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The 'classical holy grail' decoded
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 The 'classical holy grail' decoded
I'm not sure if this had been posted earlier, but this seems to be making very big news. Tons of classical works that were not legible up to now are being decoded by the scientists at Oxford right now. Read the article here: http://news.independent.co.uk/world/sci ... ory=630165
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Mon Apr 18, 2005 7:18 pm |
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Box
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Possibly the most important event of this year, if its done within this year.
Anyways, it's invaluable, yes, but I doubt it will change the fundamentals. I don't expect anything earth-shaking.
That being said, the idea of reading new material by Sophocles and Euripides is a huge turn on \:D/ \:D/ \:D/
Btw, the two biggest tragedies in the history of scholarship concerned the burning of the Library at Alexandria, which contained most of the recorded human knowledge up until that time, a possible 600-800,000 volumes, including centuries of Greek drama, comedy, and poetry, and the pilage of Constantinople by the retarded European knights that destroyed countless manuscripts that were our only link to much of the knowledge of classical times. Those we wll never recover.
Sohopocles, Euripides, and Aeschylus, btw, each wrote around 90-100 plays. I am certain that the best ones are the ones that were preserved. I personally hate Oedipus Rex, but it's a masterpiece. I don't think anything else Sophocles wrote would surpass it.
As for the Oresteia, seeing how no trilogy in the last 2,500 years has come close, I don't think any new works will match it.
But really, what an amazing treasure trove.
\:D/
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Mon Apr 18, 2005 7:27 pm |
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Anonymous
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Yeah, box, I knew you'd be drooling over this 
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Mon Apr 18, 2005 7:32 pm |
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Neostorm
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"They even believe they are likely to find lost Christian gospels, the originals of which were written around the time of the earliest books of the New Testament."
That could be very interesting.
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Mon Apr 18, 2005 7:36 pm |
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Box
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neostorm wrote: That could be very interesting.
Hehe, I think the most interesting thing would be if nothing interesting was found in them.
I think that the basics will remain the same. I would love to find evidence of a female point of view though. Maybe a Gospel according to Mary Magdalene.
Ohhhhh, that would be so awesome!!!! ^.^ \:D/
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Mon Apr 18, 2005 7:40 pm |
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Anonymous
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box_2005 wrote: neostorm wrote: That could be very interesting.
Hehe, I think the most interesting thing would be if nothing interesting was found in them. I think that the basics will remain the same. I would love to find evidence of a female point of view though. Maybe a Gospel according to Mary Magdalene. Ohhhhh, that would be so awesome!!!! ^.^ \:D/
50 bucks says she was really a crossdresser.
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Mon Apr 18, 2005 7:41 pm |
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rusty
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Krem wrote: box_2005 wrote: neostorm wrote: That could be very interesting.
Hehe, I think the most interesting thing would be if nothing interesting was found in them. I think that the basics will remain the same. I would love to find evidence of a female point of view though. Maybe a Gospel according to Mary Magdalene. Ohhhhh, that would be so awesome!!!! ^.^ \:D/ 50 bucks says she was really a crossdresser.
That or Jesus plainly liked his prostitutes.
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Mon Apr 18, 2005 7:44 pm |
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Eagle
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50 bucks said she says she slept with god.
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Mon Apr 18, 2005 7:46 pm |
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Box
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Krem wrote: 50 bucks says she was really a crossdresser.
 :-$
$100 bucks that Paul, and not Jesus, is responsible for most of the Christian doctrine.
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Mon Apr 18, 2005 7:46 pm |
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Eagle
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200$ that someone contradicts something in a gospel.
Also .. you know that trove of info and items that the cathlioc church has stored away ... wonder whats in there?
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Mon Apr 18, 2005 7:49 pm |
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Neostorm
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Eagle wrote: 200$ that someone contradicts something in a gospel.
Also .. you know that trove of info and items that the cathlioc church has stored away ... wonder whats in there?
Ohh more secrets! Do tell 
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Mon Apr 18, 2005 7:52 pm |
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Box
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I will say something I have said before and will probably say countless times again in the future:
There is nothing stored anywhere that is not stored somewhere within us already.
Most of the knowledge we have has been thought of before, and most of what we think is new, especially in literature and philosophy, is really recycled from older material. Why else do you think so much of our knowledge goes back to Plato and Aristotle? Because it's knowledge along the same lines.
Knowledge that is genuinely original is extremely rare. In fact, I can think of only Einstein and a few others in recent history who really thought of things previously unimagined.
So, to answer your question, Eagle, there is nothing in the Vatican that we haven't come across before in some way or another.
There are no conspiracy theories.
