The 'Big Brother 6' Thread
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Mister Ecks
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Okay, there is a lot of talk coming and a lot of spoilers, so highlight the following words, and I'll try the best I can to give you an idea of what I'm thinking.
Basically, I woke up two hours ago, and have not stopped thinking about the game. At all. I think I'm more into it than they are, but that's not likely. Here's the deal: someone from the outcasts is going home, and judging by what the whole house is agreeing upon, it's Rachel. Good, fine. I'm rooting for Howie and Janelle in the final two, and might be rooting more for James in the third place spot than Rachel. I don't hate her, but she seems to be more of a schemer, and she's more likely to vote off Janelle and maybe even Howie to further herself. Sure, that's a goodbye to an extra $500,000, but the initial $500,000 could be out of reach if she thought Howie was dragging her down.
After this, it seems that most people are either considering or strongly thinking about ousting either Beau or Ivette next week. It's smart, because no matter what, they are two people and they have the upperhand. There is no Friendship, no Outcasts, these two are for themselves, and everyone should know it. My best guess is that an Outcast WILL win the HOH this week, I am making that a prediction, and to further the prediction, it will be someone who has already won HOH. Howie. He will likely remain in the hot seat on Thursday, but his partner will be gone. Much like Janelle's win when Kaysar was voted off, I believe Howie will be the most determined, and HOPEFULLY won't fuck it up like last time. This secures Beau or Ivette's removal, because Maggie and April both realize that the remaining pair will choose themselves over April and Maggie.
If all goes well, this means Rachel will be gone, and then Beau or Ivette. This would leave Howie, Janelle, James, Maggie, April, and either Beau or Ivette. It's a level playing field, and after that is anyone's guess. I think James winning next would be great, and he would likely gun for Maggie and either April or Beau/Ivette.
This is NOT impossible, but this are also just my predictions of what I would really like to happen. Everything said about getting the last pair out is true, so the rest is wishful thinking that the plan WILL follow through.
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Cotton
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I agree with Mike, although I think the two remaining oucasts after Thursday's eviction will have smaller target on their backs. I say Janelle will last another week or two before someone finally puts her on ice. Rachel could wing it if conflict occurs and she's smart enough to stay out of it, but I don't see her lasting that much longer either.
If I had to pick a winner right now, I'll go for Maggie. She reminds me a lot of Diane from last season, in so much that she's tough enough to simply plow her way to the top. In other words, she's the opposite of James, who weasels through everything, she just throws the gauntlet down.
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Mister Ecks
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Cotton wrote: I agree with Mike, although I think the two remaining oucasts after Thursday's eviction will have smaller target on their backs. I say Janelle will last another week or two before someone finally puts her on ice. Rachel could wing it if conflict occurs and she's smart enough to stay out of it, but I don't see her lasting that much longer either.
If I had to pick a winner right now, I'll go for Maggie. She reminds me a lot of Diane from last season, in so much that she's tough enough to simply plow her way to the top. In other words, she's the opposite of James, who weasels through everything, she just throws the gauntlet down.
Diane didn't go to the top, though. Final three, if that's what you mean, but Drew chose Cowboy over her. Diane SHOULD have won, but the damn ghosts of Horsemen Past stuck with Drew and Cowboy.
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Mister Ecks
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I was listening to a comment from Rachel yesterday, about Michael and Janelle doing The Amazing Race. Anyone think that some of the pairs might do Amazing Race? I think it's more likely that Kaysar and Michael would do Amazing Race.
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Mon Aug 22, 2005 2:43 pm |
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Mister Ecks
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Another theory-
It's possible Maggie and April could throw the HOH, so it gives a chance for the Outcasts to put up Ivette and Beau, to do the dirty work. I really honestly don't think they're in this for the friendship. They want the money, too.
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Mister Ecks
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POV Ceremony Spoilers:
As expected, James did NOT use the veto, so it seems that Rachel is going home. Howie needs to keep his mouth shut, and I assume he will. 3 on 3 for the HOH this week, so here's hoping for good news. Although, the worst thing is I don't know who James is playing with. He plays both sides quite well.
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greasedlightning
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Mr. X wrote: POV Ceremony Spoilers:
As expected, James did NOT use the veto, so it seems that Rachel is going home. Howie needs to keep his mouth shut, and I assume he will. 3 on 3 for the HOH this week, so here's hoping for good news. Although, the worst thing is I don't know who James is playing with. He plays both sides quite well.
