Can anyone explain Howie's thought process other than he was pissed James tried to save himself and Sara last week?

I don't see what he gains, if the other side had won they would have put up James anyways, how freakin' stupid can you get? Do the other sides dirty work and break up your own team, great move idiot. The only way they get out of this is to try and make up, play it off like it was a warning to James and Sara then put up Ivette (I detest her though I will miss her annoying shrill voice) or Maggie (the obvious choice, I think that team falls apart once she is out).

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If the outcasts do change it around and put Maggie or Ivette up in James place, they will have redeemed themselves (they can make a deal with James/Sarah and tell them they won't vote Sarah out). The only problem is that they won't have enough votes to evict Maggie/Ivette. They'll only have James, Rachel, and Janelle vs. April, Jennifer, Maggie, Ivette, Beau. So essentially, the outcasts have completely screwed themselves over beyond any possible fixing.

PEACE, Mike

Guys, please try to remember about possible spoilers. Anything about the power of veto has not been aired on television yet! Thanks.

PEACE, Mike

Spoilers

James still won't go after them. He's was in the gym a few minutes ago trying to strike up an alliance with Janelle, offerring to be her new partner now that they're both partner-less. He says he still wants Maggie out because he thinks that J/H/R were jsut gullible to believe what the core said. He'll still stay with the core, and if Kaysar or Mike come back in, the numbers are still even. It's not that big of a deal yet. If Kaysar comes back in, he just needs to win HoH and save James and not put him up. James CAN'T go to the other side now, though, anyway because they all hate him, and he knows his talking won't save him now. Stayign with the outcasts is his only option to survive a few weeks. I don't think it's that serious.

Cool, you know better than I do, since you see the live feeds. If that's the case, then maybe things aren't as bad as I pictured.

Here's hoping Kaysar is definately the one who returns. With Big Brother, who knows what happens...

PEACE, Mike

I have no spoilers, the show has already aired. Can I not talk about things that happen on the show after the air date?

Has POV been done already? I was talking about Howie going up to James and making a deal before POV, like Kaysar did.

Howie is such a tool he is being played like the 'tard he is .

What a mess . They really need Kaysar's level head back in that house to realign the outcasts.

I am watching the live feed. Howie is the dumbest mf in the country.

Another possibility:

I think that his deal with Maggie might have to continue, in order for at least one week of support from both sides to vote off James and Sarah, so it's possible he might put up Jennifer or April, instead. But, I think that would still get Sarah evicted, because Maggie is very much anti-James, and Sarah will be caught in the crossfires. I think whatever happens, Sarah is gone, and it's going to be level next week, IF Kaysar/Michael come back and IF James realigns with the new (old) Soverign Five.

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Sounds cool. I hope you're right. Still, Kaysar really hates James now. If Kaysar returns to the house, it would take someone else to persuade him not to go after James, would it not? Or maybe he was just faking it in front of Maggie, but Kaysar doesn't trust James at all anymore. *end spoilers*

Kaysar I think is by now guaranteed to come back. Here's a poll from a big brother website:

Who do you want to vote back into the Big Brother House?
Ashlea (3 votes) 0.05%
Michael (297 votes) 5.11%
Eric (822 votes) 14.13%
Kaysar (4695 votes) 80.71%
(Total Votes: 5817 )

PEACE, Mike

What you're saying is making a whole lot of sense to me, and it makes me feel secure with what I'm seeing. While Howie made one of the biggest mistakes of the game so far, I still like him. And, I understand where he's coming from, considering James was ready to vote off Rachel or Howie if the Friendship (Of Losers) sided with him.

Poor Ashlea

I thought Ashlea wasn't allowed back? And why is Eric doing better than Michael?

Oh yeah, forgot about Ashlea's escape.

I'm guessing Michael's losing a lot of his votes to Kaysar.

But what's sad is the the majority of the people voting for Kaysar on the big brother websites (Reality BBQ for instance) is because they want him in because he's cute. I think that's pathetic.

Out of the three of them, the only one who really DESERVES to go back in is Michael. He got an unfair shot, a very raw deal. He didn't even get a chance to play the game. Kaysar had his chance, and he fucked it up himself, same for Eric. Michael is truly the only one who deserves the opporitunity to go back in. It's sad that he probably won't.

