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If/when Mccain/Guiliani run for the presidency they will crush the competition. Even if it is against Obama. The US isn't ready for a minority to be president.

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Guys!!!

Don't worry about the exit polls, they are meaningless.

All the people voting for bush are still at work, while all the homeless and unemployed who are voting for kerry literally have nothing better to do!

College students who vote also tend to vote early.

From the spin master, I am signing off.

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Good call, Eagle.

By the way, what are your thoughts on Steelers/Eagles?

Must be tought being an Eagle fan in Pittsburgh now, huh?


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Maybe you all can help me, But i really dont understand how the majority of America, can support someone who wants to take rights away from people, and wants to supress people...

I dunno.

It's good that a person like that did not run for the elction ;-)




Actually...they did :wink:

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Krem wrote:
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Guys!!!

Don't worry about the exit polls, they are meaningless.

All the people voting for bush are still at work, while all the homeless and unemployed who are voting for kerry literally have nothing better to do!

College students who vote also tend to vote early.

From the spin master, I am signing off.

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The voice of reason was heard early!

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Good call, Eagle.

By the way, what are your thoughts on Steelers/Eagles?

Must be tought being an Eagle fan in Pittsburgh now, huh?


I was thinking the same thing while I was doing my picks this week.


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Krem wrote:
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Maybe you all can help me, But i really dont understand how the majority of America, can support someone who wants to take rights away from people, and wants to supress people...

I dunno.

It's good that a person like that did not run for the elction ;-)




Actually...they did :wink:

Not for the president, fo' sure! Unless you're implying that John Kerry's lack of opposition to on-demand abortion implies that he's into denying unborn babies rights. I won't necessarily agree on that, but point taken.


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ChipMunky wrote:
If/when Mccain/Guiliani run for the presidency they will crush the competition. Even if it is against Obama. The US isn't ready for a minority to be president.


Disagree there. I think a Edwards/Obama ticket would win.....

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If/when Mccain/Guiliani run for the presidency they will crush the competition. Even if it is against Obama. The US isn't ready for a minority to be president.


Disagree there. I think a Edwards/Obama ticket would win.....

Just like you thought Kerry/Edwards would get 300+ electoral votes ;-)


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I'm a big supporter for seeing what a women can bring to the table as President of the United States and with that having been said, I see Hillary Clinton defeating Rudolph Gulliani in 2008 if for the mere fact that sooner or later, will see a Women President before we see a Black President(And please: Don't pull a Rotten Tomatoes on me and say that's a racist comment because it clearly isn't, but more of a realistic look at how our World really is)..

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First off,

I see a woman VP and a Black VP before there is ever a woman or black president.

Secondly,

I think McCain is the President in 2008

And Finally,

It is gonna be a great week to be an Eagles fan ... ESPECIALLY in Pittsburgh.

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Krem wrote:
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ChipMunky wrote:
If/when Mccain/Guiliani run for the presidency they will crush the competition. Even if it is against Obama. The US isn't ready for a minority to be president.


Disagree there. I think a Edwards/Obama ticket would win.....

Just like you thought Kerry/Edwards would get 300+ electoral votes ;-)


I actaully said that I thought they would get 279.

Anyway, I think a Edwards/Obama ticket would do great. Can anyone tell me why this would not work? Its a Southern Democrat who would get the minority vote and African Americans to register like crazy .

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I myself would vote for McCain. He is the one person, the only one at the moment IMO, who could do all this magic "healing" that I'm hearing from the news. Remember a lot of those Kerry votes were really ABB.

McCain/Powell vs. Edwards/Obama, now that would be interesting, but not close.

BTW, does anybody know what Kerry is going to do now?
Of all of Kerry's concession speech, there was something that gave me a bit of hope, and appeared to me to be the most heartfelt thing he's said in the entirety of his campaign. He said that campaigning across the country really made him "know" America better, and to love America more. I wonder if that's a portent. Kerry still has four years of Senate left. (Edwards sacrificed his seat. :( ) Will Kerry take all that new-found love for America and use it to work for his campaign promises from the Floor instead of the Oval Office? Will he take all that Foreign diplomacy that he promised and use it to reach across the aisle and build a coalition in the Senate? Althougth the Senate is Republican, the middle is pretty malleable. If Kerry really wanted a stronger American, he still has plenty of clout to start on it.

