway? Granted, we're all internet geeks. But most of us trust our own opinions more than taking what everyone else is saying and automatically going against it.


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i like how i am some kind of template of what not to do. i made one post over a month ago insulting someone and apparently thats all that matters. Perhaps i should search through every posters history and find a post where they insulted someone and just constantly bring that one post up, i mean, that seems fair, right?
Anway, i will just have to relish in Serenity's critical acclaim and find some way to move past a few of these C's that turn to F's and B's that turn to F's all in a period of less than a weekend, not out of hate for the fans, but because the ones who voted that way had an epiphany that the movie was pure shit.

I dont know how many more "wow, that hoban is an ass" crap. i made ONE insult to someone over a month ago about their opinion on the Serenity trailer. all the subsequent arguments about Serenity were arguments where a bunch of people were fighting about Serenity. If some people hadn't noticed, there are a few people here who spend a good deal of time going on and on about how Serenity is awful and the rotten tomato reviews mean nothing and the metacritic reviews mean nothing and cinema score is useless and IMDB is tainted by the fans and how the whole world, or the US at least, is conspiring to get Serenity good reviews despite that fact that is, in fact, the worst movie of all time. Worse than Glitter, worse than Bio-Dome, worse than Gigli, yes, it is absolute trash and they are just trying to enlighten the non-believers about the crap that is Serenity.

I went on for a bit there, but i have some pent up anger about the issue because since my argument well over a month ago i have been going out of my way to not insult people or say anything that one person might take as a personal attack on their character or something, but all that matters until the end of time is that one post, apparently.

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I have a question. How important is seeing the series for watching the movie.


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