I agree, but I think he would be dead meat if he came back, because they had been manipulated into thinking he was something he wasn't. He also compounded the problem by freaking out. I watched the House Calls w/Kaysar, and Kaysar stated Michael is used to being well liked. When he was treated that way, he had no idea how to react, so he lashed out. I think he got screwed on the show and now in the voting, but it is most likely for the best if Kaysar comes back, because I think he has the best chance to survive. Well, Eric could make final 2 becuase the sheep worship their Jim Jones, but I detest him

Spoilers: I don't know if these are spoilers but I'll play it safe. Howie is just immensely stupid for trusting Maggie and "the Friendship". Especially, if he thought Eric had a good chance of coming back in the house. He bought one week if the Friendship won next week. He gets nothing if they don't. If Eric had come back, then it would be 6 v. 3. They were going to put up James anyways and probably Sara (just to make sure if he won veto he would be weakened). He does the dirty work and is now seen as the backstabbing moronic bitch that he is. He could have gotten rid of one of the Friendship and perhaps even Maggie and then taken out James at a later date when he had the numbers (RJH v. SJ), and maybe with one of the weaklings left like Beau or Jen (she could surpise she is just invisible, even on the web feed) if he was nervous about J or S winning when it was down to the five. I think James is a weasil and I have no idea for sure if he was truly selling out H & R (IMHO, watching his M.O. he was trying to). However, even if he was that was what that had agreed to, they could say anything to the other side and even if his intention was a sellout, it made the most sense. Maggie isn't the moron that Howie is, he knew he couldn't persuade her to dump one of her side.

Howie should have used that empty space between his ears.


Who are the biggest liars and tattle tales? Ivette, Beau, April, and Jen. They were the only ones stupid and dishonest enough to continue to lie about having partners until Julie Chen announced everyone had a partner. So now he believes them and takes out one of his allies and mortally wounds the other. Howie did the same thing James did with Kaysar in pushing Eric out. That is part of the game save your hide at the expense of others. I don't think this group is in good shape even if Kaysar or Michael come back, because Howie has shown what a backstabber he is and he can't handle HOH. Theoretically, James attempted to put up H & R, when the other side was in control. Howie actually did, and before he did the heavy lifting of taking out the ones he needs to take care of first. If I was Janelle or Kaysar, I would hate to have trust H & R and now you have to deal with a pissed off James, who was going to be a handful before he was backstabbed. I think this group is made up of too many individuals and for all their smarts in certain areas their game smarts are pathetic. I think the fellowhipped are a bunch of sheep and stupid (in comparison to the other group, everyone seems relatively smart on the show, but amazingly shallow other than Kaysar and Janelle), but for game purposes they are much better players.

Two more things in defense of James and Sara:

1. James was the only one that voted for Kaysar even though I know he thought he was the bigger threat. Howie and Rachel didn't. This was the second clue that Howie was a bastabbing biatch.

2. They helped Bubble Boy win HOH last week by taking out the other team Sarah is pretty smart and she could have beaten Howie, but I think she didn't care once she thought the team was safe. If they were so out to get H & R they could have taken them out.

Oh, and I thought BB over emphasized how much Howie was fixated on boobs, but actually they didn't capture how juvenile and immature the shit is. I don't know how the women put up with his crap. It is not surprising he is still single (seeing how he handled HOH he is probably a premature ejaculator too). I hate Howie the most on the show, I hope he gets booted soon.

All night Howie kept moaning about how James destroyed the group when the idiot couldn't grasp that he himself had killed it (or perhaps it was projection). Then he kept going on and on telling himself and Janelle he did the right thing, that he had mistakes in the past, he was his own man and all those other lies we tell ourselves when we can't admit we fucked up. Did I mention I hate him

Unless in Howie's Machivelian plan 9 (which is what all this might be, he just wanted the pretext to take out James), he thinks H/R/J can run the table on the HOH, but considering how many times they have f#@$#@ up easy events like that shuffleboard/lawn bowling thing, I think again he has overestimated himself. I mean I could have done that drunk better than they did and they had practiced the night before. That is why I think Howie is a moron, if he really was going to honor the pact until the final six then he screwed himself. However, if his plan was to take out James at his first opportunity he screwed himself too, because I don't think his team can run the tables like he thinks, they certainly haven't been able to do it so far, and this week it will be 5 v. 3 unless the new person is allowed to compete and that is assuming James is still working for the team which I don't know if he is he may just want to fuck Howie and Rachel for what they did to him and screw the game, it is too hard for him to win it anyways why not take the bastards out. I would do it, but thats just how I roll being the vindictive SOB I am.

