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http://www.empireonline.co.uk/site/news ... s_id=16563

Looks like pre-production was done, script done, actors lined up?

December 23rd release date at this point.

No official title, although Vengeance will NOT be the final one (confirmed).

Cast thus far:

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0408306/

Eric Bana (the Hulk, and the guy in Troy)
Daniel Craig (the scary guy in Road to Perdition and the boyfriend in Tomb Raider! rawr!)
Marie-Josée Croze (Barbarian Invasions and Ararat)


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So the question is, will it follow the path of Schindler's List? Or will it follow the path of Amistad? I say the former.

Go Spielberg. =D>


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Stolen from Oscarwatch:

http://www.dreamworksfansite.com/fullstory.php?id=2259

Liam Neeson is Abe Lincoln. Excellent.

Spielberg better be done with the Munich movie by January.


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Geoffrey Rush has joined the cast. Shine is one my top films of all-time.

http://www.comingsoon.net/news.php?id=10061


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loyalfromlondon wrote:
Geoffrey Rush has joined the cast. Shine is one my top films of all-time.

http://www.comingsoon.net/news.php?id=10061


ooohh... this oughta be excellent!

Are they rushing this so it can be included for next year's Oscars?

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loyalfromlondon wrote:
Geoffrey Rush has joined the cast. Shine is one my top films of all-time.

http://www.comingsoon.net/news.php?id=10061


ooohh... this oughta be excellent!

Are they rushing this so it can be included for next year's Oscars?


Spielberg doesn't rush. :razz:

The two in one year has been done 3 times before by Spielberg.


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loyalfromlondon wrote:
Valley Guy 3.0 wrote:
loyalfromlondon wrote:
Geoffrey Rush has joined the cast. Shine is one my top films of all-time.

http://www.comingsoon.net/news.php?id=10061


ooohh... this oughta be excellent!

Are they rushing this so it can be included for next year's Oscars?


Spielberg doesn't rush. :razz:

The two in one year has been done 3 times before by Spielberg.


Hehe. :smile:

This could very well be the Schindler-Jurassic combo at the Oscars - Vengeance, top awards and WOTW for technicals.

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Valley Guy 3.0 wrote:
loyalfromlondon wrote:
Valley Guy 3.0 wrote:
loyalfromlondon wrote:
Geoffrey Rush has joined the cast. Shine is one my top films of all-time.

http://www.comingsoon.net/news.php?id=10061


ooohh... this oughta be excellent!

Are they rushing this so it can be included for next year's Oscars?


Spielberg doesn't rush. :razz:

The two in one year has been done 3 times before by Spielberg.


Hehe. :smile:

This could very well be the Schindler-Jurassic combo at the Oscars - Vengeance, top awards and WOTW for technicals.


Or Amistad-Lost World. Or Minority Report-Catch Me If You Can.


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I think they are rushing it. And in fact War of the Worlds was rushed too. Interesting to see how they will get played out.

Wasn't Natalie Portman in Vengeance? Which movie did she shave her head for?

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Raffiki wrote:
I think they are rushing it. And in fact War of the Worlds was rushed too. Interesting to see how they will get played out.

Wasn't Natalie Portman in Vengeance? Which movie did she shave her head for?


It was for V for Vendetta.


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I think they are rushing it. And in fact War of the Worlds was rushed too.

These projects had a taught production period, but there is no evidence that these productions are "rushed".


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Ah, sorry, I didn't know about this thread. Thanks for directing me to it loyal.


Ok, well, there's some extra news Link Here


I'm still clueless, but I'm sure they'll aim for it to be as nonpartisan as possible.

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Filming has begun


http://www.nytimes.com/2005/07/01/movie ... nted=print

July 1, 2005
Next: Spielberg's Biggest Gamble
By DAVID M. HALBFINGER

LOS ANGELES, June 30 - On Wednesday, Steven Spielberg's apocalyptic thriller "War of the Worlds" invaded movie theaters worldwide. But the director had already moved on. That night in Malta, Mr. Spielberg quietly began filming the most politically charged project he has yet attempted: the tale of a secret Mossad hit squad ordered to assassinate Palestinian terrorists after the massacre of Israeli athletes at the 1972 Olympics in Munich.

Mr. Spielberg has taken risks before: he said he feared being seen as trivializing the Holocaust when he directed "Schindler's List" in 1993, at a time when he was best known for blockbuster fantasies like "E.T.: The Extra-Terrestrial" and "Raiders of the Lost Ark." And with "Saving Private Ryan," he gambled successfully on audiences' tolerance for prolonged and bloody combat scenes.

