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dolcevita wrote: Better than New Hope -PUH-LEEZ
Sith was by far more watchable than its two predecessors, but its is nowhere near the creative package of Lucas' first Star Wars directorial outing nearly three decades ago. Sith is all package and no surprising gift within. There was marginal intrigue, no introduced characters, no loose ends, and the weakest "love" story I've heard in ages. On the plus side, Lucas took alot more time building the action scenes, and it pays off. They are a bit too seemless to hold my attention, and the ability to move from one digital world to the next is so quick and easy that it fails to build a sense of the galaxy.
I don't mind Lucas' philosophy, so Sith wasn't offensive, and Greivous's pnuemonic cough (left unexplained) was actually quite interesting. Yoda steals the show. Jackson was a miscaste, Portman should be shot.
B- (on early thoughts)
Finally someone else who sees she is not good in this movie, Christensen is much better in Sith then she is.
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Libs
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Ripper wrote: dolcevita wrote: Better than New Hope -PUH-LEEZ
Sith was by far more watchable than its two predecessors, but its is nowhere near the creative package of Lucas' first Star Wars directorial outing nearly three decades ago. Sith is all package and no surprising gift within. There was marginal intrigue, no introduced characters, no loose ends, and the weakest "love" story I've heard in ages. On the plus side, Lucas took alot more time building the action scenes, and it pays off. They are a bit too seemless to hold my attention, and the ability to move from one digital world to the next is so quick and easy that it fails to build a sense of the galaxy.
I don't mind Lucas' philosophy, so Sith wasn't offensive, and Greivous's pnuemonic cough (left unexplained) was actually quite interesting. Yoda steals the show. Jackson was a miscaste, Portman should be shot.
B- (on early thoughts) Finally someone else who sees she is not good in this movie, Christensen is much better in Sith then she is.
I didn't think Portman was bad as much as she was not given anything to do. She just sort of stood around, whined and got on my nerves.
I actually thought Christensen was laugh-out-loud awful.
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andaroo1
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Watching chicks argue over Star Wars.
There's nothing more arrousing.
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Sat May 21, 2005 9:41 pm |
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Maverikk
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Libs wrote: I actually thought Christensen was laugh-out-loud awful.
:yikes:
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Sat May 21, 2005 9:47 pm |
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andaroo wrote: Watching chicks argue over Star Wars.
There's nothing more arrousing.
I had to fight hard to avoid making mention of the threesome.
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Sat May 21, 2005 9:49 pm |
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baumer72
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I'm not quite sure how anyone can actually think christensen was bad. He was amazing in almost every scene. I thought he was much better than he was in Clones.
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Sat May 21, 2005 10:16 pm |
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Libs
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baumer72 wrote: I'm not quite sure how anyone can actually think christensen was bad. He was amazing in almost every scene. I thought he was much better than he was in Clones.
Pff. I just thought his acting and melodramatic delivery were grating.
It may be more George Lucas' fault than that of Hayden Christensen, because he was very good in both Life as a House and Shattered Glass. He's just out of his element in these movies, imo.
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Sat May 21, 2005 10:25 pm |
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baumer72
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Libs wrote: baumer72 wrote: I'm not quite sure how anyone can actually think christensen was bad. He was amazing in almost every scene. I thought he was much better than he was in Clones. Pff. I just thought his acting and melodramatic delivery were grating. It may be more George Lucas' fault than that of Hayden Christensen, because he was very good in both Life as a House and Shattered Glass. He's just out of his element in these movies, imo.
Naaah, he was perfect in his role. Angry, bitter and full of spite.
_________________ Brick Tamland: Yeah, there were horses, and a man on fire, and I killed a guy with a trident.
Ron Burgundy: Brick, I've been meaning to talk to you about that. You should find yourself a safehouse or a relative close by. Lay low for a while, because you're probably wanted for murder.
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Sat May 21, 2005 10:40 pm |
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STEVE ROGERS
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baumer72 wrote: Libs wrote: baumer72 wrote: I'm not quite sure how anyone can actually think christensen was bad. He was amazing in almost every scene. I thought he was much better than he was in Clones. Pff. I just thought his acting and melodramatic delivery were grating. It may be more George Lucas' fault than that of Hayden Christensen, because he was very good in both Life as a House and Shattered Glass. He's just out of his element in these movies, imo. Naaah, he was perfect in his role. Angry, bitter and full of spite.