Well, yes, Rachel is going, but James and Janelle seem to have struck up an alliance. They got together last night and made a deal to be final two. They want April in the final three with them so they can pick her off easy. Don't know if I trust this alliance because we all know James, but if they can stick it out, I think they're quite the team. Janelle has the brains for the mental competitions because she always does incredibly well in them, and her and James both do good in physical. This last veto, he beat her by just four seconds -- and he admitted to cheating by not removing the ropes from the last few hooks to save time -- and it was in the rules you had to remove the votes. So, if he had followed the rules, she would have won. I think they're an excellent pairing, if they stick with it.
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Mon Aug 22, 2005 5:54 pm |
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Mister Ecks
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greasedlightning wrote: Mr. X wrote: POV Ceremony Spoilers:
As expected, James did NOT use the veto, so it seems that Rachel is going home. Howie needs to keep his mouth shut, and I assume he will. 3 on 3 for the HOH this week, so here's hoping for good news. Although, the worst thing is I don't know who James is playing with. He plays both sides quite well. Well, yes, Rachel is going, but James and Janelle seem to have struck up an alliance. They got together last night and made a deal to be final two. They want April in the final three with them so they can pick her off easy. Don't know if I trust this alliance because we all know James, but if they can stick it out, I think they're quite the team. Janelle has the brains for the mental competitions because she always does incredibly well in them, and her and James both do good in physical. This last veto, he beat her by just four seconds -- and he admitted to cheating by not removing the ropes from the last few hooks to save time -- and it was in the rules you had to remove the votes. So, if he had followed the rules, she would have won. I think they're an excellent pairing, if they stick with it.
He cheated? Why didn't they disqualify him?
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Mr. X wrote: greasedlightning wrote: Mr. X wrote: POV Ceremony Spoilers:
As expected, James did NOT use the veto, so it seems that Rachel is going home. Howie needs to keep his mouth shut, and I assume he will. 3 on 3 for the HOH this week, so here's hoping for good news. Although, the worst thing is I don't know who James is playing with. He plays both sides quite well. Well, yes, Rachel is going, but James and Janelle seem to have struck up an alliance. They got together last night and made a deal to be final two. They want April in the final three with them so they can pick her off easy. Don't know if I trust this alliance because we all know James, but if they can stick it out, I think they're quite the team. Janelle has the brains for the mental competitions because she always does incredibly well in them, and her and James both do good in physical. This last veto, he beat her by just four seconds -- and he admitted to cheating by not removing the ropes from the last few hooks to save time -- and it was in the rules you had to remove the votes. So, if he had followed the rules, she would have won. I think they're an excellent pairing, if they stick with it.He cheated? Why didn't they disqualify him?
That's what I want to know. Either Howie or Rachel would most likely still be going home, but James would've been put up and he could have been voted out if either Maggie or April decided to vote that way. Doubtful, but it could've played out that way.
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Mon Aug 22, 2005 7:16 pm |
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greasedlightning
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Mr. X wrote: greasedlightning wrote: Mr. X wrote: POV Ceremony Spoilers:
As expected, James did NOT use the veto, so it seems that Rachel is going home. Howie needs to keep his mouth shut, and I assume he will. 3 on 3 for the HOH this week, so here's hoping for good news. Although, the worst thing is I don't know who James is playing with. He plays both sides quite well. Well, yes, Rachel is going, but James and Janelle seem to have struck up an alliance. They got together last night and made a deal to be final two. They want April in the final three with them so they can pick her off easy. Don't know if I trust this alliance because we all know James, but if they can stick it out, I think they're quite the team. Janelle has the brains for the mental competitions because she always does incredibly well in them, and her and James both do good in physical. This last veto, he beat her by just four seconds -- and he admitted to cheating by not removing the ropes from the last few hooks to save time -- and it was in the rules you had to remove the votes. So, if he had followed the rules, she would have won. I think they're an excellent pairing, if they stick with it.He cheated? Why didn't they disqualify him?
They said they would "review the tapes" but they always tell them that, and then never get back to them. Like, when Kaysar was HoH, someone took his special meats out of the fridge and left them out in the storage room and they spoiled. They said they would review the tapes and get back to him, and they never did. And as POV ceremony already took place, they're not going to do anything about it.
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Mon Aug 22, 2005 7:36 pm |
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MikeQ.
