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rusty
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Coasterman2002 wrote: rusty wrote: I'm sticking with Cheney for 2016 :wink: wrap your mind around that one! haha won't he die of a heart attack by then? Rod- yup thats pretty much why were against it so your right I'm sorry. I meant Cyborg Cheney for 2016.
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BacktotheFuture
I'm Batman
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Chris wrote: BacktotheFuture wrote: Chris wrote: BacktotheFuture wrote: Crazy old Dems. Dolce isn't old. Young and hot, yes. Crazy, maybe. (Just Kidding! :wink: ) I was saying ol' more than old. I wasn't saying their age is old it was kind of just like you crazy old bugger. Anybody understand what I'm saying? I was joking, lol.  Ohh...(hangs head in shame)
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Rod
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 John Doe wrote: Amer wrote: torrino wrote: START CAMPAIGNING NOW! WE'LL WIN EVERY STATE!  Yeah. Hilary won't do well at all. YES!!!! We must start now!!!! Edwards/Obama!!!!!!!!!!! I think that if Edwards wants to do well he will announce if towards the beginning of 2006, so he can just start campainging lightly, an start raising some money. Anyway, any one else think Edwards/Obama would make a good ticket? The Repubs best bet right now would be McCain/Giuliani, anyone think that would be a good ticket? McCain yes, Guiliani no... Not that many people outside of NY know Guiliani... I'd question that statementOnce he gets into Republican primaries, he'll be ripped apart as being too liberal when mayor of NYC... He was pro-choice (big no-no for a Republicans), he is divorced (talk about family values) and also Catholic (so hard for a Catholic to win trust/endorsement of the G.O.P.), just to name a few quirks that'll hold him down... Anyway, many things might change between now and then, so it is kind of early to think of who will become frontrunner for the Republicans in four years... :wink: I think that's the point, that by REpublican standards he's pretty liberal and could therefor appeal to a much larger group than just Republicans, the way Arnold was elected in California despite the state consistently coting Democrat.
While I'm not thrilled about having another Republican in the White House, McCain/Guiliani is much more appealing than Dick/Cheney.
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Coasterman2002
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rusty wrote: Coasterman2002 wrote: rusty wrote: I'm sticking with Cheney for 2016 :wink: wrap your mind around that one! haha won't he die of a heart attack by then? Rod- yup thats pretty much why were against it so your right I'm sorry. I meant Cyborg Cheney for 2016. lmao yea sounds real cute :wink:
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Amer
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Rod wrote: John Doe wrote: Amer wrote: torrino wrote: START CAMPAIGNING NOW! WE'LL WIN EVERY STATE! Yeah. Hilary won't do well at all. YES!!!! We must start now!!!! Edwards/Obama!!!!!!!!!!! I think that if Edwards wants to do well he will announce if towards the beginning of 2006, so he can just start campainging lightly, an start raising some money. Anyway, any one else think Edwards/Obama would make a good ticket? The Repubs best bet right now would be McCain/Giuliani, anyone think that would be a good ticket? McCain yes, Guiliani no... Not that many people outside of NY know Guiliani... I'd question that statementOnce he gets into Republican primaries, he'll be ripped apart as being too liberal when mayor of NYC... He was pro-choice (big no-no for a Republicans), he is divorced (talk about family values) and also Catholic (so hard for a Catholic to win trust/endorsement of the G.O.P.), just to name a few quirks that'll hold him down... Anyway, many things might change between now and then, so it is kind of early to think of who will become frontrunner for the Republicans in four years... :wink: I think that's the point, that by REpublican standards he's pretty liberal and could therefor appeal to a much larger group than just Republicans, the way Arnold was elected in California despite the state consistently coting Democrat. While I'm not thrilled about having another Republican in the White House, McCain/Guiliani is much more appealing than Dick/Cheney. Yeah...thats why I personally think that the Democrats will win 2008 pretty easily. Edwards/Obama 08!!!!!!!