But with the as-yet-untitled Munich film, already scheduled for Oscar-season release by Universal Pictures on Dec. 23, Mr. Spielberg is tackling material delicate enough that he and his advisers are concerned about adverse effects on matters as weighty as the Israeli-Palestinian peace process if his project is mishandled - or misconstrued in the public mind.

Indeed, the movie's terrain is so packed with potential land mines that, associates say, Mr. Spielberg has sought counsel from advisers ranging from his own rabbi to the former American diplomat Dennis Ross, who in turn has alerted Israeli government officials to the film's thrust. Mr. Spielberg has also shown the script to Mr. Ross's old boss, former President Bill Clinton. Mr. Clinton's aides said Mr. Spielberg reached out to him first more than a year ago and again as recently as Tuesday. Mr. Spielberg is also being advised by Mike McCurry, Mr. Clinton's White House spokesman, and Allan Mayer, a Hollywood spokesman who specializes in crisis communications.

The film, which is being written by the playwright Tony Kushner - it is his first feature screenplay - begins with the killing of 11 Israeli athletes in Munich. But it focuses on the Israeli retaliation: the assassinations, ordered by Prime Minister Golda Meir, of Palestinians identified by Israeli intelligence as terrorists, including some who were not directly implicated in the Olympic massacre. By highlighting such a morally vexing and endlessly debated chapter in Israeli history - one that introduced the still-controversial Israeli tactic now known as targeted killings - Mr. Spielberg could jeopardize his tremendous stature among Jews both in the United States and in Israel.

He earned that prestige largely for his treatment of the Holocaust in "Schindler's List" and for his philanthropic efforts, through the Shoah Foundation, to preserve testimonies of survivors of the concentration camps. Until now, though, he has been relatively quiet on Middle East politics compared with more vocal American supporters of Israel.

Making matters more complicated, an important source for Mr. Spielberg's narrative is a 1984 book by George Jonas, "Vengeance," based largely on the account of a purported member of the Mossad's assassination team, whose veracity was later widely called into question.

Friends of Mr. Spielberg said he was keenly aware that admirers of his Holocaust work could misunderstand his new film and regard it as hurtful to Israel. And they noted that he had never before courted controversy so openly. "A lot of people around him never thought he'd make the movie," said one associate, who asked not to be identified, in keeping with Mr. Spielberg's preference for secrecy.

Typically, Mr. Spielberg keeps a tight lid on information about coming projects, and he has been especially careful to do so this time. He has revealed that the film will star Eric Bana as the lead Israeli assassin, along with Daniel Craig, Geoffrey Rush, Mathieu Kassovitz, Hanns Zischler and Ciaran Hinds. The director released a short statement simultaneously this week to The New York Times, the Israeli newspaper Ma'ariv and the Arab television network Al Arabiya, but he turned down requests for an interview and declined through a spokesman to answer written questions.

In the statement, Mr. Spielberg called the Munich attack - which was carried out by Black September, an arm of the P.L.O.'s Fatah organization - and the Israeli response "a defining moment in the modern history of the Middle East."

Mr. Spielberg's interest in the question of a civilized nation's proper response to terrorism deepened, aides said, after the 9/11 attacks, as Americans were grappling for the first time with similar issues - for instance, in each new lethal strike on a suspected terrorist leader by a C.I.A. Predator drone aircraft. In Mr. Kushner's script, people who have read it say, the Israeli assassins find themselves struggling to understand how their targets were chosen, whether they belonged on the hit list and, eventually, what, if anything, their killing would accomplish.

"What comes through here is the human dimension," said Mr. Ross, formerly the Middle East envoy for Mr. Clinton, who has advised the filmmakers on the screenplay and helped Mr. Spielberg reach out to officials in the region. "You're contending with an enormously difficult set of challenges when you have to respond to a horrific act of terror. Not to respond sends a signal that actions are rewarded and the perpetrators can get away with it. But you have to take into account that your response may not achieve what you wish to achieve, and that it may have consequences for people in the mission."

Mr. Spielberg's statement indicated that, despite the implications for other conflicts, his movie - to be shot in Malta, Budapest and New York - was aimed squarely at the Israeli-Palestinian divide.

