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Eagle wrote:
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People had alot of motives.

Germany was pissed, and rightfully so. They were in the midst of an awful depression, brought on by an awful treaty to end WW1. Hitler happened to be leading the most powerful party at that time, who happened to be preaching exactly what the people wanted o hear, and walla.



First of all, the "awful treaty" was well-deserved considering Germany (well, Austria and Germany) started WW I.

Second of all, Hitler wasn't leading an absolutely most powerful party as the communist party wasn't too far behind. The reason that led to Hitler's gain of power was the flawed constitution of the Weimar Republic (I am especially refering to article 48, so-called "Notverordnung")


No that awful treaty was not well deserved.

Yes Germany started WW1, but to absolutly cripple them the way Europe did was amazingly foolish.

Hindsight is 20-20, but there was still some major oversight. Europe had Germany at the end of ww1 in the plam of their hands. Theycould have forced them to sign any treaty they wanted them too.

Europe's biggest concern was NOT wanting to go to another war, they did NOT want to have to do this again. Neither did the German people, who were sick of the Kaiser, and just wanted to live, rather than die. Unfourtunatly the damn treaty they forced upon germany demanded disgusting ammounts of reparations and payments almost impossible to pay, that would surely cripple the economy. What does mass depression lead to, angst. What does all that angst lead to, revolution. What happens in a revolution, you wind up with a leader who is preaching to the masses.

Hitler rose up slowly, he was actually in the damn goverment. A division like the CIA or FBI, and was sent to investigate this political orginization. He infiltrated it, and liked it so much he left the goverment and stayed in politics. He ended up getting thrown in Jail, where he wrote Mein Kampf (sp?). Once he was released, he went again to the head of the party, and slowly rose to power. You are right when you say that the nazis were not the only political party in Germany, but they were over a 45% majority if I remember correctly. They slowly gained favor among the working class, and hitler promised many things that the people wanted to hear. The communist party was kind of ... I don't know ... imported? Russia was using them to kind of attempt to steer the revolution where they wanted it to go, one reason Hitler hated russia, and a reason Bran mistakenly believed hitler when he said he would attack russia.


Hitler's party, NSDAP, never got the absolute majority and the Weimar Republic's consitution was the only reason he became the Chancellor.

And Germany screwed France under Bismarck, so the treaty after WW I was well-deserved.

And to those who say that Germany didn't start WW I, they are simply not well-informed.

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And to those who say that Germany didn't start WW I, they are simply not well-informed.
I believe after Germany got PWNED in World War I, they had to sign the Treaty of Versailles I believe which means THEY had to take credit with World War I when in fact they did not start it, and thus how the myth started to happen. It was technically the rebels in Serbia who killed the Austrian Archduke.


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StarWarsEpisode7 wrote:
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And to those who say that Germany didn't start WW I, they are simply not well-informed.
I believe after Germany got PWNED in World War I, they had to sign the Treaty of Versailles I believe which means THEY had to take credit with World War I when in fact they did not start it, and thus how the myth started to happen. It was technically the rebels in Serbia who killed the Austrian Archduke.


Which oh so coincidentially happened to be what Germany actualy wanted: a reason to start the war.

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Dr. Lecter wrote:
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And to those who say that Germany didn't start WW I, they are simply not well-informed.
I believe after Germany got PWNED in World War I, they had to sign the Treaty of Versailles I believe which means THEY had to take credit with World War I when in fact they did not start it, and thus how the myth started to happen. It was technically the rebels in Serbia who killed the Austrian Archduke.


Which oh so coincidentially happened to be what Germany actualy wanted: a reason to start the war.

Sorry, but Deutschland did not declare war first. I believe it was Austria who declared war on Serbia then Russia declared war on Austria, and so forth.


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Happy 116th birthday, Adolf!


That's just wrong =; ...but it's your opinion mate!

What's my opinion? That it's Hitler's 116th birthday?


