That settles it.

I mean sure, she was a bit too powerful in that movie, but is this really that much worse than Sauron Immortal Lord of Darkness getting defeated by someone swatting his hand with a broken sword? Or literally ever Harry Potter book? It's fantasy/sci-fi/whatever.

Pointing out that a Mary Sue is in fact a Mary Sue doesn't mean it is terrible. I like Rey, I enjoy rooting for her, but she is crazy overpowered.

Isildur getting lucky and Harry Potter having plot no jutsu are definitely writing tropes as well, but not in the Gary Stu context. Isildur is insta corrupted by the ring which washes that away. Harry Potter is a super flawed character who is only good at certain things, but terrible at others.

Can you tell me Rey's weakness?...she doesn't really have any.

A good example of a Gary Stu is any Superman movie (at least he has Kryptonite).

There is nothing inherently wrong about a character being written as always being good at stuff, it is just a lazy writing trope is all.

Modified my vote to $650-$700m. Hoping it keeps the streak going of the third film outgrossing the second.

rumors say the final trailer will debut on MNF in 10 days (October 21) and tickets go on sale right after. That seems about right given how they did it with the others.

Hype still feels very low but things can change very quickly after this trailer.

I hope tickets for Frozen 2 go on sale soon, before Star Wars. Trying to plan Thanksgiving break haha.

JOHN BOYEGA AGENT IS NOW SAYING THE TRAILER COMING OUT THIS MONDAY (14TH) NIGHT...on his Instagram

Yeah that's what I heard too. This upcoming Monday. Can't wait

If the organized old school fan boycott of Disney Star Wars continues, the box office results could be unpredictable, and in a bad way.

Downgraded to $630m. I just need it to outgross TLJ. Not feeling the buzz for this one. That makes me sad.

No news today about the trailer from SW official page so guessing it'll be the 21st when the trailer drops

How can you (correctly, IMO) say that buzz is low but then say it will outgross the last movie??

I'm expecting a massive drop to low 400s or even below that.

Its end October and the buzz does not seem to pick up. I still think it will do BIG numbers but I wouldn't be surprised by a lower opening (lower by SW standards). I think a RO type run might be in order.

I mean are people actually going to boycott this? I know plenty of people who weren’t fans of TLJ and all of them will go see this. It may not increase but those expecting a big drop I feel are misjudging how the fanbase reacts. This isn’t Solo.

Unless the WOM is truly toxic, it will break 600m.

Yeah the box office has bounced back in a big way. This is going to explode.

SW Fans: Everything sucks no way I see this, blah blah blah

*Trailer of random shots set to Williams music w/ zero plot shown*

SW Fans: Just about 2 dozen tickets for opening day!

If you dig deeper, you know that's not that case. Search your feelings, you know it to be true. For a December holiday film, The Last Jedi's legs were fairly bad. There's more; if you look up home video sales, they were pretty bad as well, in proportion to the worldwide box office. The fan backlash started somewhat with The Last Jedi and carried on into Solo. Anecdotally, The Last Jedi has also been on Netflix in a number of countries, and on Netflix I never really saw it on the trending or popular lists. Furthermore, Star Wars toy sales since the Last Jedi have been tanking and have been disappointing. Anecdotally, I still see tons of The Last Jedi and Solo toys collecting dust on shelves at various stores. Oh, and the Galaxy's Edge Star Wars additions at Disneyworlds have apparently been a disappointment as well in terms of attendance. No smoking gun you could argue, but a lot of circumstantial evidence that fans just aren't that enthusiastic about Star Wars anymore.

What Episode 9 does have going for it is that it's the end of the current Disney trilogy. Some fans may show up just to see how it ends. It could certainly still pull off a big opening, but it's quite possible legs could be bad if fans don't repeat watch it.

and yet there's no evidence that all those people still won't show up to ROS. Just like there was no evidence that all the people who showed up to AOTC would just refuse to see ROTS.

And if you think TLJ has worst WOM than the COMBINED reception of TPM/AOTC, you're a child who didnt live from 1999-2002 so stfu.

I still cant see it doing less than $600m or TLJ. Expecting a gross a bit higher than TLJ at this point.

ROTS had great marketing and Darth Vader finally was in it. A straight sequel to AOTC without that might do 250m

ROTS increased considerably over AOTC though. Are you proposing that is what will happen with ROS over TLJ?

Child? Lol I lived through TPM and AOTC. TPM actually had strong legs, and a lot of the backlash was related to how lackluster AOTC was, not TPM itself. Yet that backlash did not last long and did not affect ROTS (like TLJ backlash affected Solo). Furthermore, there was no noticeable affect on toy sales or other merchandise.

This current backlash is noticeably different than the AOTC era, it's not apples to apples sorry.

I have said this before but Disney+'s new series Mandalorian could be a big factor here. Specially with families if they feel like SW is just another thing that they can catch at home there might not be a need to rush into theaters over OW. Based on this Ep9 "may" have a lower opening and then based on WoM very good legs. I am really not worried about the legs on this one its the opening that sort of concerns me, even after 1.5 years of gap this just feels like something that will end but not exactly end.

If you’re going to sit here and say that TLJ has toxic WOM that ruined the franchise forever and not say the same for TPM and AOTC I really can’t talk to you cause YOU DONT KNOW WHAT THE FUCK YOU TALKING ABOUT.

I don't think you're using enough all caps lol. I'm out of this debate.

We'll see what happens with ROS soon enough.

That's actually an interesting point I didn't consider. If The Mandalorian turns out to be good, that could pull away some of the audience from theatres for ROS.