"Viewing Israel's response to Munich through the eyes of the men who were sent to avenge that tragedy adds a human dimension to a horrific episode that we usually think about only in political or military terms," he said. "By experiencing how the implacable resolve of these men to succeed in their mission slowly gave way to troubling doubts about what they were doing, I think we can learn something important about the tragic standoff we find ourselves in today."

That Mr. Spielberg has a daunting task ahead - and the degree to which his film will be scrutinized, interpreted and debated - can be seen in the way a few prominent Israelis responded to the mere mention of doubts on the part of the assassins.

"I don't know how many of them actually had 'troubling doubts' about what they were doing," said Michael B. Oren, the historian and author of "Six Days of War." "It's become a stereotype, the guilt-ridden Mossad hit man. You never see guilt-ridden hit men in any other ethnicity. Somehow it's only the Jews. I don't see Dirty Harry feeling guilt-ridden. It's the flip side of the rationally motivated Palestinian terrorist: you can't have a Jew going to exact vengeance and not feel guilt-ridden about it, and you can't have a Palestinian who's operating out of pure evil - it's got to be the result of some trauma."

And Efraim Halevy, a veteran Mossad agent who headed the organization, Israel's intelligence agency, from 1998 to 2002, warned against reading too much into the misgivings of Israel's hit men.

"I know some of the people who were involved," he said. "Maybe people have doubts. If they have doubts, I think it's to their credit. It's not an easy thing to do. But it doesn't mean it's wrong. I'd be very happy to see the doubts on the other side, the fierce debates going on about whether they should or should not do it."

Yet Mr. Spielberg's advisers say he is studiously avoiding the most glaring potential trap: drawing a moral equivalency between the Palestinian attack and the Israeli retaliation.

While people who have read various versions of the script praised Mr. Kushner, the author of "Angels in America" and "Homebody/Kabul," for humanizing the film's hunted Palestinians and giving a fuller sense of their motivation, they said the terrorists would hold little claim to the audience's sympathies. One scene added by Mr. Kushner, who was commissioned last year to rework an earlier draft by the writer Eric Roth, places an Israeli assassin, posing as a terrorist sympathizer, at a safe house where he listens as Palestinians give voice to their anger but also to their hatred of Jews, two people connected with the film said.

Moreover, Mr. Spielberg is making sure to provide enough historical context to explain what impelled Israel to make killers of its sons, as Golda Meir was said to have lamented at the time. "It's easy to look back at historic events with the benefit of hindsight," he said in his statement. "What's not so easy is to try to see things as they must have looked to people at the time."

Mr. Spielberg's movie will not be the first dramatic telling of this story. In 1986, HBO adapted Mr. Jonas's book as a television movie, "Sword of Gideon," starring Steven Bauer as the lead assassin, "Avner," along with Rod Steiger and Colleen Dewhurst. Mr. Spielberg became interested more recently, after learning that Barry Mendel, the producer of "The Sixth Sense" and several Wes Anderson films, including last year's "Life Aquatic With Steve Zissou," had acquired the feature rights to the book for Universal several years ago.

Anticipating questions about the authenticity of the book's source, Mr. Spielberg has sought to distance the movie from "Vengeance," insisting in his statement that the film is based on multiple sources, "including the recollections of some who participated in the events themselves." But one of them, people involved in the film confirmed, is Juval Aviv, a New York-based security consultant identified years ago as Mr. Jonas's Avner character, whose claims to a career in the Mossad have been disputed by experts on Israeli intelligence. Mr. Aviv did not respond to phone and e-mail messages.

Mr. Spielberg originally announced that he would begin production last summer of the script by Mr. Roth, the writer of "Forrest Gump" and "The Insider," but hired Mr. Kushner to humanize what he felt was too procedural a thriller in Mr. Roth's telling, people familiar with both scripts said.

In Mr. Roth's script, for instance, the Munich killings dominated the first 15 minutes of the movie. Mr. Spielberg, the readers said, was still weighing how to depict the massacre without minimizing its power, but also without overpowering the audience.


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Is Eric Bana still the lead?


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It's being rushed, but it should be good. Can't wait. =D>


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Actor says Spielberg spy thriller good for Israel

By Dan Williams Mon Jul 11, 7:53 AM ET

JERUSALEM (Reuters) - An Israeli actress cast in
Steven Spielberg's controversial new film about her country's counter-terrorism tactics said on Monday the Hollywood director intended to improve the image of the Jewish state.
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Gila Almagor, the grande dame of Israeli drama, confirmed reports that the thriller is based on "Vengeance," a book about the Mossad intelligence service's assassination of Palestinian guerrilla chiefs in the 1970s that has been widely discredited.