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greasedlightning wrote: Mr. X wrote: POV Ceremony Spoilers:
As expected, James did NOT use the veto, so it seems that Rachel is going home. Howie needs to keep his mouth shut, and I assume he will. 3 on 3 for the HOH this week, so here's hoping for good news. Although, the worst thing is I don't know who James is playing with. He plays both sides quite well. Well, yes, Rachel is going, but James and Janelle seem to have struck up an alliance. They got together last night and made a deal to be final two. They want April in the final three with them so they can pick her off easy. Don't know if I trust this alliance because we all know James, but if they can stick it out, I think they're quite the team. Janelle has the brains for the mental competitions because she always does incredibly well in them, and her and James both do good in physical. This last veto, he beat her by just four seconds -- and he admitted to cheating by not removing the ropes from the last few hooks to save time -- and it was in the rules you had to remove the votes. So, if he had followed the rules, she would have won. I think they're an excellent pairing, if they stick with it.
Is this a real deal? Not just connecting the dots? I realize James could just go back on his word, but I wanted to know if this is a real verbal deal that occured, even if James is James. Janelle and James have been fairly good towards eachother throughout the whole game. No blowups between those two. And Janelle invited James to see her HOH room, while ignoring the friendship, etc. This might work. And with Howie tagging along (presuming Rachel is out on thursday) then you've got 3 vs 3 for the next HOH competition. Ahhhh. Please, please let this be true and follow through. Hehe. James and Janelle are my two favourite players, so I would love for this to happen.
PEACE, Mike.
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MikeQ.
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Janelle lost by FOUR fucking seconds. Geeeeeeeeeeeeeeze. And she lost because of Beau's floating thing, since it was tied so well, and she had to go down 3 times. Damnit. Beau.
And Wow, Beau and Ivette REALLY hate Rachel. What did Beau call her again? "Shitty grey" or something like that? lmao. And then Ivette was mocking her and everything. lol. Hilarious. I definately predict Rachel going now. Easily.
It's so depressing that Janelle only lost by 4 seconds. She was so disappointed in herself. Janelle is great. She is physically fit and smart. She excells in all competitions, and if this possible James/Janelle alliance works out, I'll be really happy. Infact, now that I think about it, if James and Janelle make it to the final 2, Janelle has a small chance of winning. She'll get Howie and Rachel's votes, plus possibly Maggie's, as she is not on the best of terms with James. Then she just needs one more, which she might squeeze if people are really adamant about James not winning.
PEACE, Mike.
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Tue Aug 23, 2005 9:55 pm |
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Mister Ecks
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MikeQ. wrote: Janelle lost by FOUR fucking seconds. Geeeeeeeeeeeeeeze. And she lost because of Beau's floating thing, since it was tied so well, and she had to go down 3 times. Damnit. Beau.
And Wow, Beau and Ivette REALLY hate Rachel. What did Beau call her again? "Shitty grey" or something like that? lmao. And then Ivette was mocking her and everything. lol. Hilarious. I definately predict Rachel going now. Easily.
It's so depressing that Janelle only lost by 4 seconds. She was so disappointed in herself. Janelle is great. She is physically fit and smart. She excells in all competitions, and if this possible James/Janelle alliance works out, I'll be really happy. Infact, now that I think about it, if James and Janelle make it to the final 2, Janelle has a small chance of winning. She'll get Howie and Rachel's votes, plus possibly Maggie's, as she is not on the best of terms with James. Then she just needs one more, which she might squeeze if people are really adamant about James not winning.
PEACE, Mike.
I didn't get to see the Ivette tirade yet (I'll watch it tomorrow, since I know mostly everything that happens), but from what I've read, it sounds 100% Ivette, and that's a bad thing. I know I'm biased towards the Outcasts + James (unless he stabs them in the back, which might happen), but she still has done plenty in that house to deserve hatred.
OH, and America's Choice this week. Nope, no shitty "What household appliance would you like to send the houseguests?" question. Just like voting someone back in, we will have the power this week. The surprise will be revealed Thursday, and it sounds juicy. Can't wait to find out!!
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MikeQ.
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Mr. X wrote: MikeQ. wrote: Janelle lost by FOUR fucking seconds. Geeeeeeeeeeeeeeze. And she lost because of Beau's floating thing, since it was tied so well, and she had to go down 3 times. Damnit. Beau.
And Wow, Beau and Ivette REALLY hate Rachel. What did Beau call her again? "Shitty grey" or something like that? lmao. And then Ivette was mocking her and everything. lol. Hilarious. I definately predict Rachel going now. Easily.