I don't know.. The whole issue of the acting and dialogue being bad in these films is a bunch of Bullshit and is no worse than the bullshit dialogue in the LOTR movies which was grating, boring and Homoerotic to the point of making we want to vomit, minus the action in the films that saved them.. Go figure.. I watch the SW movies for the action and Lightsaber fights, not turn it into some exercise in dissecting the lines in this film.. After just getting back from seeing this a 2nd time now moments ago, I still stand by my grade of "B+".. Had the scene where Yoda lands on Dagobah been in there, it would've gotten an "A".. There's always DVD and many Deleted scenes that will be on there and make Lucas even more $$$..
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Sat May 21, 2005 11:01 pm |
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Anonymous
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Full of Sprite maybe.
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Sat May 21, 2005 11:03 pm |
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Maverikk
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If anybody would have ever told me that Libs would like EP III better than BKB, I would have thought they were nutty. :razz:
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Sat May 21, 2005 11:04 pm |
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zingy
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Maverikk wrote: If anybody would have ever told me that Libs would like EP III better than BKB, I would have thought they were nutty. :razz:
I know! 
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Sat May 21, 2005 11:08 pm |
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STEVE ROGERS
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Maverikk wrote: If anybody would have ever told me that Libs would like EP III better than BKB, I would have thought they were nutty. :razz:
How did she like it anymore than me?? I've seen it twice now.. She's the one ragging on about the acting and dialogue.. My only complaint was not seeing the Dagobah scene which was a pretty big edit in my book that kept the movie from really having the continuity factor being better and would've been nice to see him land on the planet.. A "B+" when I trashed the last 2 movies is damn good and solid and honest..
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Sat May 21, 2005 11:10 pm |
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zingy
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BKB_The_Man wrote: Maverikk wrote: If anybody would have ever told me that Libs would like EP III better than BKB, I would have thought they were nutty. :razz: How did she like it anymore than me?? I've seen it twice now.. She's the one ragging on about the acting and dialogue.. My only complaint was not seeing the Dagobah scene which was a pretty big edit in my book that kept the movie from really having the continuity factor being better and would've been nice to see him land on the planet.. A "B+" when I trashed the last 2 movies is damn good..
Well, mainly because Libs (who I think has much higher standards for the films she watches) gave this an almost perfect grade.
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Sat May 21, 2005 11:11 pm |
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Libs
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Zingaling wrote: BKB_The_Man wrote: Maverikk wrote: If anybody would have ever told me that Libs would like EP III better than BKB, I would have thought they were nutty. :razz: How did she like it anymore than me?? I've seen it twice now.. She's the one ragging on about the acting and dialogue.. My only complaint was not seeing the Dagobah scene which was a pretty big edit in my book that kept the movie from really having the continuity factor being better and would've been nice to see him land on the planet.. A "B+" when I trashed the last 2 movies is damn good..Well, mainly because Libs (who I think has much higher standards for the films she watches) gave this an almost perfect grade.
The effects, mood and undercurrent are enough to eclipse an awful performance and some missplaced dialogue.
I didn't actually think Christensen was *that* bad other than the romantic scenes with Padme, which were simply cringe-inducing.
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Sat May 21, 2005 11:14 pm |
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I dont know, I guess I gave Sith a free pass in the acting/directing dept too. Everything else worked so well, it didnt effect me as much.
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Sat May 21, 2005 11:16 pm |
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Maverikk
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BKB_The_Man wrote: How did she like it anymore than me?? I've seen it twice now.. She's the one ragging on about the acting and dialogue.. My only complaint was not seeing the Dagobah scene which was a pretty big edit in my book that kept the movie from really having the continuity factor being better and would've been nice to see him land on the planet.. A "B+" when I trashed the last 2 movies is damn good and solid and honest..
She gave it a higher grade. She's not trashing it, she just didn't like Hayden's performance. I agree with the consensus, and I think she needs to watch it again :razz: , as he was perfect in his fall from grace.
The biggest plot hole in the movie for me, was there was no explanation for how Anakin learned the force ghost trick. Yoda and Obi Wan were explained. No big deal, as the rest more than makes up for it.
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Sat May 21, 2005 11:16 pm |
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zingy
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I do have to agree with BKB on one thing, though. Why are people honestly paying attention to the acting and dialogue of this film? I mean, we're not talking about Crash here, people. It's Star Wars. I don't remember who, but someone gave it a low mark because it had bad dialogue or something. Why that would affect your thoughts on the movie as a whole is beyond me, but to each his own.