In my opinion there is nothing 'Happy' about celebrating a madman that had so much hate and loneliness inside him that he managed to convince and lead a nation (including annexed countries) to committ some heinous atrocities against humanity.

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StarWarsEpisode7 wrote:
Dr. Lecter wrote:
StarWarsEpisode7 wrote:
Dr. Lecter wrote:

And to those who say that Germany didn't start WW I, they are simply not well-informed.
I believe after Germany got PWNED in World War I, they had to sign the Treaty of Versailles I believe which means THEY had to take credit with World War I when in fact they did not start it, and thus how the myth started to happen. It was technically the rebels in Serbia who killed the Austrian Archduke.


Which oh so coincidentially happened to be what Germany actualy wanted: a reason to start the war.

Sorry, but Deutschland did not declare war first. I believe it was Austria who declared war on Serbia then Russia declared war on Austria, and so forth.


Germany supported Austria in declaring war to Serbia. In fact, Austria waited for Germany's response at first, then declared war. Germany said they were ready to defeat France and Russia.

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Dr. Lecter wrote:
StarWarsEpisode7 wrote:
Dr. Lecter wrote:
StarWarsEpisode7 wrote:
Dr. Lecter wrote:

And to those who say that Germany didn't start WW I, they are simply not well-informed.
I believe after Germany got PWNED in World War I, they had to sign the Treaty of Versailles I believe which means THEY had to take credit with World War I when in fact they did not start it, and thus how the myth started to happen. It was technically the rebels in Serbia who killed the Austrian Archduke.


Which oh so coincidentially happened to be what Germany actualy wanted: a reason to start the war.

Sorry, but Deutschland did not declare war first. I believe it was Austria who declared war on Serbia then Russia declared war on Austria, and so forth.


Germany supported Austria in declaring war to Serbia. In fact, Austria waited for Germany's response at first, then declared war. Germany said they were ready to defeat France and Russia.

But did they declare it? No.


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StarWarsEpisode7 wrote:
Dr. Lecter wrote:
StarWarsEpisode7 wrote:
Dr. Lecter wrote:
StarWarsEpisode7 wrote:
Dr. Lecter wrote:

And to those who say that Germany didn't start WW I, they are simply not well-informed.
I believe after Germany got PWNED in World War I, they had to sign the Treaty of Versailles I believe which means THEY had to take credit with World War I when in fact they did not start it, and thus how the myth started to happen. It was technically the rebels in Serbia who killed the Austrian Archduke.


Which oh so coincidentially happened to be what Germany actualy wanted: a reason to start the war.

Sorry, but Deutschland did not declare war first. I believe it was Austria who declared war on Serbia then Russia declared war on Austria, and so forth.


Germany supported Austria in declaring war to Serbia. In fact, Austria waited for Germany's response at first, then declared war. Germany said they were ready to defeat France and Russia.

But did they declare it? No.


Germany was Austria's ally, you realize that, right?

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Dr. Lecter wrote:
StarWarsEpisode7 wrote:
Dr. Lecter wrote:
StarWarsEpisode7 wrote:
Dr. Lecter wrote:
StarWarsEpisode7 wrote:
Dr. Lecter wrote:

And to those who say that Germany didn't start WW I, they are simply not well-informed.
I believe after Germany got PWNED in World War I, they had to sign the Treaty of Versailles I believe which means THEY had to take credit with World War I when in fact they did not start it, and thus how the myth started to happen. It was technically the rebels in Serbia who killed the Austrian Archduke.


Which oh so coincidentially happened to be what Germany actualy wanted: a reason to start the war.

Sorry, but Deutschland did not declare war first. I believe it was Austria who declared war on Serbia then Russia declared war on Austria, and so forth.


Germany supported Austria in declaring war to Serbia. In fact, Austria waited for Germany's response at first, then declared war. Germany said they were ready to defeat France and Russia.

But did they declare it? No.


Germany was Austria's ally, you realize that, right?
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