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Mon Apr 18, 2005 7:55 pm |
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Anonymous
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box_2005 wrote: I will say something I have said before and will probably say countless times again in the future:
There is nothing stored anywhere that is not stored somewhere within us already.
Most of the knowledge we have has been thought of before, and most of what we think is new, especially in literature and philosophy, is really recycled from older material. Why else do you think so much of our knowledge goes back to Plato and Aristotle? Because it's knowledge along the same lines.
Knowledge that is genuinely original is extremely rare. In fact, I can think of only Einstein and a few others in recent history who really thought of things previously unimagined.
So, to answer your question, Eagle, there is nothing in the Vatican that we haven't come across before in some way or another.
There are no conspiracy theories.
I knew you were gonna say that 
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Mon Apr 18, 2005 7:56 pm |
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Eagle
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Step outside the box .. um ... box.
Glance back at the box, see the box, now the box, release yourself from the box.
Err yeh I am done.
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Mon Apr 18, 2005 7:57 pm |
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Box
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Eagle wrote: Step outside the box .. um ... box.
Glance back at the box, see the box, now the box, release yourself from the box.
Err yeh I am done.
You deserve to have your ears boxed for this post
And lol! Krem, I've become this predictable? 
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Mon Apr 18, 2005 8:01 pm |
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Caius
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box_2005 wrote: I will say something I have said before and will probably say countless times again in the future:
There is nothing stored anywhere that is not stored somewhere within us already.
Most of the knowledge we have has been thought of before, and most of what we think is new, especially in literature and philosophy, is really recycled from older material. Why else do you think so much of our knowledge goes back to Plato and Aristotle? Because it's knowledge along the same lines.
Knowledge that is genuinely original is extremely rare. In fact, I can think of only Einstein and a few others in recent history who really thought of things previously unimagined.
So, to answer your question, Eagle, there is nothing in the Vatican that we haven't come across before in some way or another.
There are no conspiracy theories.
Hehe, sounds like you believe in Plato's idea of The Form's.
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Mon Apr 18, 2005 8:11 pm |
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A. G.
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I wonder what the ETA is on this stuff getting published. Anyone want to take a guess? I'd be satisfied if it was as soon as 3-5 years.
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Mon Apr 18, 2005 8:24 pm |
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dolcevita
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Eagle wrote: 1.200$ that someone contradicts something in a gospel.
2.Also .. you know that trove of info and items that the cathlioc church has stored away ... wonder whats in there?
1.Well d'uh. The fourth gospel already contradicts the earlier three synoptic ones.
2. All the Jews' stuff.
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Mon Apr 18, 2005 8:35 pm |
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baumer72
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3000.00 bucks says the pope is part of the Illuminati. ](*,)
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Tue Apr 19, 2005 1:46 pm |
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A. G.
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box_2005 wrote: I will say something I have said before and will probably say countless times again in the future:
There is nothing stored anywhere that is not stored somewhere within us already.
Most of the knowledge we have has been thought of before, and most of what we think is new, especially in literature and philosophy, is really recycled from older material. Why else do you think so much of our knowledge goes back to Plato and Aristotle? Because it's knowledge along the same lines.
Knowledge that is genuinely original is extremely rare. In fact, I can think of only Einstein and a few others in recent history who really thought of things previously unimagined.
So, to answer your question, Eagle, there is nothing in the Vatican that we haven't come across before in some way or another.
There are no conspiracy theories.
Actually Einstein was simply following up on previously published works by others, scientists feed off each other just as artists do, they see something published and then take it one step further. If Einstein hadn't come up with his theories, someone else wuold have within 5 years. The community was already going in that direction.
Sorry to be vague but it's been a long time since I was a physics major and read a lot about all that. But that's the gist of it.
The importance of what the Vatican has hidden away isn't that there's some secret to life that we need to know, but that it has lots of cultural and historic value as artifacts. For example, if they had papers of Gallileo's in there or Newton's, it could add to the richness of their legacy. Not that there is some breakthrough hidden.
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Wed Apr 20, 2005 1:06 am |
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Box
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Oh, there's no question that without Planck's research and that of others, Einstein wouldn't be where he is, nd Newton's famous quote, that if he could see farther than anyone else, it was because he stood on the shoulders of giants, is even more applicable now than ever before
Perhaps a better way of phrasing it would be that those who worked on the Quantum theory together collectively produced somethinf original. Would you accept that?
Btw, I consider Gauss to be a greater genius than Einstein, yet how often do you hear Gauss' name in the media?
Also, as I am into literature, I should perhaps say that drama was we have it was in many ways invented by Aeschylus. And by invented, I mean that he was the first to do many of the things we take for granted today, such as have three actors in speaking roles (Sophocles was the first to add a fourth speaking part), and much else.
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