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Sat May 21, 2005 11:20 pm |
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STEVE ROGERS
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loyalfromlondon wrote: I dont know, I guess I gave Sith a free pass in the acting/directing dept too. Everything else worked so well, it didnt effect me as much.
These films have never been known for the acting and dialogue.. It's a story told through Visuals and Lucas has even said that in the past.. If he would've just left the Dagobah scene in, I would've given it an "A" for certain, but to me, that was a pretty big edit considering the last scene you see Yoda in is sitting at that table giving orders to both Bails Organa and Obi Wan and that's it.. After they showed Bails Organa and his wife holding Leia on Alderaan, they should've showed Yodas ship landing on Dagobah and him getting out to inspect the swamp, then cut to Tattoine with Obi Wan handing Luke to Beru and Owen.. That would've then been perfect, but still a damn good movie and enough for me to see it twice..
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Sat May 21, 2005 11:21 pm |
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bABA
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all i gotta say is that the actors had 'some' bad material to work with ... i wasn't impressed by portman either in this one but hayden and everyone else ... played their parts to perfection.
you guys just don't get the characters they were suppose to be portraying thats YOUR problem
8*get mav, baumer and the other boys behind him**
yea .. i went there.
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Sat May 21, 2005 11:24 pm |
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STEVE ROGERS
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Maverikk wrote: BKB_The_Man wrote: How did she like it anymore than me?? I've seen it twice now.. She's the one ragging on about the acting and dialogue.. My only complaint was not seeing the Dagobah scene which was a pretty big edit in my book that kept the movie from really having the continuity factor being better and would've been nice to see him land on the planet.. A "B+" when I trashed the last 2 movies is damn good and solid and honest.. She gave it a higher grade. She's not trashing it, she just didn't like Hayden's performance. I agree with the consensus, and I think she needs to watch it again :razz: , as he was perfect in his fall from grace. The biggest plot hole in the movie for me, was there was no explanation for how Anakin learned the force ghost trick. Yoda and Obi Wan were explained. No big deal, as the rest more than makes up for it.
Ahhh, but there's always the DVD with all the bells and whistles come Christmas.. I think those scenes I mentioned that I wanted which should'nt of been Edited will be on DVD.. Seeing Yoda land on Dagobah would've been perfect and given it an even more fluid continuity flow..
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Sat May 21, 2005 11:24 pm |
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STEVE ROGERS
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Zingaling wrote: I do have to agree with BKB on one thing, though. Why are people honestly paying attention to the acting and dialogue of this film? I mean, we're not talking about Crash here, people. It's Star Wars. I don't remember who, but someone gave it a low mark because it had bad dialogue or something. Why that would affect your thoughts on the movie as a whole is beyond me, but to each his own.
I've always thought the whole acting/dialogue diatribe for these sort of films was bogus.. Hell even looking back on the LOTR films, the acting and dialogue in them at times(ALOT of times) was downright snooze inducing but folks were to caught up in the moment to notice it otherwise.. NO MOVIE OR FRANCHISE IS PERFECT AND FLAWLESS.. I say that because of IGN's lame review where the reviewer starts out bad mouthing the folks who like it saying that contrary to what some people think, SITH is not the Masterpiece it's made out to be and is Flawed.. Well no shit sherlock.. ALL MOVIES ARE FLAWED FOR HEAVEN SAKES.. That guy should be fired from IGN for that review and the way it was presented..
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Sat May 21, 2005 11:28 pm |
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I dont think it's fair to compare those 2 franchises in terms of acting.
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Sat May 21, 2005 11:32 pm |
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torrino
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I can't give an "A" to a film that has the kind of dialogue you see in Friday the 13th sequels. It just isn't a symbol of perfection.
I think Lucas had some neat action scenes, but, let's be honest. Whatever you felt, do you think that justifies an awful screenplay? We're talking about moving picture with sound, no?
Eh. I gave it a B+.
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Sat May 21, 2005 11:37 pm |
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STEVE ROGERS
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torrino wrote: I can't give an "A" to a film that has the kind of dialogue you see in Friday the 13th sequels. It just isn't a symbol of perfection.
I think Lucas had some neat action scenes, but, let's be honest. Whatever you felt, do you think that justifies an awful screenplay? We're talking about moving picture with sound, no?
Eh. I gave it a B+.
I'd love to see 95% of the folks that complain about stuff like this make a better film cause in the end, you know you can't.. This moving picture with sound was Fantastic..
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