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John Doe
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Rod wrote: John Doe wrote: Amer wrote: torrino wrote: START CAMPAIGNING NOW! WE'LL WIN EVERY STATE! Yeah. Hilary won't do well at all. YES!!!! We must start now!!!! Edwards/Obama!!!!!!!!!!! I think that if Edwards wants to do well he will announce if towards the beginning of 2006, so he can just start campainging lightly, an start raising some money. Anyway, any one else think Edwards/Obama would make a good ticket? The Repubs best bet right now would be McCain/Giuliani, anyone think that would be a good ticket? McCain yes, Guiliani no... Not that many people outside of NY know Guiliani... I'd question that statementOnce he gets into Republican primaries, he'll be ripped apart as being too liberal when mayor of NYC... He was pro-choice (big no-no for a Republicans), he is divorced (talk about family values) and also Catholic (so hard for a Catholic to win trust/endorsement of the G.O.P.), just to name a few quirks that'll hold him down... Anyway, many things might change between now and then, so it is kind of early to think of who will become frontrunner for the Republicans in four years... :wink: I think that's the point, that by REpublican standards he's pretty liberal and could therefor appeal to a much larger group than just Republicans, the way Arnold was elected in California despite the state consistently coting Democrat. While I'm not thrilled about having another Republican in the White House, McCain/Guiliani is much more appealing than Dick/Cheney. All people know about Guiliani is 9/11, once Dems would start a couple of well placed ads about what he has voted in his past... Lot of conservatives would turn away from him... Hey that's just my opinion... He might look great on paper but once you get down to the real story and start crafting a coherent candidate's picture, it will have more holes, than many would like to accept... :wink:
And, yes I agree McCain/Guiliani would be lot preferable then the current combo... :wink: :wink:
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A. G.
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I was surprised to see statistics that Kerry ended up carring the middle-ground independents 55-45. I mean, if you can carry the center and still not win, that's pretty sad statement about the country if one wing only can dominate like that.
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Archie Gates wrote: I was surprised to see statistics that Kerry ended up carring the middle-ground independents 55-45. I mean, if you can carry the center and still not win, that's pretty sad statement about the country if one wing only can dominate like that. It's not like he got 100% of those. And it's not like exit polls were actually right ;-)
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lovemerox
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Yeah so Im a little better...any love for bill?
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Krem wrote: Archie Gates wrote: I was surprised to see statistics that Kerry ended up carring the middle-ground independents 55-45. I mean, if you can carry the center and still not win, that's pretty sad statement about the country if one wing only can dominate like that. It's not like he got 100% of those. And it's not like exit polls were actually right ;-) Getting 100% of them is beside the point. The final exit polls were pretty close. It was just the early exit polls that were wrong. The reason, of course was that angrier voters were voting early. It's a lot like when a hyped movie opens, it is front loaded for the first few hours.
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Amer
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Edawards/Obama 08!!!!
The Repubs best scenario would be Powell/McCain
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Archie Gates wrote: Krem wrote: Archie Gates wrote: I was surprised to see statistics that Kerry ended up carring the middle-ground independents 55-45. I mean, if you can carry the center and still not win, that's pretty sad statement about the country if one wing only can dominate like that. It's not like he got 100% of those. And it's not like exit polls were actually right ;-) Getting 100% of them is beside the point. The final exit polls were pretty close. It was just the early exit polls that were wrong. The reason, of course was that angrier voters were voting early. It's a lot like when a hyped movie opens, it is front loaded for the first few hours. Well you were talking about it as if he carried 100% of the moderates. He didn't. He got 55%, and Bush got 45%. So Bush's base was more energized.
BTW, Bush got more Democratic vote than Kerry got Republican.
