I feel like I'm missing something here because aside from being handsomely made and well-acted for the most part i found this to be an endless bore with messaging so on-the-nose that it almost became excruciating by the end. For a horror film it's not even remotely scary or suspenseful, and the musical sequences are borderline torturous. The characters are also so underdeveloped it's impossible to feel anything for anyone. A massive disappointment and honestly one of my least favorites I've seen so far this year.

The trailers don't make it seem like anything other than a more polished take on From Dusk Till Dawn, but also with the added feature of white people being evil (which, of course, makes it so much more important and deep). It probably would've helped your viewing experience if you drank the Kool-Aid.

Or was the messaging you refer to in regard something else?

That plus the music is 'generational' and power of music nonsense this was spewing. That coda scene was worse than any Marvel movie post-credits tag.

Great fucking movie. Saw it on glorious 70mm imax. The music through the ages / generational club one shot scene was peak kino. Outstanding score and music all around. MBJ does an amazing job in his dual role and the rest of the cast follows suit. Hailee doesn't get a ton of time but she definitely makes the best of it. "You aint afraid to rob gangsters in Chicago but you're too scared to steal this pussy from another man?" Like ... woah.

9/10.

“Sinners” by Ryan Coogler is another banger—yet another hit from one of the best in the game. I love the patient, intentional storytelling and the care he took in fleshing out the world and environment. The way the action kicked off was gripping, setting the tone perfectly.

Michael B. Jordan delivered standout performances as not just two, but eventually three distinct characters—each layered and compelling. Hailee Steinfeld and Wunmi Mosaku were also excellent, bringing real depth to their roles, along with the rest of the strong supporting cast.

Visually, the film was stunning. The special effects, lighting, and cinematography were all top-tier. From story to spectacle, everything just worked. Ryan Coogler delivers once again.”

This was an easy 10/10 for me. Spellbinding. The “time travel” music scene is an all-timer.

Ya this rocked.

The movie does not have messaging that “white people are evil” beyond a minor storyline involving the KKK, so you should see it before pre-judging! The villainous vampires in this are extremely inclusive (lol).

Well, don't all the white people fall under the umbrella of murderous KKK or murderous vampires? If every white character is (or becomes) an antagonist, then it seems fair enough to summarize as "white people are evil." It's not an accident, or something they didn't notice themselves.

And personally, as a gay atheist Jew, I don't find Coogler's movies up my alley after watching a few of them. I mean, again, it's not an accident that he's never had a gay, atheist, or Jewish character in any of his movies (or am I mistaken?). It's obviously not something he's interested in including, so fair enough, but I'm not terribly invested in watching his ongoing Michael B. Jordan worship from film to film.

You’re applying a deeply unsubtle message that does not exist to a nuanced film you haven’t seen which seems very unfair to me but what do I know

And in this case, how many gay atheist Jews would you expect to find in 1930s Mississippi lol

What the actual fuck? Go fuck yourself, seriously. You're just making shit up to hate a film THAT YOU HAVEN'T EVEN SEEN. White Gays are the literal worst.

The fucking white irish vampire even makes fun of the "white people = evil" right before the final act of the film.

Moving on, this is an easy A+ film

You seem quite childish, obtuse, and limited, which is not at all surprising. You're also racist, FYI, but I'm sure the reality of that goes right over your head. People like you have no arguments, but you sure have feelings that you're happy to vulgarly scream at people who share a different perspective in a civil way. I've already spoken to a number of others who *did* see the film and they acknowledged that all the white people end up being villainous in some way (a couple with an amendment that it shouldn't be read into), so I'm not seeing what I made up about it. But please, continue to feel things passionately and without reason.



I wonder how much discussion of an "unsubtle message" in a "nuanced film" would be had if the situation of Sinners was reversed so that all the black characters were evil/bad guys and the white people were the heroes. People constantly point out how X movie didn't have enough POC characters, or Y movie didn't pass the Bechdel Test, or whatever other imbalance that needs righting, with the resounding support of internet randos, but if a white person or a man points out similar imbalances/issues with representation then people like to waive it away as a non-issue (or some form of just desserts, which I've heard plenty of times). I guess that's to be expected from hypocrites of the world (not saying you're one of them, by the way), but it's still lame if the goal is equality and all that fun stuff. Either this stuff matters and is relevant, or it isn't.

Also, I was discussing his filmography to date, but I'm sure there's an excellent excuse as to why no gays exist in any of Coogler's films so far. It's not like I'm expecting a gay atheist Jew in every movie, by any means (many movies I see have none at all, as that's not a prerequisite), but to have no gays, atheists, or Jews *at all* in the six films he's written and/or directed is not an accident. He clearly has no interest in representing any of that, which is his perspective, but there's no need to pretend it's happenstance.

Actually going to watch the movie would give your opinions alot more weight. You might even end up liking it and wishing you'd saved this debate for a different film. Just saying.

Oh my god shut the fuck up. White Gays are not the center of the universe. You guys do not need more representation. Sinners couldn't introduce a gay character. It simply cannot, look at the time it's set, it wouldn't make sense, just like your argument about "white=evil".

Because clearly a movie about black culture and their connection to music needs a gay character. Two of the supporting characters are Asian and they are not evil. The bad guy is white because he is an Irish vampire, wtf were you expecting?

If you had seen the movie you would notice, but go off your high horse having opinions on movies you have clearly no desire to watch. Let alone trying to understand.

Your entire argument falls apart because of Hailee Steinfeld's character. But your entitlement doesn't allow you to see beyond your thoughts.

By the way, please explain to me a brown Mexican gay guy is racist. Go ahead.

For someone who's seen the movie, you should know that Steinfeld's character ends up being a "bad guy," too, once the evil white people corrupt her So, that doesn't seem to be the slam dunk you think. Also, your argument that it's impossible to have a gay character because it's the '30s is complete drivel. Fun fact: gay people existed back then, too! If you understood me, though, you'd know I wasn't even making the point that this particular movie needed to have a gay character but that Coogler in general has never written and/or directed a movie with any gays at all.

At no point did I say I refuse to ever see it (aside from sharing a general lack of interest), nor did I introduce any hostility or vulgarity when sharing my two cents about Coogler's overall filmography. It's not like I'm organizing a march against Sinners or railing against people who liked it, either, as I'm not passionately against the film or those involved with its production. I just found the optics of it rather interesting, especially here in race-obsessed America. You chose to have a hissy fit with me because I guess you're incapable of rational discourse, which is certainly your right, but the only person getting up on a high horse about their unchallengeable and precious opinions is yourself. I'm happy to discuss things with people who are capable of discussion, but you have clearly demonstrated that's a bridge too far for you.

And yeah, anyone can be racist, brown Mexicans like yourself being a prime example. "White gays are the literal worst" is you revealing yourself as a bigoted fool, whether you're aware of it or not. You're probably one of those big thinkers who thinks only white people can be racist, though, and proudly flaunts your ignorance at any opportunity. Anyway, you clearly have reading comprehension issues in addition to your other failures of communication (and casual racism!), so have fun being other peoples' waste of time.

Alright let's finish this discussion here. All parties have put their points. Let's not go further into this

Anyways, looking forward to seeing the movie again lol

I thought it was good, could have been great but in the final act it turns into another generic vampire film.
I loved most of it, especially that scene with the generational music.

It was pretty good? But don’t quite get the hype. It’s very pretty to look at and it’s mostly exciting in the second half. Performances are good. But the first half and second half felt disjointed. The transition from period drama to vampire thriller is pretty abrupt.