It's so depressing that Janelle only lost by 4 seconds. She was so disappointed in herself. Janelle is great. She is physically fit and smart. She excells in all competitions, and if this possible James/Janelle alliance works out, I'll be really happy. Infact, now that I think about it, if James and Janelle make it to the final 2, Janelle has a small chance of winning. She'll get Howie and Rachel's votes, plus possibly Maggie's, as she is not on the best of terms with James. Then she just needs one more, which she might squeeze if people are really adamant about James not winning.
PEACE, Mike. I didn't get to see the Ivette tirade yet (I'll watch it tomorrow, since I know mostly everything that happens), but from what I've read, it sounds 100% Ivette, and that's a bad thing. I know I'm biased towards the Outcasts + James (unless he stabs them in the back, which might happen), but she still has done plenty in that house to deserve hatred. OH, and America's Choice this week. Nope, no shitty "What household appliance would you like to send the houseguests?" question. Just like voting someone back in, we will have the power this week. The surprise will be revealed Thursday, and it sounds juicy. Can't wait to find out!!
Thursday, eh? Are there any suspisions and talk on what it could be? Last time people got it right, and we did get to vote someone back. What is it this time? Do we get to decide who HOH is? Or personally vote someone out? Or maybe we vote for one of the two people put up, and not the houseguests. What else could it possibly be, if the twist is "power in our hands" related? Man, I'm excited. This could potentially help the outcasts again, since they are favoured by the American public. (I find it hilarious that the friendship thinks they are better viewed sometimes, hehe).
PEACE, Mike.
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Tue Aug 23, 2005 10:23 pm |
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Mister Ecks
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MikeQ. wrote: Mr. X wrote: MikeQ. wrote: Janelle lost by FOUR fucking seconds. Geeeeeeeeeeeeeeze. And she lost because of Beau's floating thing, since it was tied so well, and she had to go down 3 times. Damnit. Beau.
And Wow, Beau and Ivette REALLY hate Rachel. What did Beau call her again? "Shitty grey" or something like that? lmao. And then Ivette was mocking her and everything. lol. Hilarious. I definately predict Rachel going now. Easily.
It's so depressing that Janelle only lost by 4 seconds. She was so disappointed in herself. Janelle is great. She is physically fit and smart. She excells in all competitions, and if this possible James/Janelle alliance works out, I'll be really happy. Infact, now that I think about it, if James and Janelle make it to the final 2, Janelle has a small chance of winning. She'll get Howie and Rachel's votes, plus possibly Maggie's, as she is not on the best of terms with James. Then she just needs one more, which she might squeeze if people are really adamant about James not winning.
PEACE, Mike. I didn't get to see the Ivette tirade yet (I'll watch it tomorrow, since I know mostly everything that happens), but from what I've read, it sounds 100% Ivette, and that's a bad thing. I know I'm biased towards the Outcasts + James (unless he stabs them in the back, which might happen), but she still has done plenty in that house to deserve hatred. OH, and America's Choice this week. Nope, no shitty "What household appliance would you like to send the houseguests?" question. Just like voting someone back in, we will have the power this week. The surprise will be revealed Thursday, and it sounds juicy. Can't wait to find out!! Thursday, eh? Are there any suspisions and talk on what it could be? Last time people got it right, and we did get to vote someone back. What is it this time? Do we get to decide who HOH is? Or personally vote someone out? Or maybe we vote for one of the two people put up, and not the houseguests. What else could it possibly be, if the twist is "power in our hands" related? Man, I'm excited. This could potentially help the outcasts again, since they are favoured by the American public. (I find it hilarious that the friendship thinks they are better viewed sometimes, hehe). PEACE, Mike.
Well, the voting ends, or the winner will be announced Tuesday (aftering voting since this Thursday), so... I'm not quite sure. Tuesday is Veto show, but the voting presumably starts on Thursday, so Veto voting would be pointless until at least after Saturday's show. And, voting for Veto winner would suck. I'll venture a guess and say that we will nominate two people, which might shoot a dagger in Maggie and Ivette's heart when they find out they're not America's Sweethearts, after finding out Cappy isn't God in the last America's Choice. It's probably the only plausible answer with that timeline (voting starts Thursday, ends Tuesday). I guess whoever wins the "HOH Comp." this week will be immune, unless they don't have the competition at all (another possibility).
Although, this also leads to a live show for Tuesday. Julie Chen obviously didn't want to do the last show live, but I guess since this will be a live Tuesday show, it might happen. This is all speculation on my part. I could be way off. I don't think they would leave the power of voting someone out in our hands, though.