I guess what I am trying to state is that in tournement like this you need to use strategy and not always do what seems right at the moment. For example I play Texas Hold'em, if I am holding AA and am shortstacked in a tournement and I have to go all in against five other players who are already all in, I might considering folding them even though I have the best hand and I am the favorite out of the six. There is a good chance I will win, but the most likely scenerio against five other players is that one of the others will catch enough cards to beat me I would be about a 40% to win and 60% to lose, good pot odds but perhaps not worth going out under certain circumstances. Four other players will be going out and I can pick another time when they odds are more in my favor. I might not get another opportunity like it, but the odds are I have more to gain by biding my time.

Ok, I have obsessed way too much over the latest events I need to go shoot myself.

The Veto Ceremony is over. Scroll down and highlight to find out the results.

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James, of course, used the Power of the Veto on himself, leaving Sarah on her own. Howie, as Head of Household, put up Ivette in James' place. This is fairly good news, because Maggie and Ivette are the two that need to go. But, I'm highly doubtful that Ivette is going to be evicted over Sarah. It's going to be a 4-3 vote, unless Howie, James, Rachel or Janelle somehow convince any or all of the Friendship (of Losers), such as Beau, April, Jennifer or Maggie, to vote off Ivette. I don't see it happenin', so bye bye Sarah.

Man, they just need one extra vote. I think they should honestly try and work April or Jennifer. I know April likes Maggie and Cappy, but I've seen April speak anything "good" about Ivette. Ivette is always a big mouth, with everyone, so it's possible everyone is slightly repulsed by her. Jennifer, if given a deal to be safe for weeks or something, my switch over. Who knows. I just think they need to do something.

Mdana, I think you are overreacting a lot, especially with James apparent hatred. Others, who have the live feeds, have told me that James is still very much with the outcasts, because that's the only people he can go to.

PEACE, Mike

That's what I keep thinking! Just one more vote. Maggie and Beau obviously won't sway, but April and Jennifer? They're floaters, and someone should tell them that once the big guns are taken care of, they're next. Maybe someone should make a deal that they won't be put up for the next week or something. It's got to be something smart, so they know that they'll be safe without Ivette.

As for mdana, I understand where he's coming from, but I also understand Howie's decision. It's easy for us to be pissed off about a decision made, but they don't see what everyone else says or does like we do.

Marc Berman, The Programming Insider on Mediaweek.com, thinks this season of Big Brother is disappointing, because of the lack of older houseguests. Now, I really don't like Berman very much when it comes to shoving an opinion down a reader's throat, but that's just stupid. Sure, older houseguests would have been nice, but I think this might be the best season yet, and I look forward to EVERY episode, as opposed to previous years. I don't think it can get better than this, and it has nothing to do with the lack of older houseguests.

Spoilers-But it doesn't make any sense if you know everything or if you just know the bits and pieces like the contestants. IMHO Howie thinks Eric is coming back, because he probably assumes America loves the firefighter and father of 2. So, he they would have 4 v. 6 with James being more of wildcard than he previously was. If Howie believed everything the Friendship told him and he was really concerned about James (which he should be) it still made no sense to take him out this early, because it weakens the team that so far has not shown itself to be as strong as it should be on paper. I don't think they can flip anyone on the other team and Jen, Beau, and April know that Maggie and Ivette are the targets on their team so they don't have to make any deals for another few weeks.

