"Where the Truth Lies" Slapped with NC-17
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zingy
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 "Where the Truth Lies" Slapped with NC-17
http://www.comingsoon.net/news/topnews.php?id=10919
Quote: THINKFilm announced today that the company will appeal the Motion Picture Association of America's (MPAA) "NC-17" rating of the suspense filled mystery, Where the Truth Lies. Academy-Award- nominated writer-director Atom Egoyan will speak on behalf of the film at the upcoming appeal. An "NC-17" rating from the MPAA restricts access to the film to audiences under the age of 17. An appeal date is being set.
THINKFilm chairman Robert Lantos, who is also the film's producer, notes: "'Where the Truth Lies' is a sophisticated and intelligently provocative film. The NC-17 rating will unfairly limit people's access to it because of the number of theaters in America which will not play an NC-17 rated film. This film stars some of the most talented actors in the movies today, is based on a popular mainstream novel and is written and directed by a filmmaker known for his artistic integrity and achievement. The film has not encountered this kind of restrictive rating anywhere else in the free world. Only in America will many be deprived of access to it."
The film tells the story of what happens during a ménage a trios that leads to a girl's death and it is the ménage a trois scene which has yielded the NC-17 rating. Continues Lantos, "This scene is done using a single sustained mastershot in order to allow the actors the most conducive environment for intimacy and intensity, and in order to best communicate what happens in the film's pivotal scene. It cannot be cut without compromising the central scene of the narrative and thus rendering the mystery of the film incomprehensible. It remains more than a bit absurd to me that this scene would garner an R if shot exactly the same but from just torso up, but becomes an NC-17 because the mastershot reveals full bodies."
In Where the Truth Lies, based on Rupert Holmes' acclaimed novel of the same name, Kevin Bacon and Colin Firth star as Lanny Morris and Vince Collins, the country's hottest entertainment duo. Lanny and Vince are knee deep in all the wealth and power that comes with such fame. That is, until a beautiful girl (Rachel Blanchard) turns up naked and dead in the pair's hotel suite after a night of wild partying. Years later, an intrepid reporter (Alison Lohman) sets out to discover what happened that night, only to be lured into the seductive games of these men.
The film received its world premiere at Cannes this year and will have its North American premiere as an official gala of the 2005 Toronto Film Festival. Where the Truth Lies marks the sixth collaboration between Atom Egoyan and Golden Globe nominated producer Robert Lantos. The film is scheduled to be released on October 14 in New York and Los Angeles, with a national expansion on October 21.
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Tue Aug 23, 2005 4:09 pm |
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Maximus
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Silly. This shouldn't be restricted because of a few nude scenes.
(PS. I would have Atmon Egoyan's baby!) 
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Tue Aug 23, 2005 7:50 pm |
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A. G.
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Seems ok to me. In fact I wish people under 17 couldn't see R movies either. Anyway it will probably end up being a badge of honor for the movie and draw more of an audience, not like it was going to be widely popular if it was R. And once on DVD, ratings don't seem to matter at all.
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Tue Aug 23, 2005 8:00 pm |
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dolcevita
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Maximus wrote: (PS. I would have Atmon Egoyan's baby!)  Um, yeah. But we'd all have to fight off his wife, who'se quite cool by the way...so I'd feel kinda bad.
I don't mind NC17 if it was just a content warning, its just that here, it really starts denying people accesss. I also don't mind the rating, if, say, it really dealt with content. But it just deals with surface, which is irritating. Most of Egoyan's stuff is quite intense actually, so if it warranted higher age rating, it should be for that....not some girl's breast.
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Tue Aug 23, 2005 8:32 pm |
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Johnny Dollar
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Yeah, it's one thing if NC-17 is simply a high rating, like the R. But in fact, it functions as censorship; most theaters won't run it, it can't get released, etc.
Over a simple sex scene, no less. Disgusting.
They should start rating stuff like Be Cool and The Ring Two and its ilk NC-17. They're far more offensive, at least to me, than any set of breasts.
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Tue Aug 23, 2005 8:37 pm |
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andaroo1
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I don't think this effects it at all really.
It probably adds to the film's mystique.
It's not like Egoyan films sold well in the US to begin with.
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Tue Aug 23, 2005 9:53 pm |
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Maximus
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dolcevita wrote: Maximus wrote: (PS. I would have Atmon Egoyan's baby!)  Um, yeah. But we'd all have to fight off his wife, who'se quite cool by the way...so I'd feel kinda bad. I don't mind NC17 if it was just a content warning, its just that here, it really starts denying people accesss. I also don't mind the rating, if, say, it really dealt with content. But it just deals with surface, which is irritating. Most of Egoyan's stuff is quite intense actually, so if it warranted higher age rating, it should be for that....not some girl's breast.
Darnit, I just typed a post here and the computered up.. lost it...