Or will Kerry go back to being an "also-voted?" :mad:

I think we will find out VERY quickly, when the Dem Caucus chooses their new Senate Minority leader.


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John McCain will be 72 in 2008. I hope he gets the nomination, I'd like the Republicans to run a fossil against a more youthful democrat.

By contrast Reagan was only 69 in 1980 and at the time he was considered borderline too old.


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Archie Gates wrote:
John McCain will be 72 in 2008. I hope he gets the nomination, I'd like the Republicans to run a fossil against a more youthful democrat.

By contrast Reagan was only 69 in 1980 and at the time he was considered borderline too old.


And yet, if he faces a female or an African-American candidate, he'll win.

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Dr. Lecter wrote:
Archie Gates wrote:
John McCain will be 72 in 2008. I hope he gets the nomination, I'd like the Republicans to run a fossil against a more youthful democrat.

By contrast Reagan was only 69 in 1980 and at the time he was considered borderline too old.


And yet, if he faces a female or an African-American candidate, he'll win.

True but that won't happen so it's a non issue.


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I actaully said that I thought they would get 279.

Anyway, I think a Edwards/Obama ticket would do great. Can anyone tell me why this would not work? Its a Southern Democrat who would get the minority vote and African Americans to register like crazy .


Signore! Something tells me you missed my last post. Obama is a first term senator. Senate terms are 6 years, there is no way in hell he can run for office in just four. He needs to finish at least one term, and if we wait until his senate terms match up with Presidential election ones, we'll be biting our nails in eager anticipation for the next 12 years. I don't see that happeneing though. All of us Obama fans, and there are many, (DNC was damn smart to make him Keynote speaker) are going to have to hold on until 2012. But it depends who gets elected to office in '08. 2016 is not out of the question unfortunately.

But I'm glad you know him and like him so well already, since I know you're not from Illinois, so probably had not heard of him prior to this election. I spent primary elections walking around neighborhoods I probably shouldn't have been walking around alone in trying to make sure everyone had turned out to vote. There was an Obama sign in every yard. That is Cook County, which is predominantly Democrat. One of my bosses had to go on a trip through Southern Illinois, and was outright shocked at how typical yards that housed Bush/Cheney, republican governor, republican mayor, and republican district court judge signs *still* had an Obama sign proudly displayed as well. That is rare. This is a man who manged to bridge the noticably deep rift between Illinois urban Northeast and Illinois rural southern areas. 70+% victory is no small thing for a first time candidate, especially when he is first generation African and went received an education in New England. He is going to great things and I hope you continue to speak enthusiastically about him at every opportunity between now and his perceived eventual Presidential bid. Even if he doesn't run for president, you should keep speaking about men such as Obama so that people outside of Illinois learn of him.

BTW, keep your eyes on Jarrett Barrios from Massachusetts as well.

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Archie Gates wrote:
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John McCain will be 72 in 2008. I hope he gets the nomination, I'd like the Republicans to run a fossil against a more youthful democrat.

By contrast Reagan was only 69 in 1980 and at the time he was considered borderline too old.


And yet, if he faces a female or an African-American candidate, he'll win.

True but that won't happen so it's a non issue.


So, who will run for the Democrats?

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Dr. Lecter wrote:
Archie Gates wrote:
Dr. Lecter wrote:
Archie Gates wrote:
John McCain will be 72 in 2008. I hope he gets the nomination, I'd like the Republicans to run a fossil against a more youthful democrat.

By contrast Reagan was only 69 in 1980 and at the time he was considered borderline too old.


And yet, if he faces a female or an African-American candidate, he'll win.

True but that won't happen so it's a non issue.


So, who will run for the Democrats?

The most obvious front runner is Edwards. Behind him possibly Howard Dean, Evan Bayh. Any of those 3 would be a solid candidate.


