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zwackerm
Hold the door!
Joined: Sun Jun 01, 2014 10:26 pm Posts: 21474 Location: West Chester, Pennsylvania
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 Gandalf
 What are your opinions of the character Gandalf? Personally, I think he is quite dull in the Lord of the Rings books that I read (Fellowship and the first bit of Two Towers) and the films liven him up with a good bit of humor, but he is never really developed beyond being a wise old wizard. His best bit of development is that he does not trust himself with the ring because he believes it would corrupt him.
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Tue Oct 18, 2016 12:44 pm |
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Chippy
KJ's Leading Pundit
Joined: Tue Oct 12, 2004 4:45 pm Posts: 63026 Location: Tonight... YOU!
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 Re: Gandalf
_________________trixster wrote: shut the fuck up zwackerm, you're out of your fucking element trixster wrote: chippy is correct
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Tue Oct 18, 2016 12:45 pm |
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_axiom
The Wall
Joined: Wed Jan 26, 2005 10:50 am Posts: 16163 Location: Croatia
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 Re: Gandalf
Shitty deus-ex-machina character. Goes away, comes back just in the right time to save the day. Goes away again. Aaaaaand comes back to save the day just in the nick of time.
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Tue Oct 18, 2016 12:59 pm |
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Jiffy
Forum General
Joined: Sat Dec 18, 2004 2:27 pm Posts: 6152 Location: New York
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 Re: Gandalf
Gandalf the White >> _axiom wrote: Shitty deus-ex-machina character. Goes away, comes back just in the right time to save the day. Goes away again. Aaaaaand comes back to save the day just in the nick of time. Well his cavalry charge at the end of TTT is like the most stunning scene of the entire trilogy.
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Tue Oct 18, 2016 5:42 pm |
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Algren
now we know
Joined: Tue Oct 19, 2004 9:31 pm Posts: 68233 Location: Seattle, WA
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 Re: Gandalf
Don't really care about Gandalf.
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Tue Oct 18, 2016 7:16 pm |
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FILMO
The Original
Joined: Sat Oct 23, 2004 10:19 am Posts: 9808 Location: Suisse
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 Re: Gandalf
and yet he is cooler than all the wizard stuff together in Harry Potter...... 
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Wed Oct 19, 2016 2:54 pm |
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Thegun
On autopilot for the summer
Joined: Thu Oct 21, 2004 10:14 pm Posts: 21856 Location: Walking around somewhere
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 Re: Gandalf
I never trust a guy that needs to clean that much food out of his beard. Unless of course he had a spell that could just instantly clean it. Then I could at least justify it.
He was solid in LOTR, The Hobbit debacle is better left unsaid. Actually the argument might be said that his reprisal makes the movies even worst. His appearance tricked people into thinking the three films had credibility.
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Thu Oct 20, 2016 8:36 am |
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SolC9
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Joined: Fri Jun 24, 2005 11:11 pm Posts: 7195 Location: Wisconsin
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 Re: Gandalf
Spoilers...
From the beginning of FOTR, you get the sense the character is mischievous and looked at with distrust from the general hobbit population. But he is also loved by the children and Frodo. He shapes the journey of Frodo by convincing Bilbo to leave behind the ring. Gandalf, being one of middle-earths protectors, tells Frodo to hide the ring while he goes to find info on it. He returns from his journey to the archives and confirms the identity of the ring as The One Ring. Realizing the danger the Shire is in, and Frodo, he sets Sam and Frodo on a journey to get them out and meet him later. He is going to seek advice of the lead wizard Saruman. Upon arrival, Gandalf discovers that Saruman has turned bad in fear of a returned ancient evil, and Gandalf is taken prisoner. This standoff and escape show that Gandalf is both pure good, and wise in his knowledge to escape. After escaping, Gandalf meets Frodo in Rivendell and a meeting between leaders of the races of middle earth takes place, with Gandalf basically the moderator. The decision is reached to destroy the ring, and when Frodo volunteers to be the ring bearer, Gandalf agrees to guide and protect him on the journey, along with several others. For the first part of this journey, Gandalf watches over Frodo, warns him of dangers, and gives him advice and wise counsel. It's not dissimilar to the relationship between Dumbledore and Harry Potter. You get impression of a true connection between these characters. When their journey turns to the mines of Moria, the group is chased by an ancient demon that is too powerful for them to fight. Gandalf turns to fight and tells the others to go on. When Gandalf falls protecting the rest, you feel real loss (if you haven't read the book).
That is just the first leg of his journey.
This character is AWESOME.
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Tue Oct 25, 2016 10:49 am |
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Chippy
KJ's Leading Pundit
Joined: Tue Oct 12, 2004 4:45 pm Posts: 63026 Location: Tonight... YOU!