Anyway, the most important thing I wanted to ask was: who is he married to?
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Wed Aug 24, 2005 7:44 pm |
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dolcevita
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Maximus wrote: dolcevita wrote: Um, yeah. But we'd all have to fight off his wife, who'se quite cool by the way...so I'd feel kinda bad.
Darnit, I just typed a post here and the computered up.. lost it... Anyway, the most important thing I wanted to ask was: who is he married to?
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0451376/
Arsinée Khanjian
She stars in almost all his movies. Even Hereafter, she had a small role. I believe the mother of the "hippie" couple.
She helped him do his first feature film Calendar by, you guessed it, playing his wife. Actually, I really love Calendar, and they pretty much pulled it off for pennies because he plays a photographer that goes to do a calendar of church landscapes and takes his wife along as translator. He watches her slowly falll in love and leave him while shooting on location when she begins to speak to their guide (in the mode of translation, and transition into a relationship). The movie is delivered in retrospect. Where he's at home one year later, the calendar has come out, and is up on his wall. Every month when the new image on the calendar appears it flashes back to the deepening relationship of his wife to the guide. All before his eyes because he always felt alienated learning his homeland tongue Armenian. In Exotica, she plays the head owner of the club, and she has a small role in Felicia's Journey as well. I haven't seen Ararat or Speaking parts, but she's listed in being in those as well.
She'll be in Where the Truth Lies also.
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Wed Aug 24, 2005 9:54 pm |
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Maximus
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dolcevita wrote: Maximus wrote: dolcevita wrote: Um, yeah. But we'd all have to fight off his wife, who'se quite cool by the way...so I'd feel kinda bad.
Darnit, I just typed a post here and the computered up.. lost it... Anyway, the most important thing I wanted to ask was: who is he married to? http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0451376/Arsinée Khanjian She stars in almost all his movies. Even Hereafter, she had a small role. I believe the mother of the "hippie" couple. She helped him do his first feature film Calendar by, you guessed it, playing his wife. Actually, I really love Calendar, and they pretty much pulled it off for pennies because he plays a photographer that goes to do a calendar of church landscapes and takes his wife along as translator. He watches her slowly falll in love and leave him while shooting on location when she begins to speak to their guide (in the mode of translation, and transition into a relationship). The movie is delivered in retrospect. Where he's at home one year later, the calendar has come out, and is up on his wall. Every month when the new image on the calendar appears it flashes back to the deepening relationship of his wife to the guide. All before his eyes because he always felt alienated learning his homeland tongue Armenian. In Exotica, she plays the head owner of the club, and she has a small role in Felicia's Journey as well. I haven't seen Ararat or Speaking parts, but she's listed in being in those as well. She'll be in Where the Truth Lies also.
Interesting, I hadn't noticed.... and Calender sounds interesting too... jeez, you've got my netflix account filled for months, dolce! She was decent in The Sweet Hereafter, but it was such a small role.... moving, but nothing exceptional. I'd like to see her in a larger role- so I need to rent Calender.
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Wed Aug 24, 2005 10:01 pm |
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Raffiki
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I have always, as many, really disagreed with the ratings of films in America.
Sad to say, though, that since I can now see NC-17 movies and there are theatres in LA that will show them I have been less passionate about it.
Glad to see Egoyan making some kind of buzz... any publicity is good and I can't wait to see this!
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Wed Aug 24, 2005 11:25 pm |
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andaroo1
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Ratings in other countries can be worse...
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Wed Aug 24, 2005 11:29 pm |
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Bradley Witherberry
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This is a very stylish mystery thriller that has a very David Lynch feel. Very accessible compared to most of Egoyan's overly artsy films. The much talked about sex was indeed quite racy, but definitely integral to the story. And the mystery story itself was very nicely constructed, I was pleasantly surprised at the outcome. The three lead actors were very good, with Allison Lohman practically glowing in her retro fashions. This is a good movie, that unfortunately doesn't seem like it'll be seen by many people.
4 out of 5.
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Thu Oct 20, 2005 5:48 am |
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getluv
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In Australia, the film has been given an R18 rating for strong sex scenes. However, cinemas here don't have a stupid rule for not showing adults only films. Thats just stupid. So its not the MPAA, its the fucking cinema chains.
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Thu Oct 20, 2005 10:58 am |
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Bradley Witherberry
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getluv wrote: In Australia, the film has been given an R18 rating for strong sex scenes. However, cinemas here don't have a stupid rule for not showing adults only films. Thats just stupid. So its not the MPAA, its the fucking cinema chains.
Err... there wouldn't be a problem if they really were fucking cinema chains...
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Thu Oct 20, 2005 12:57 pm |
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bABA
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yoshue wrote: Yeah, it's one thing if NC-17 is simply a high rating, like the R. But in fact, it functions as censorship; most theaters won't run it, it can't get released, etc.
