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Re: Protest voting
It can be, and no doubt some will, but voting third-party (at least this year) is just fucking stupid. Gary Johnson is an idiot who makes Trump look like a political scholar. It also doesn't help that he's actually celebrated his idiocy with Dubya. I'm guessing Trump could name at least two political leaders outside of the US. And Stein is anti-vaccines. She's a doctor...
The country desperately needs a third party, but these two (along with Trump) shouldn't be allowed near a voting booth let alone be on the ballot. And I'm not the biggest Hillary fan either, but at this point, she could come out before the next debate and club a bunch of baby seals, moon everyone, and give everyone the double-finger, and I'd be perfectly fine voting for her. She'd still be the most qualified and presidential.
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Re: Protest voting
I don't know who I'm voting for yet, but I certainly will vote for whoever I think is best, not vote for Hillary just so Trump won't win.
Sat Oct 01, 2016 4:28 pm
Dr. Lecter
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Re: Protest voting
And who are your options, zwackerm?
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Sat Oct 01, 2016 4:32 pm
Shack
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Re: Protest voting
Jmart wrote:
It can be, and no doubt some will, but voting third-party (at least this year) is just fucking stupid. Gary Johnson is an idiot who makes Trump look like a political scholar. It also doesn't help that he's actually celebrated his idiocy with Dubya. I'm guessing Trump could name at least two political leaders outside of the US. And Stein is anti-vaccines. She's a doctor...
Unless it's mixing up lack of political skills with being dumb. He froze in front of the camera a few times, the brain does weird things when under pressure. The same is probably true of W. Bush and Palin to an extent, the track record of college eduction and being politically elected probably says more than them stumbling over words on TV. Overall Gary has political experience as governor of New Mexico (which did well under him I believe) and he appears to be a nice human being, I'd take that over Trump 100 times out of 10.
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Re: Protest voting
Vote for 3rd party is a vote for Trump
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Sat Oct 01, 2016 6:55 pm
Groucho
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Joined: Thu Oct 21, 2004 9:30 pm Posts: 12096 Location: Stroudsburg, PA
Re: Protest voting
We're going to get Hillary or Trump. There is no chance in this world or any other that Stein or Johnson will win, so voting for them is like not voting at all.
There's nothing particularly honorable about throwing away your vote on someone who has no chance. Might as well write in "Mickey Mouse."
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Re: Protest voting
If undecided, don't vote. You'll only hate yourself afterwards when you realise you helped vote in the wrong one.
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Sat Oct 01, 2016 11:03 pm
Jmart
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Re: Protest voting
zwackerm wrote:
I don't know who I'm voting for yet, but I certainly will vote for whoever I think is best, not vote for Hillary just so Trump won't win.
How about that she's the best candidate? See? There ya go! Vote for her for that reason.
Honestly, I don't know how anyone could be undecided at this point. And if you're thinking of voting third party, just cut out the middle man and check next to Trump. Or stay home.
Joined: Fri Oct 22, 2004 8:47 am Posts: 21230 Location: Massachusetts
Re: Protest voting
Shack wrote:
Jmart wrote:
It can be, and no doubt some will, but voting third-party (at least this year) is just fucking stupid. Gary Johnson is an idiot who makes Trump look like a political scholar. It also doesn't help that he's actually celebrated his idiocy with Dubya. I'm guessing Trump could name at least two political leaders outside of the US. And Stein is anti-vaccines. She's a doctor...
Unless it's mixing up lack of political skills with being dumb. He froze in front of the camera a few times, the brain does weird things when under pressure. The same is probably true of W. Bush and Palin to an extent, the track record of college eduction and being politically elected probably says more than them stumbling over words on TV. Overall Gary has political experience as governor of New Mexico (which did well under him I believe) and he appears to be a nice human being, I'd take that over Trump 100 times out of 10.
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June 6 -- Boosting his friend George W. Bush to reporters, Gov. Gary Johnson of New Mexico recalls a conversation they had at a conference on state government. ''George turns to me and says, 'What are they talking about?' I said, 'I don't know.' He said, 'You don't know a thing, do you?' And I said, 'Not one thing.' He said, 'Neither do I.' And we kind of high-fived".
The one time the losertartans had a chance to earn a few votes, they had to nominate a stoner dipshit. Damn them.
Sat Oct 01, 2016 11:52 pm
Dr. Lecter
You must have big rats
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Re: Protest voting
Jmart wrote:
Quote:
June 6 -- Boosting his friend George W. Bush to reporters, Gov. Gary Johnson of New Mexico recalls a conversation they had at a conference on state government. ''George turns to me and says, 'What are they talking about?' I said, 'I don't know.' He said, 'You don't know a thing, do you?' And I said, 'Not one thing.' He said, 'Neither do I.' And we kind of high-fived".
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Sun Oct 02, 2016 12:00 am
Corpse
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Re: Protest voting
Many millennials are still going to support Johnson for the sole reason of "He's third party! Down with the two-party rigged system!". I know a lot of people who "support" Trump, Johnson or Stein for this very reason; it doesn't matter how uninformed and unqualified he, or any other third party candidates happen to be to many of them.