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Amer
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Krem wrote: Archie Gates wrote: Krem wrote: Archie Gates wrote: I was surprised to see statistics that Kerry ended up carring the middle-ground independents 55-45. I mean, if you can carry the center and still not win, that's pretty sad statement about the country if one wing only can dominate like that. It's not like he got 100% of those. And it's not like exit polls were actually right ;-) Getting 100% of them is beside the point. The final exit polls were pretty close. It was just the early exit polls that were wrong. The reason, of course was that angrier voters were voting early. It's a lot like when a hyped movie opens, it is front loaded for the first few hours. Well you were talking about it as if he carried 100% of the moderates. He didn't. He got 55%, and Bush got 45%. So Bush's base was more energized. BTW, Bush got more Democratic vote than Kerry got Republican. By about 2% right?
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rusty
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Amer wrote: Edawards/Obama 08!!!!
The Repubs best scenario would be Powell/McCain Powell would never run. He's a military man and he obviously didn't like his tenure in politics over the past 4 years.
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Amer wrote: Krem wrote: Archie Gates wrote: Krem wrote: Archie Gates wrote: I was surprised to see statistics that Kerry ended up carring the middle-ground independents 55-45. I mean, if you can carry the center and still not win, that's pretty sad statement about the country if one wing only can dominate like that. It's not like he got 100% of those. And it's not like exit polls were actually right ;-) Getting 100% of them is beside the point. The final exit polls were pretty close. It was just the early exit polls that were wrong. The reason, of course was that angrier voters were voting early. It's a lot like when a hyped movie opens, it is front loaded for the first few hours. Well you were talking about it as if he carried 100% of the moderates. He didn't. He got 55%, and Bush got 45%. So Bush's base was more energized. BTW, Bush got more Democratic vote than Kerry got Republican. By about 2% right? 5 point swing, actually.
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BY the way, those same exit polls that you're quoting, Archie, show that Bush picked up 1% of the moderate vote since 2000.
http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2004/pages/ ... lls.0.html
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Amer
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rusty wrote: Amer wrote: Edawards/Obama 08!!!!
The Repubs best scenario would be Powell/McCain Powell would never run. He's a military man and he obviously didn't like his tenure in politics over the past 4 years. Thats why I said best scenario.
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lovemerox
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Maybe you all can help me, But i really dont understand how the majority of America, can support someone who wants to take rights away from people, and wants to supress people...
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rusty
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lovemerox wrote: Maybe you all can help me, But i really dont understand how the majority of America, can support someone who wants to take rights away from people, and wants to supress people... Rules must be written to control society.
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Dr. Lecter
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lovemerox wrote: Maybe you all can help me, But i really dont understand how the majority of America, can support someone who wants to take rights away from people, and wants to supress people... Because he doesn't take away the rights from those who vote for him and they also agree with him doing that? _________________The greatest thing on earth is to love and to be loved in return!
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lovemerox wrote: Maybe you all can help me, But i really dont understand how the majority of America, can support someone who wants to take rights away from people, and wants to supress people... I dunno.
It's good that a person like that did not run for the elction ;-)
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rusty
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Abortions for ALL!
*booooo*
No abortions for anyone!
*booooo*
Fine. Abortions for some, miniature american flags for all!
*yaaaa!!*
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Eagle
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Eagle wrote: Guys!!!
Don't worry about the exit polls, they are meaningless.
All the people voting for bush are still at work, while all the homeless and unemployed who are voting for kerry literally have nothing better to do!
College students who vote also tend to vote early.
From the spin master, I am signing off.
KJ The voice of reason was heard early!
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rusty wrote: Abortions for ALL!
*booooo*
No abortions for anyone!
*booooo*
Fine. Abortions for some, miniature american flags for all!
*yaaaa!!* Can I get an "amen"?
No, really, can I?
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rusty
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Eagle wrote: Eagle wrote: Guys!!!
Don't worry about the exit polls, they are meaningless.
All the people voting for bush are still at work, while all the homeless and unemployed who are voting for kerry literally have nothing better to do!
College students who vote also tend to vote early.
From the spin master, I am signing off.
KJ The voice of reason was heard early! You are so wise mr. eagle. Like a hairy miniature buddha.
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