Problem is his death would have been pointless and a wasted sacrifice. The rebels still would have been trapped and I'm sure they would have broke through that wall anyway. I do agree though that Finn does need to be killed off since they have ruined any positive vibes his character may have had after TFA by throwing in this Rose character and him being generally useless and always losing every battle.

I think they should not have let Rose and Finn get captured and instead have had BDT be the master hacker instead of that guy doing the cameo. That way you spend more time in Canto Bight (however it's spelled) w/o R&F failing and you skip all the nonsense animal escape sequence.

Also, since when are guards referred to as Cops in SW and I think the guards used the word Perps...maybe I'm crazy but I thought that was out of place.

SJW Snoozefest......fuck that shit. They didnt even spent money on writing a fucking script and making proper set pieces.

It seems at this point that this is indisputably worse received than Revenge of the Sith, Return of the Jedi, Rogue One and Force Awakens. Possibly even Attack of the Clones had a better reception. It's probably not as hated as The Phantom Menace at this point, but who knows?

Give it time. People will come 'round. The prequels had bad acting and bad dialogue and bad cinematography. Folks in this movie just didn't like story directions. Eventually people will start bragging they liked this movie before it was cool to like it

Pretty pictures draw people in the first time, but it's a good story that keeps them coming back.

My fourth time out with friends.

Me - you really notice things that you wish were cut or changed - I still give it an A
Friend barely any SW knowledge - entertained - A
Friend who disliked TFA - loved it - A
Friend who was so so on TFA - mixed bag - probably a B

I think it's alot like ROTS in that there are quite a few things to like about and wish were changed.

Again the problem with Sith is the dialogue and acting was just so bad

Definitely enjoyed it more than the Force Awakens and appreciated that it tried something deeper character wise. Kylo Ren is an amazing character, one of the SW trilogy's best. Everything from when he and Rey meet in person on is a great blockbuster with the throne room scene as the best. I agree they don't quite stick the casino plot, but on the whole I liked the idea that the whole Finn/Poe/etc. side of the plot comes down to is such a desperate situation with them probably being about to get killed but holding onto slim chance of making it out. It just feels like a more raw plot to come down to just surviving instead of even beginning to win the war. I also agree that part of the plot would've been better if the First Order was scarier and more intimidating. Hux is just the wrong addition to this movie. They had enough humor, they didn't need the gags from the bad guys too.

I feel like this movie makes the prequels better because it shows the whole Jedi order was foolish and out of touch. Luke may the be wisest one here for wanting to dump all the Jedi. The balance between light/darkness is too fragile and power is too corrupting for the Jedi to act as naive as they are circa the Phantom Menace. I do think they could've made Rey slightly darker in this, yea they show her falling into the black hole but it never feels like she's tempted to turn to me or had a reason why she would've. On the whole the combination of Kylo's mission to destroy the past combined with the Force Awakens being this nostalgic copy of the past, is kind of a fascinating decision if it was on purpose. Even the Finn and Rose plot is somewhat meta if you consider characters sneaking onto a ship to disable a shield or tracker, plant bombs, find plans, etc. happens all the time in these movies and you expect the same result here of them succeeding, but for once they fail and seemingly cause everyone's deaths, showing the past is not always repeated and you don't always get to be the hero. This whole movie almost from Luke throwing the lightsabre, Kylo no longer wearing his wannabe Vader helmet, Snoke's early exit, Luke and Kylo not having an epic battle is subverting the expectations based on the past of SW of what's supposed to happen. Is it overkill and trying to be too meta instead of just telling the most awesome story you can? Not sure.

This is movie is both fucking awesome and absurdity flawed. Episode 9 will have epic hype though they would REALLY benefit from announcing Hamil's return as killing him was the stupidest, most unneeded moment.

Classic lines the Alt-Star Wars fans bring into conversations on Facebook

It is good popcorn fair (even though it is a film that challenges viewers on their heroes and on heroism itself)
Luke is not Luke (because characters should stay stagnant)

Also anytime some gives good sound arguments online the neckbeards whine "I'm not going to argue with you"

The movies has legit issues, but give it time and this will be a well liked movie it secretly already is. It's legs were shot because the viewers who WOULD see this film six or seven times are the fans who hated this movie

It's legs were fine. The force Awakens is an obvious outlier for obvious reasons. This pulling a TDKR/AOU/CW should have been more predictable.