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Archie Gates wrote:
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Archie Gates wrote:
Dr. Lecter wrote:
Archie Gates wrote:
John McCain will be 72 in 2008. I hope he gets the nomination, I'd like the Republicans to run a fossil against a more youthful democrat.

By contrast Reagan was only 69 in 1980 and at the time he was considered borderline too old.


And yet, if he faces a female or an African-American candidate, he'll win.

True but that won't happen so it's a non issue.


So, who will run for the Democrats?

The most obvious front runner is Edwards. Behind him possibly Howard Dean, Evan Bayh. Any of those 3 would be a solid candidate.


It would be a mistake to have Edwards run. I am not 100% sure, but didn't Kerry/Edwards even lose in Edwards' home state?
Dean would be a farily good candidate for the Democrats, Iguess...but there still must be a reason why they went for Kerry and not for him to run this time.
Never heard of the third...

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Dr. Lecter wrote:
Archie Gates wrote:
Dr. Lecter wrote:
Archie Gates wrote:
Dr. Lecter wrote:
Archie Gates wrote:
John McCain will be 72 in 2008. I hope he gets the nomination, I'd like the Republicans to run a fossil against a more youthful democrat.

By contrast Reagan was only 69 in 1980 and at the time he was considered borderline too old.


And yet, if he faces a female or an African-American candidate, he'll win.

True but that won't happen so it's a non issue.


So, who will run for the Democrats?

The most obvious front runner is Edwards. Behind him possibly Howard Dean, Evan Bayh. Any of those 3 would be a solid candidate.


It would be a mistake to have Edwards run. I am not 100% sure, but didn't Kerry/Edwards even lose in Edwards' home state?
Dean would be a farily good candidate for the Democrats, Iguess...but there still must be a reason why they went for Kerry and not for him to run this time.
Never heard of the third...

The appeal of Edwards is not that he will carry the south, it's that he is in touch with small town America, and that's the kind of candidate the Democrats need.

Gore and Kerry were big city type candidates, born rich children of cosmopolitan parents. Dean, Edwards and Bayh are much more at home with small town and rural America. Dean was endorsed 7 times by the NRA and was a fiscal conservative balancing his budget as governor. Edwards is the son of a mill worker who grew up in a small town.

The democrats need people like those possible candidates, someone who can say he's for the little guy, that he's in touch with real America, and it have at least some legitimacy to it.

Also, what Bill Clinton and John Edwards have in common is they are Democrats who grew up in a conservative area, that made them able to find a way to articulate Democratic beliefs that doesn't turn off the middle and the right.


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Archie Gates wrote:
Dr. Lecter wrote:
Archie Gates wrote:
Dr. Lecter wrote:
Archie Gates wrote:
Dr. Lecter wrote:
Archie Gates wrote:
John McCain will be 72 in 2008. I hope he gets the nomination, I'd like the Republicans to run a fossil against a more youthful democrat.

By contrast Reagan was only 69 in 1980 and at the time he was considered borderline too old.


And yet, if he faces a female or an African-American candidate, he'll win.

True but that won't happen so it's a non issue.


So, who will run for the Democrats?

The most obvious front runner is Edwards. Behind him possibly Howard Dean, Evan Bayh. Any of those 3 would be a solid candidate.


It would be a mistake to have Edwards run. I am not 100% sure, but didn't Kerry/Edwards even lose in Edwards' home state?
Dean would be a farily good candidate for the Democrats, Iguess...but there still must be a reason why they went for Kerry and not for him to run this time.
Never heard of the third...

The appeal of Edwards is not that he will carry the south, it's that he is in touch with small town America, and that's the kind of candidate the Democrats need.

Gore and Kerry were big city type candidates, born rich children of cosmopolitan parents. Dean, Edwards and Bayh are much more at home with small town and rural America. Dean was endorsed 7 times by the NRA and was a fiscal conservative balancing his budget as governor. Edwards is the son of a mill worker who grew up in a small town.

The democrats need people like those possible candidates, someone who can say he's for the little guy, that he's in touch with real America, and it have at least some legitimacy to it.