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Tue Aug 23, 2005 10:35 pm |
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I wish America's Choice was who the audience wants evicted from the house.
I guess I'd say Ickette, but Ape, Haggie and Beau are all objectionable as well.
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Thu Aug 25, 2005 4:44 pm |
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Mister Ecks
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Libs wrote: I wish America's Choice was who the audience wants evicted from the house.
I guess I'd say Ickette, but Ape, Haggie and Beau are all objectionable as well.
I wouldn't be surprised to see that in the near future, but maybe not. Two America's Choice doesn't seem like much, so maybe they'll do three.
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Thu Aug 25, 2005 6:54 pm |
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MikeQ.
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Well, America's Choice ended up being nothing special at all. Meh.
No, I can't fucking believe April won. Arggghhh.
Now we pretty much know Janelle and Howie are going up. It's April. She hates them both, a lot.
James was doing well, and then messed up royally. I was hoping he would stick in, and then it wouldn't matter whether Janelle or James won, because both would put up the friendship. And yet again Janelle comes so close to winning HOH. So freaking close. Damnit.
The streak has been continued!!!!!!! AGAIN! Still nobody has won the HOH more than once. If this continues, it's James or Ivette who is winning next week.
PEACE, Mike.
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Thu Aug 25, 2005 9:02 pm |
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greasedlightning
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And after this week, if Janelle goes home, I will officially quit watching the big brother game.
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Thu Aug 25, 2005 9:13 pm |
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MikeQ.
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greasedlightning wrote: And after this week, if Janelle goes home, I will officially quit watching the big brother game.
Here's hoping there is a veto, and Janelle will win it. Or better yet, if James won it and took off Janelle, then a friendship member HAS to go up. Might give a temptation.
PEACE, Mike.
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Thu Aug 25, 2005 9:16 pm |
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MikeQ. wrote: greasedlightning wrote: And after this week, if Janelle goes home, I will officially quit watching the big brother game. Here's hoping there is a veto, and Janelle will win it. Or better yet, if James won it and took off Janelle, then a friendship member HAS to go up. Might give a temptation. PEACE, Mike.
I would LOVE that, but unfortunately, the numbers are just against them now, even if that did happen, April is the tiebreaker, as 4 people would be voting, 2-2. What would be IDEAL would be that if that was the case, for her to put up Ivette, as I think alot of tension would come out of that, and it could potentially break up the "friendship." Regardless, I think its very clear now that April, Beau, or Ivette are going to win the money. Maggie is going to be the first from the friendship to go I think, either her or Ivette. But what I *HOPE* they do is convince each other not to vote Janelle (ie each member of the friendship on their own), seeing that if one member of the friendship is against Janelle, they're likely to win against her. I'm getting very frustrated with this season, and want an AC of being able to choose the nominees. This is ridiculous, in the sense that the absolute worst players are going to win this game. And on a final note, WHAT WAS UP WITH IVETTE'S COMMENT TO RACHEL??????? She is the biggest hypocrite in the game. If a friendship member does win, I don't mind Maggie winning, I slightly don't mind Beau winning, I could even tolerate in another universe April winning, but Ivette is the 1 person out of the remaining 7 that I really don't want to win. She is a really mean spirited person, and I think is my least favorable player that's ever played Big Brother, because she brings nothing positive to it.
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Thu Aug 25, 2005 9:25 pm |
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MikeQ.
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It's possible Maggie will convince April to put up James, since Maggie has been complaining about not putting enough attention on James.
This whole situation just sucks though. Ivette and Maggie were knocked off on the very first question, and it was only James, Janelle and April left in the competition. So I thought James or Janelle had a great chance of winning, but April snuck up and won. Urggh.
PEACE, Mike.
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Thu Aug 25, 2005 9:44 pm |
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Libs
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God, stupid Ape.
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Thu Aug 25, 2005 9:57 pm |
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Libs
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Looks like Maggot and Ape are trying to come up with some sort of plan to backdoor James, which I hope happens so Howie and Janelle don't get tossed.
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Thu Aug 25, 2005 10:06 pm |
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MikeQ.
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Libs wrote: Looks like Maggot and Ape are trying to come up with some sort of plan to backdoor James, which I hope happens so Howie and Janelle don't get tossed.
Sweet. I just called it now in this thread. Maggie could potentially convince April to put up James. Maggie knows James is a direct threat to herself, and wants James out. April is alone without Jen, and could very well be easily persuaded. I don't see her listening to Ivette, because she dislikes Ivette.
PEACE, Mike.
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