They were okay at best

Context matters. Its the middle chapter which obviously limits hype. Its also really fucking long. Most casual fans who wanted to see it went to see it on OW and will wait 2 more years for the next one.

Perhaps. We should all meditate on this one and rejoin the Resistance in two years to fight Kylo? The Knights of Ren? The Lich Sith Lord Snoke? Who knows?

While watching the videos that Shack recommended, I happened across another: The Biggest Flaw in The Last Jedi. Although I don't recommend wasting the whole 13 minutes watching this guy blather on, he does make a great point that the premise of the slow motion space chase is flat out wrong. Spaceships do not require fuel to maintain the same speed because inertia carries them forward indefinitely.

Best review here, after my own of course.

I agree the legs are fine. Star Wars is supposed to be a highly anticipated frontloaded series and it's a sequel. The real exception here is The Force Awakens for whatever reason having amazing WOM.

You are out of your mind.

It has the lowest RT User score of all 9 Star Wars films. Saying it’’s Only better received than the Phantom Menace and on par with Attack of the Clones isn’t unreasonable I don’t think.

What are you?

User score? It's noticeably higher than all the prequels and Rogue One. And RT didn't exist when ESB and ROTJ came out. They both had pretty rough reviews when released. But they were easily better reaction than the prequels.

If you really wanted to get honest reactions it would go like this.

ANH
TFA
ROTJ
TLJ
ESB
ROTS

Those last 3 were all received similar initial reactions.

AOTC (Despite now considered the worst)
TPM

Attack of the Clones is considered worse than The Phantom Menace? It’s a good movie other than the dialogue between Anakin and Padme.

I it is a pointless movie with little in the way of either character development or story too that throws more wild Jedi light saber battles around.

Also considering the romance between Padme and Anakin is paramount to the story here I'd say their lack of chemistry and their poor dialogue is a big deal. This romance also ruins many parts of Sith. Same with even more weak light saber arcobats.

On another note: the prequels and their acrobatic light saber battles were awful and ruined any drama in the Obi Wan vs Anakin light saber battle, made Yoda less interesting, and gave it a video game vibe. HOWEVER, the Qui Gon Jinn/Obi Wan vs Maul is spectacular! Having Maul be acrobatic works for his character and gives him some dynamic. Applying this to all the fights in this trilogy weakens what is arguably the best part of the Prequels trilogy.

I'd like to point out all SW movies are good. There is an obvious cut above the rest, but at the end of the day, all have extremely memorable moments and have helped cinema in some way.

Attack of Clones is the only non essential SW film. and while there are great moments in there, the bad hits way below PM ever did. And Jake Loyd is not a bad actor, he is actually pretty decent in a horribly written role. Qui Gon and Darth Maul were great characters that don't make it to the second film, all you really rely on is ObiWan and Lee and maybe Jango Fett.

The film is just too dam boring most of the time. AOTC should have rectified it, and doubled down on Jedi's not dealing with emotions and politics.

Excellent film. I left pretty dumbfounded how this could get a bad reception by any, but I have since figured out a lot of the story goes against Star Wars lore. I wasn't set in my tracks once during the film with that though. For me this was just a great space drama, Rey and Kylo's story developed really well, it has good action scenes and the run time flew by for me really. Didn't want the film to end. The last shot of the "future rebel boy" I disliked a bit, if it was just the Falcon shooting into space I would have been content. There's a few other things that I think could been better, like I would like to have seen Snoke more developed, or at least knew more of where he came from. And I didn't like how Rose ended up in that battalion of fighters in the end. Didn't feel anything pointed to her being able to be a fighter pilot before. Just because this all had to make sense for them to have her save Fin she had to be there, and I would have liked at this been more organic. So it's not a perfect film, but it's a Star Wars I'm fully behind and has me looking forward to the next episode. The Last Jedi was exciting, engaging, emotional, and with a solid score too. Ridley and Driver are just great, but generally I liked all cast and characters.

A-