So I had a friend over tonight, and he is a big time meat eater. Tries to have at least one type of meat in every meal. I asked him what he wanted for dinner, and he said "Anything with meat", knowing full well i'm a vegan and don't keep meat in the house. I figured i'd make him up a traditional meal to not scare him off, so I settled on vegan BLT's. Some organic wheat bread, Vegenaise, Smart Bacon, tomato, and lettuce - and voila! - a vegan BLT. I was actually quite surprised that he ended up not only eating it, but enjoying it. I think I might have even convinced him to come over for dinner once or twice a week. \:D/ . Anywho, just thought i'd share my excitement (and incredibly boring life) with you guys.

Did he know it was a vegan meal?

Yeah. I'm not that manipulative. :razz:

darn..it would have been the best thing in the world if he didn't know, and enjoyed it anyway...well congrats on saving a cow!!!

Cows will still be killed. He didn't save a cow. Suffering is unavoidable and humans eat meat just like most other animals. What's the problem with eating meat?

There's no problem with it. It's your prerogative to put whatever you want in your body for whatever reason. I just personally choose not to put meat/dairy products in my body for a multitude of reasons. Neither of us should be condemned for our decisions.

"For every cow you don't eat, I eat three."

Oh no I understand that. I just don't like it when they make excuses like "It's murder!" It isn't. Eating meat is natural.

Yes, eating meat is natural. And I would eat meat if they were killed, or atleast treated in a fair and just way. I don't speak for everyone, but from the video's i've seen and stories I've seen, I've surely cut down my meat eating; and im happy for that.

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Well suffering is just unavoidable. Tigers and other animals brutally kill other animals for food as well; what is so wrong about that? It is the "circle of life." And suffering is in this life. Vegetarians won't stop meat from going to the market because too many people like meat. Who cares about the animal anyways? What has the animal ever done anyways? The Cow is probably too stupid to know it's being killed anyways. What is the cow going to do, except be turned in a nice burger for me to eat? Sit on its lazy ass and eat grass?

It sounds pretty good actually. I love meat though, and I don't know how long I could go without it.

Well suffering is just unavoidable. Tigers and other animals brutally kill other animals for food as well; what is so wrong about that? It is the "circle of life." And suffering is in this life. Vegetarians won't stop meat from going to the market because too many people like meat. Who cares about the animal anyways? What has the animal ever done anyways? The Cow is probably too stupid to know it's being killed anyways. What is the cow going to do, except be turned in a nice burger for me to eat? Sit on its lazy ass and eat grass?[/quote]

We will see if you feel the same way if the dinosaur is ever brought back. lmao.

Will you be the first person to say, "Eat me, it's natural"?


P.S. This has nothing to do with veg vs. non veg. I still eat some meat. So, I certainly cannot classify myself as a veg. I just found the statement of who cares about the animal kind of dumb. Many people do or their wouldn't be discussions. I respect their opinions. Imagine if people ate dogs like they do in some other countries? Many people would be in outrage if the eating of dogs was legalized here. I mean I could care less for many humans I have come across personally. I think many humans are stupid. Doesn't mean I want a revival of the dinos. Hey, wait. I might have actually stumbled upon a good ideal. What was this discussion about again?

We will see if you feel the same way if the dinosuar is ever brought back. lmao.

Will you be the first person to say, "Eat me, it's natural"?


P.S. This has nothing to do with veg vs. non veg. I still eat some meat. So, I am not a veg. I just found the statement of who cares about the animal anyways stupid. Many people do. I respect their opinions. Imagine if people ate dogs like they do in some other countires? Many people would be in outrage if the eating of dogs was legalized. I mean I could care less for many humans personally. I think many humans are stupid. Doesn't mean I want a revival of the dinos. Hey, wait. I might have actually stumbled upon a good ideal. What was this discussion about again?[/quote]

I won't WANT the dino's to eat me. But if they must survive, and they do eat me, oh well. I'm gone.

i'd like to try that one on a vegan.

"What would you like"
"Oh .. just anything with veggies"
**prepares meat that looks like a banana and cabbage**
"Yum, this is great!"

just doesn't seem to work the same way.

Babies are a good source of protein.

I am a good source of iron.

Replicators would be the shiznit! w00t!!

As I become more conscious of animals and their welfare (honestly), I am more and more considering giving up meat altogether.


However, I know that an abrupt change in diet will never work for me, so I am taking a slow approach to it. I hope to become one in a few years, perhaps.

It's certainly a good way of living, that's for sure. Kudos to those who are, including you makeshift. Was the transition easy, btw, or did it take a while?

Well, becoming a vegetarian was actually quite easy for me. I just decided to stop eating meat one day, and I never went back. Faux meat was a big crutch during the initial transition. You'd be amazed what a Quorn product can do for a craving. You'll notice at that wbesite, though, that all of the meat free Quorn products are only vegetarain, not vegan. This is the case with most faux meat. That brings me to the vegan transition, which was really difficult. Veganism is something that shouldn't be entered into lightly, as it is truly a complete and total lifestyle change. Your diet essentially becomes whole grain products (bread, pasta, rice), fruit, vegetables, beans, and nuts. Tofu will become your best friend. Becoming vegan was one of the most difficult, but ultimatly rewarding experiences i've ever had in my life. It's one of the few things in my life i'm truly proud of. I can't recommend it enough, but it takes insane amounts of discipline and patience with yourself. I'd definitely recommend starting out as a vegetarian. It's incredibly easy to do in this day and age with all of the faux meat products on the market. Like I mentioned above, Quorn is hand's down the best tasting product. The "chicken patties" taste so much like the real thing a lot of vegetarians can't/won't eat them.

Anywho, good luck to you box if you ever do decide to give this a shot. It probably won't be easy, but I think it's something more people should at least try.

Oh boy, more vegan vs. non vegan debates! (Edit: I had to take out the eye-rolling smiley, I had that guy so much. He makes me so mad!)

But, that is not the point of the thread. Good job, Makeshift. It certainly sounds like it went over well. I have to tell you that I had these tofu burgers a few weeks ago, and they were actually really good. Not bad at all. I don't know about a vegan-style BLT, I'd have to try it. It's surprising how good it tastes, and how good it can make you feel, but I'll never even be just a semi-vegan/vegetarian (I know the two are different). Meat for me, but knowing the option is there is good enough for me if I ever need to.

Im happy when a person turns into a vegan,That means there is more meat for me.

You know, if I were an asshole, I'd have the same opinion.

Its hard to dine on soysauced tofu 24 hrs a day, 7 days a week just to supplement the meat source. Its enough to drive one crazy especially when these vegan meals are supposed to taste like meat but all they do is supplement it with salted flour or tofu as I mentioned

Phew, you aren't some whacko PETA-Nazi, like most vegetarians I know of.

True. I could care less what anyone does with their lives, if it makes them happy. But once you start shoving it down someone else's throats, then I get a bit peeved. All the more power to people, if they want to.