Over a simple sex scene, no less. Disgusting.
They should start rating stuff like Be Cool and The Ring Two and its ilk NC-17. They're far more offensive, at least to me, than any set of breasts.
excuse me!?!?!? I'm sorry .. next time you're blessed with a menage a trois (with 2 women), I'll call it 'simple'!!
hmph!! its tough to get one girl these days .... and you make it sound like 2 girls is such a standard

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Thu Oct 20, 2005 2:51 pm |
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mary
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This movie isn't NC-17. Thinkfilm had given up the NC-17 rating, and release it unrated.
Ironically, unrated "Where the Truth Lies" didn't do better than what NC-17 "The Dreamers" did at the opening weekend. When it opened on nine US theaters last Friday, it only has about $4,012 pre-theater average. (It opened in Canada on 10/7/2005.... It also bombed in there)
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Thu Oct 20, 2005 8:55 pm |
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dolcevita
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Sadly, this is the first Egoyan that's really been panned. I read somewhere that someone accused it of being his "Showgirls." Right when I really thought he was enough of a household name that he could break through here. I'm still going to try and see it, especially after watching Speaking Parts (which was very interesting) for the film festival. But something tells me it will have a marginal theatre count and run. I can't wait until more people discover him though, he's one of my favorite new directors.
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Thu Oct 20, 2005 9:17 pm |
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getluv
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bradley witherberry wrote: getluv wrote: In Australia, the film has been given an R18 rating for strong sex scenes. However, cinemas here don't have a stupid rule for not showing adults only films. Thats just stupid. So its not the MPAA, its the fucking cinema chains. Err... there wouldn't be a problem if they really were fucking cinema chains...
That's fucked up.
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Dkmuto
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Anyone else seen this? (This was the only thread I could find on the film.)
I thought there was some occasional, unsuccessful tone juggling, but I otherwise found it pretty enthralling and, crazy for a film by this guy, I thought it was an incredibly fun watch.
B+/A-
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Jmart
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Dkmuto wrote: Anyone else seen this? (This was the only thread I could find on the film.)
I thought there was some occasional, unsuccessful tone juggling, but I otherwise found it pretty enthralling and, crazy for a film by this guy, I thought it was an incredibly fun watch.
B+/A-
I saw it. It wasn't the best character drama I've ever seen, and it hampers from Alison Lohman being too young for her role, but it was still good nonetheless.
I don't get the Unrated/NC-17 rating though. I heard that it got the big "NC-17" because of the brief homosexual part during the threesome scene. If so, I don't understand that at all. All the other nudity in the film doesn't even put it anywhere near the "severity" of that rating. I found it to be rather tame (Nowhere near close to Showgirls) for a "controversial" film.
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Dkmuto
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jmart007 wrote: Dkmuto wrote: Anyone else seen this? (This was the only thread I could find on the film.)
I thought there was some occasional, unsuccessful tone juggling, but I otherwise found it pretty enthralling and, crazy for a film by this guy, I thought it was an incredibly fun watch.
B+/A- I saw it. It wasn't the best character drama I've ever seen, and it hampers from Alison Lohman being too young for her role, but it was still good nonetheless. I don't get the Unrated/NC-17 rating though. I heard that it got the big "NC-17" because of the brief homosexual part during the threesome scene. If so, I don't understand that at all. All the other nudity in the film doesn't even put it anywhere near the "severity" of that rating. I found it to be rather tame (Nowhere near close to Showgirls) for a "controversial" film.
I doubt it was because of that scene. Nothing even really happened there.
But yeah, I think the rest could have slipped by with an R rating. I don't understand the controversy.
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zennier
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Right after I first saw Sweet Hereafter, they announced this picture. Been enthusiastic ever since. I'll Netflix it soon, though I wish the reviews were a bit more encouraging.
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Dkmuto
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lennier wrote: Right after I first saw Sweet Hereafter, they announced this picture. Been enthusiastic ever since. I'll Netflix it soon, though I wish the reviews were a bit more encouraging.
Maybe I'm just not the noir afficionado that a lot of the critics are, but I thought it was a great take on the genre.
The only other Egoyan film I've seen is The Sweet Hereafter, but I'm guessing this one is his most accessible.
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Bradley Witherberry
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At this point, I'm just happy to hear that someone else saw the damn thing...
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Shack
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Just saw the movie. Gave it an A-, thought it was surprisingly fantastic. If it wasn't for some slow moments in the middle, and some of the sex scenes being lengthy and unneeded like a porno, it would've been a straight A. It was much more entertaining than I thought it would be, it was slick and snazzy. I also thought the production was much better than I expected. Cinematography, editing(though yeah, could've been used to cut some of the porn), and lighting (!) was all top-notch. Acting by Bacon and Firth was strong as well.
Anyways, yeah. Amazingly fun and entertaining watch, and it had some depth as well. I loved it.
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