It's perfectly fine to challenge the two-party system/establishment, it'd be for the better, but not when buffoons are your only choices that are exploiting you. Instead of voting for whoever because they're anti-establishment or third party, try to encourage establishing themselves and future candidates in the future as actual qualifying representatives of your vote. It's not going to happen overnight, but overtime, it can build into something more.
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Sun Oct 02, 2016 10:51 am
zwackerm
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Joined: Sun Jun 01, 2014 10:26 pm Posts: 21468 Location: West Chester, Pennsylvania
Re: Protest voting
Jmart wrote:
zwackerm wrote:
I don't know who I'm voting for yet, but I certainly will vote for whoever I think is best, not vote for Hillary just so Trump won't win.
How about that she's the best candidate? See? There ya go! Vote for her for that reason.
Honestly, I don't know how anyone could be undecided at this point. And if you're thinking of voting third party, just cut out the middle man and check next to Trump. Or stay home.
I might vote for her. I will probably decide day of.
And I honestly don't consider myself super politically read yet on this election, it's hard to find unbiased reporting on either candidate. If anyone could suggest objective resources for me, that would be helpful.
Sun Oct 02, 2016 11:56 am
Libs
Sbil
Joined: Tue Oct 12, 2004 3:38 pm Posts: 48677 Location: Arlington, VA
Re: Protest voting
zwackerm, please do not vote for Donald Trump. Honestly.
zwackerm, please do not vote for Donald Trump. Honestly.
Amen.
Sun Oct 02, 2016 1:13 pm
MGKC
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Joined: Tue Oct 12, 2004 10:42 pm Posts: 11808 Location: Kansas City, Kansas
Re: Protest voting
zwackerm wrote:
And I honestly don't consider myself super politically read yet on this election, it's hard to find unbiased reporting on either candidate. If anyone could suggest objective resources for me, that would be helpful.
Obviously not objective, but his segments are always fact-based and well-researched for your typical political comedy show.
Sun Oct 02, 2016 1:44 pm
zwackerm
Hold the door!
Joined: Sun Jun 01, 2014 10:26 pm Posts: 21468 Location: West Chester, Pennsylvania
Re: Protest voting
Honestly, Trumps' cons do outweigh Hillary's and I'll probably vote for her. But I really don't want to. But I probably will.
Most of my friends are aggressively liberal and their intolerance of Trump supporters honestly makes me sympathize for the GOP. Like, my other friend posted that he was supporting Trump on Facebook, and they all legitimately hate him now. I'm not going to vote for Trump for that reason, but the oppression Trump supporters face upsets me.
Sun Oct 02, 2016 4:10 pm
Libs
Sbil
Joined: Tue Oct 12, 2004 3:38 pm Posts: 48677 Location: Arlington, VA
Re: Protest voting
zwackerm wrote:
Honestly, Trumps' cons do outweigh Hillary's and I'll probably vote for her. But I really don't want to. But I probably will.
Most of my friends are aggressively liberal and their intolerance of Trump supporters honestly makes me sympathize for the GOP. Like, my other friend posted that he was supporting Trump on Facebook, and they all legitimately hate him now. I'm not going to vote for Trump for that reason, but the oppression Trump supporters face upsets me.
Probably because 75% (if not more) of Trump's supporters are bigots like he is? You shouldn't feel sympathy for them being persecuted, that's insane. And you shouldn't vote for Trump because you feel bad his supporters are being belittled for being, you know, racist.
The psychopath in this video below (which happened last night at a rally in Pennsylvania, just after the NYT story broke) should not be president of the United States, under any circumstances.
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Sun Oct 02, 2016 4:23 pm
zwackerm
Hold the door!
Joined: Sun Jun 01, 2014 10:26 pm Posts: 21468 Location: West Chester, Pennsylvania
Re: Protest voting
Libs wrote:
zwackerm wrote:
Honestly, Trumps' cons do outweigh Hillary's and I'll probably vote for her. But I really don't want to. But I probably will.
Most of my friends are aggressively liberal and their intolerance of Trump supporters honestly makes me sympathize for the GOP. Like, my other friend posted that he was supporting Trump on Facebook, and they all legitimately hate him now. I'm not going to vote for Trump for that reason, but the oppression Trump supporters face upsets me.
Probably because 75% (if not more) of Trump's supporters are bigots like he is? You shouldn't feel sympathy for them being persecuted, that's insane. And you shouldn't vote for Trump because you feel bad his supporters are being belittled for being, you know, racist.
Well, I'm not. So don't worry.
Most of Trump supporters I talk to ignore the racism, and are just like "he speaks his mind!" And "well Hillary disclosed confidential emails, she's a criminal."
Sun Oct 02, 2016 4:33 pm
Jmart
Superman: The Movie
Joined: Fri Oct 22, 2004 8:47 am Posts: 21230 Location: Massachusetts
Re: Protest voting
zwackerm wrote:
And I honestly don't consider myself super politically read yet on this election, it's hard to find unbiased reporting on either candidate. If anyone could suggest objective resources for me, that would be helpful.
I'm not politically well-read at all either. This is more just common sense.
zwackerm wrote:
but the oppression Trump supporters face upsets me.
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Sun Oct 02, 2016 4:41 pm
Libs
Sbil
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Re: Protest voting
The oppression Trump supporters face (lol) is nothing compared to what most of these people want to do to anyone in this country who's not a straight white man.
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