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 Re: Gandalf
He's the best wizard character in film history.
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Tue Oct 25, 2016 11:36 am |
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FILMO
The Original
Joined: Sat Oct 23, 2004 10:19 am Posts: 9808 Location: Suisse
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 Re: Gandalf
Mickey Mouse in Fantasia was better althoug I dont support the anti-jewish message from him.
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Tue Oct 25, 2016 3:55 pm |
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zwackerm
Hold the door!
Joined: Sun Jun 01, 2014 10:26 pm Posts: 21474 Location: West Chester, Pennsylvania
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 Re: Gandalf
SolC9 wrote: Spoilers...
From the beginning of FOTR, you get the sense the character is mischievous and looked at with distrust from the general hobbit population. But he is also loved by the children and Frodo. He shapes the journey of Frodo by convincing Bilbo to leave behind the ring. Gandalf, being one of middle-earths protectors, tells Frodo to hide the ring while he goes to find info on it. He returns from his journey to the archives and confirms the identity of the ring as The One Ring. Realizing the danger the Shire is in, and Frodo, he sets Sam and Frodo on a journey to get them out and meet him later. He is going to seek advice of the lead wizard Saruman. Upon arrival, Gandalf discovers that Saruman has turned bad in fear of a returned ancient evil, and Gandalf is taken prisoner. This standoff and escape show that Gandalf is both pure good, and wise in his knowledge to escape. After escaping, Gandalf meets Frodo in Rivendell and a meeting between leaders of the races of middle earth takes place, with Gandalf basically the moderator. The decision is reached to destroy the ring, and when Frodo volunteers to be the ring bearer, Gandalf agrees to guide and protect him on the journey, along with several others. For the first part of this journey, Gandalf watches over Frodo, warns him of dangers, and gives him advice and wise counsel. It's not dissimilar to the relationship between Dumbledore and Harry Potter. You get impression of a true connection between these characters. When their journey turns to the mines of Moria, the group is chased by an ancient demon that is too powerful for them to fight. Gandalf turns to fight and tells the others to go on. When Gandalf falls protecting the rest, you feel real loss (if you haven't read the book).
That is just the first leg of his journey.
This character is AWESOME. I just think they should have gone more into his temptation with the ring, since that is his only real character flaw and it's only glimpsed when he is offered the ring by Frodo at the beginning of Fellowship.
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Tue Oct 25, 2016 4:39 pm |
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Algren
now we know
Joined: Tue Oct 19, 2004 9:31 pm Posts: 68233 Location: Seattle, WA
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 Re: Gandalf
Chippy wrote: He's the best wizard character in film history. Literary too.
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Fri Oct 28, 2016 7:16 pm |
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Jiffy
Forum General
Joined: Sat Dec 18, 2004 2:27 pm Posts: 6152 Location: New York
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 Re: Gandalf
zwackerm wrote: SolC9 wrote: Spoilers...
From the beginning of FOTR, you get the sense the character is mischievous and looked at with distrust from the general hobbit population. But he is also loved by the children and Frodo. He shapes the journey of Frodo by convincing Bilbo to leave behind the ring. Gandalf, being one of middle-earths protectors, tells Frodo to hide the ring while he goes to find info on it. He returns from his journey to the archives and confirms the identity of the ring as The One Ring. Realizing the danger the Shire is in, and Frodo, he sets Sam and Frodo on a journey to get them out and meet him later. He is going to seek advice of the lead wizard Saruman. Upon arrival, Gandalf discovers that Saruman has turned bad in fear of a returned ancient evil, and Gandalf is taken prisoner. This standoff and escape show that Gandalf is both pure good, and wise in his knowledge to escape. After escaping, Gandalf meets Frodo in Rivendell and a meeting between leaders of the races of middle earth takes place, with Gandalf basically the moderator. The decision is reached to destroy the ring, and when Frodo volunteers to be the ring bearer, Gandalf agrees to guide and protect him on the journey, along with several others. For the first part of this journey, Gandalf watches over Frodo, warns him of dangers, and gives him advice and wise counsel. It's not dissimilar to the relationship between Dumbledore and Harry Potter. You get impression of a true connection between these characters. When their journey turns to the mines of Moria, the group is chased by an ancient demon that is too powerful for them to fight. Gandalf turns to fight and tells the others to go on. When Gandalf falls protecting the rest, you feel real loss (if you haven't read the book).
That is just the first leg of his journey.
This character is AWESOME. I just think they should have gone more into his temptation with the ring, since that is his only real character flaw and it's only glimpsed when he is offered the ring by Frodo at the beginning of Fellowship. He's an angelic being/mentor... not supposed to be too rife with character flaws. I think that one scene warning Frodo not to tempt him was sufficient.
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