This is why it is mistake no matter what Howie's reasoning:

1. HOH this week is 5 v. 3, it could have been 4 v. 4
2. If Eric comes back it is 6 v. 4, when it could have been 5 v. 5.
3. If Kaysar or Michael come back it will be 5 v. 5, when it could have been 4 v. 6 and Howie would have had the numbers to push out James and Sarah in the coming weeks.
4. The deal he struck with Maggie's team is worthless, they would have done the same thing without the deal it just saved Maggie's team from losing players.
5. Howie looks like a backstabber and is seen of as more of a threat by all the other players, pushing Janelle closer to Kaysar and alienating Howie and Rachel within their own group. Why pull this stunt this early when the odds were overwhelming someone else could have done it for you and you can backstab someone later when it is more devasting, and the repurcussions to yourself and team are inconsequential.
6. If James had been put on the block later the chance there was no POV that week would have been much greater, Howie knew that if he put up James and James won veto the whole gamble would have been basically for naught.

This is a classic example of a stupid gamble, very little if any reward at the risk of losing exponentially more. Basically betting $100 to win $200 when the odds are 1/10 of winning.

If Kaysar comes back I think he allies w/James and kills H & R, because I think Janelle thinks Howie was an idiot in how he handled HOH. It also shows that Howie can't be trusted (doublecrossed Eric and James and voted out Kaysar).

Honestly, the more I watch the live feeds and the shows I have seen, I think Howie thought being the lone male left (if he had been succesful in booting James and Beau doesn't really count as he has shown nothing in the HOH comps.) he could win most of the HOH's or at least his team could. I think he is wrong on this count and the other team having more players helps them overcome their weaknesses as individual players. I think Howie has been trying to take out all the strong players since the beginning:

1. He betrayed Eric
2. He voted out Kaysar (I never bought his allegiance to Kaysar, he was just using the team to coast behind, Rachel was using it because she didn't see any other options)
3. Then he tried to take out James way too early in the game which is a smart move (if played at the right time), but he shot his wad and it will cost him any chance of winning.

I thought Howie was smarter than he has shown. He either succumbed to letting his emotions rule his game or he tried to kill someone and failed. If you try and kill someone you have to take them out the first time, because most likely you won't get another chance. I was rooting for him and thought he was much smarter than he was letting on (and he is in some respects). However, he took a gamble which I think is abolutely unnecessary and had very little benefit even if excuted properly, lost and now he will pay.

I still like Janelle's and Kaysar's chances, but I think Howie really hurt the team. Also, I am becoming convinced the super egos can work as a team. They all think they are smarter than each other, but they continue to sabotage themselves.

One last thought, I don't know what happens when there is a tie (does HOH get to break it)? If Howie made a deal with Jen for food this week and immunity in the coming weeks (basically she will be last of the friendship eliminated), and then they vote out Ivette. I would be impressed because it lays down the law to James and Sara not to sell out the team in negotiations, without sacrificing the team. That would have a great move on Howie's part. I doubt he did it but it would have made great TV and a really good move in enforcing loyalty to the sovreign.

Awesome speculation!!

Okay, I've read that both April and Jenn are considering voting out Ivette instead of Sarah, but they are very wishy-washy on it. Something about what will happen to Ivette if Eric comes back. They finally told Maggie about it, but I'm not sure how she reacted. This would be fucking awesome if it happens!! Might not be likely, but who knows.

That's interesting because I was just reading from a person elsewhere who is convinced that Jennifer and April have jumped sides to Janelle and that Ivette is definately gone. I really hope this is true. Here is his post:

I don't think it was a stupid move, because Sarah and James are now on the outside from everyone and April and Jen have jumped ship to Janelle, Howie and Rachel (for this week at least) because with James winning the power of veto and taking himself off now Ivette is up and they all are voting out Ivette (they think she is a bigger threat and they think that she has something with James like Danielle and Jason in Big Brother 3)

Howie got lucky but it really was a move that will help him, which all seemed to happen by chance. He gained the entire houses respect, he isolated James and Sarah, Kaysar is coming back making the fab four (Janelle, Kaysar, Howie and Rachel) stronger than any alliance in the house and Ivette is going home!

I think the whole house will unite to get out James and Sarah the next two weeks, really Janelle is looking really strong for making it to the end, which makes me really happy so no complaints here. She's the only one this season I would like to see on an all star season.

PEACE, Mike