That mission was mounted to avenge 11 Israeli athletes seized by Palestinian gunmen at the 1972 Munich Olympics and killed during a botched rescue effort. Several Mossad veterans have come out of the cold to question Spielberg's research.

But Almagor, who has been cast as the mother of a Mossad hit-man, called such quibbles "inappropriate, simply weird."

"It is so important for him (Spielberg) that the film do what it should do for
Israel," she said in a radio interview.

Asked if this meant the thriller would help Israel's image, Almagor said: "I believe that is the intention."

At least one of Almagor's fellow cast members has disagreed with her take on the screenplay for Spielberg's film.

"It's about how vengeance doesn't ... work -- blood breeds blood," actor
Daniel Craig told entertainment magazine Empire.

Spielberg, who is Jewish, is best known in Israel for his Holocaust epic "Schindler's List," which ends with Nazi death camp survivors starting new lives in the nascent Jewish state.

He has vowed the latest film will be sensitive. "Viewing Israel's response to Munich through the eyes of the men who were sent to avenge that tragedy adds a human dimension to a horrific episode that we usually think about only in political or military terms," Spielberg said in a statement.

Such sentiments raise eyebrows among Israeli security veterans who see the reprisals policy as best left undiscussed.

Israel has never admitted responsibility for the shootings, explosive booby-traps and commando raids that killed 10 Palestinians linked to the attack in Munich's Olympic Village.

The campaign included the 1973 killing in Norway of a Moroccan waiter mistaken for a wanted Palestinian guerrilla. Six members of the Israeli hit-team were prosecuted for murder.

According to "Vengeance," Israel left several of its agents to be hunted down and killed by Palestinians -- an account not borne out by news reports nor the records of the Norway trial.

Author George Jonas said the book was based on recollections of an Israeli purporting to be a former Mossad assassin and that "certain details of the story were incapable of being verified."

Zvi Zamir, who headed Mossad in the 1970s, broke his silence upon hearing that the Spielberg film draws on "Vengeance."

"I am surprised that a director like him has chosen, out of all the sources, to rely on this particular book," retired spymaster Zvi Zamir told Israeli newspaper Haaretz last week.

Israel still has a policy of tracking and killing Islamic militants suspected of planning suicide attacks -- a feature of the Palestinian revolt that erupted in the occupied
West Bank and
Gaza Strip in 2000. But it has suspended such operations since a shaky ceasefire with militants took hold in February.

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Cool,this film is going to be great!


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This one's going to reach The Passion's and F 9/11's controversy levels.

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But it's Spielberg. When was the last time a Spielberg film was controversial?

I'm sure the film will end up being incredibly politically correct, which might actually be worse.

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But it's Spielberg. When was the last time a Spielberg film was controversial?

I'm sure the film will end up being incredibly politically correct, which might actually be worse.


This one will be. I see no way around it. It's a controversal movie with a controversal issue. I mean, I am sure you know everything about that incident and how it was handled by the Mossad afterwards, Box. That is impossible to not be controversal.

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Maybe I'm just hoping too hard that it won't be.



For once, I would like a positive film about Germany. But that seems like a preposterous idea right now.

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Maybe I'm just hoping too hard that it won't be.



For once, I would like a positive film about Germany. But that seems like a preposterous idea right now.


A positive film about Germany during WWII?

:lol:

Yeah, I can just imagine it:

The hard-working German nation defeats the evil Polish and Jewish oppressors in an enduring battle and the movie ends with a triumphant march in the streets of Paris...

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I meant before World War 2. There are 2,000 years of history there.


Anyways, who cares. That's beside the matter.

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The hard-working German nation defeats the evil Polish and Jewish oppressors in an enduring battle and the movie ends with a triumphant march in the streets of Paris...


Wholesome family entertainment.

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The hard-working German nation defeats the evil Polish and Jewish oppressors in an enduring battle and the movie ends with a triumphant march in the streets of Paris...


Wholesome family entertainment.


I can just see the merchandising of this one. Nazi soldiers action figures with different armor and weapons, the Jewish villains with the yellow star mark as their evil symbol and Hitler, the hero, with a button to press so you can here his coolest lines from the movie:

"Germany is awaken!"

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