Also, what Bill Clinton and John Edwards have in common is they are Democrats who grew up in a conservative area, that made them able to find a way to articulate Democratic beliefs that doesn't turn off the middle and the right.


So, how come he didn't add that much to Kerry this time?

Also, losing even some support in big cities is not what the Democrats are looking for.

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Dr. Lecter wrote:
Archie Gates wrote:
Dr. Lecter wrote:
Archie Gates wrote:
Dr. Lecter wrote:
Archie Gates wrote:
Dr. Lecter wrote:
Archie Gates wrote:
John McCain will be 72 in 2008. I hope he gets the nomination, I'd like the Republicans to run a fossil against a more youthful democrat.

By contrast Reagan was only 69 in 1980 and at the time he was considered borderline too old.


And yet, if he faces a female or an African-American candidate, he'll win.

True but that won't happen so it's a non issue.


So, who will run for the Democrats?

The most obvious front runner is Edwards. Behind him possibly Howard Dean, Evan Bayh. Any of those 3 would be a solid candidate.


It would be a mistake to have Edwards run. I am not 100% sure, but didn't Kerry/Edwards even lose in Edwards' home state?
Dean would be a farily good candidate for the Democrats, Iguess...but there still must be a reason why they went for Kerry and not for him to run this time.
Never heard of the third...

The appeal of Edwards is not that he will carry the south, it's that he is in touch with small town America, and that's the kind of candidate the Democrats need.

Gore and Kerry were big city type candidates, born rich children of cosmopolitan parents. Dean, Edwards and Bayh are much more at home with small town and rural America. Dean was endorsed 7 times by the NRA and was a fiscal conservative balancing his budget as governor. Edwards is the son of a mill worker who grew up in a small town.

The democrats need people like those possible candidates, someone who can say he's for the little guy, that he's in touch with real America, and it have at least some legitimacy to it.

Also, what Bill Clinton and John Edwards have in common is they are Democrats who grew up in a conservative area, that made them able to find a way to articulate Democratic beliefs that doesn't turn off the middle and the right.


So, how come he didn't add that much to Kerry this time?

Also, losing even some support in big cities is not what the Democrats are looking for.

Because people don't vote much based on who is Veep. Cheney wasn't a drag on the Bush ticket, he was pretty unpopular with all but the far right, but people don't vote based on that, so Cheney didn't end up hurting Bush much or Edwards end up helping Kerry much, people mostly just pay attention to the main candidate - though if a woman or minority was on the ticket then some biases might come into play unfortunately.


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Because people don't vote much based on who is Veep. Cheney wasn't a drag on the Bush ticket, he was pretty unpopular with all but the far right, but people don't vote based on that, so Cheney didn't end up hurting Bush much or Edwards end up helping Kerry much, people mostly just pay attention to the main candidate - though if a woman or minority was on the ticket then some biases might come into play unfortunately.


Replace "might" with "would definitely" :)

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John edwards wife was diagnosed with breast cancer yesterday,You think that might affect him in 2008?

Damn,First kerry concedes and then his wife has that awful disease.It must truly be a depressing time for that man. :cry:


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What about Guiliani? IF he does run i think he would win by alot ...maybe not if Obama ran against him but otherwise i think he would win by alot

NOW Bush..we are your representatives and we got you where you are and this is my opinion of what should be done since that we put you in your spot

1. Bomb Fallejah
2. Seal Off Mexico from The USA (Illegal Immigration)
3. Make an Ammendemnt against Gay Marriges


http://breakingnews.nypost.com/dynamic/ ... CTION=HOME

HA! who called it ^.....thanks president bush

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What about Guiliani? IF he does run i think he would win by alot ...maybe not if Obama ran against him but otherwise i think he would win by alot

NOW Bush..we are your representatives and we got you where you are and this is my opinion of what should be done since that we put you in your spot

1. Bomb Fallejah
2. Seal Off Mexico from The USA (Illegal Immigration)
3. Make an Ammendemnt against Gay Marriges


http://breakingnews.nypost.com/dynamic/ ... CTION=HOME

HA! who called it ^.....thanks president bush


You know this kind of post just makes me...uh,

well nice to see you so happy about it.


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