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 The Brothers Grimsby
The Brothers Grimsby Quote: Grimsby (released in the United States as The Brothers Grimsby), is an upcoming British spy action comedy film directed by Louis Leterrier and written by Sacha Baron Cohen, Phil Johnston, and Peter Baynham. The film stars Baron Cohen, Mark Strong, Rebel Wilson, Isla Fisher, Annabelle Wallis, Gabourey Sidibe, Penélope Cruz, and Ian McShane. The film is scheduled to be released by Columbia Pictures on 24 February 2016 in the United Kingdom and 11 March 2016 in the United States.
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Fri Feb 12, 2016 12:11 am |
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publicenemy#1
Extraordinary
Joined: Tue Oct 12, 2004 12:25 am Posts: 19444 Location: San Diego
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 Re: The Brothers Grimsby
Has one of the most disgusting scenes I've seen in a film.
I chuckled a bit but it's pretty uneven and no real chemistry between Strong and Cohen. That said I'll give the film credit for going the extreme with some of its gags, even when some of them fall flat.
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Fri Feb 12, 2016 2:11 am |
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Alex Y.
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Joined: Fri Oct 15, 2004 4:47 pm Posts: 5824
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 Re: The Brothers Grimsby
Saw a pre-release screening several months back, so not sure how much they cut out since. But I would rank it above below Borat and above Bruno. An uneven film where certain scenes are extremely funny amongs a few weak scenes as well.
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Fri Mar 11, 2016 2:59 pm |
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thompsoncory
Rachel McAdams Fan
Joined: Sat Oct 23, 2004 11:13 am Posts: 14626 Location: LA / NYC
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 Re: The Brothers Grimsby
This looks ghastly.
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Fri Mar 11, 2016 4:04 pm |
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tree and a half
Cream of the Crop
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I liked Brothers Grimsby, both the gross out and absurd comedy and the Crank style action sequences. Sacha Baron Cohen steadfastly remains the auteur comedian. *A-* +++++++++++++++++++++ BTW, Darren Franich nailed his review of Brothers Grimsby over at Entertainment Weekly: It’s been ten years since Sacha Baron Cohen went Full Phenom with Borat. Has he ever recovered? 2009’s semi-sequel Bruno should have been the great stealth-nuke satire of the Prop 8 era, but Cohen’s candid-camera comedy was already feeling a bit like schtick. But an actual screenplay didn’t do 2012’s The Dictator any favors. Cohen’s talents for media-baiting grotesquerie are unparalleled – like Anchorman 2, The Dictator was less of a movie than a press tour.
Cohen was a presence. He gave good paycheck in Sweeney Todd and Les Miserables. (He couldn’t sing, but he wasn’t alone.) Still, when he showed up onstage at the Oscars in Ali G garb, you worried it was the kickstart of his Legacy Act period. You expect a malcontent to go establishment, to hide behind makeup in Alice in Wonderland sequels.
Here’s what you didn’t expect: That The Brothers Grimsby, an upstairs-downstairs spy comedy, would be Cohen’s best work in a decade. Cohen is Nobby Butcher, a football hooligan from working-class Grimsby. Nobby’s got 11 kids, as many tattoos, and no apparent job; his fashionspiration might be the Plumber’s Crack. Nobby’s also got a hole in his heart. As a child, he was separated from his brother. That brother grew into Sebastian Graves, MI6 superspy, played by Mark Strong.
Strong is one of those British actors you might call “Bond Adjacent.” He’s handsome, withdrawn, looks good killing people. He was the Q analogue in last year’s Kingsman: The Secret Service and a mournful MI6 agent in Tinker Tailor Soldier Spy. If you liked Kingsman, you might not like Grimsby; I sure hated Kingsman, and I sure loved Grimsby. With a filmmaker like Matthew Vaughn, you’re desperately aware of an anxious elitism, a sense that the primary concern is making sure everybody’s suit fits.
Grimsby, by comparison, pairs Cohen with an ideal collaborator. Allow me to come out once and for all as a fan of Louis Leterrier, a trash-candy director of the first order. Like Cohen, Leterrier’s a Euro gone Hollywood. He worked on a couple Transporter movies before making The Incredible Hulk and Clash of the Titans, twin cheesefests deployed right in the thick of blockbuster’s grimdark phase. Leterrier’s got that French thing where he doesn’t mind when things look fake. Maybe he prefers that. His digital effects look like greenscreen; his fight scenes are too choreographed to feel casual; he encourages performers like Tim Roth and Ralph Fiennes to go big. His finest showcase yet was 2013’s Now You See Me, a genre-smashing scenery-gnashing gem. Now You See Me was sort of a superhero movie and sort of a heist movie, except nobody had superpowers and the heists made no sense.
Leterrier’s approach to filmed action mirrors Cohen’s approach to comedy: Scattershot, hyperkinetic, aggressively over-the-top. Too-muchness is the problem, and the point. When we meet Sebastian, he’s on a mission that requires him to kill various people and jump on various vehicles. Leterrier shoots the scene partially in first-person – all spies in this verse have retinal Go-Pros – and it might be the best thing he’s ever done. Leterrier doesn’t do “steady,” but there’s a goofball grace to his staging. (Understanding Leterrier means understanding that he loves martial arts but doesn’t mind pretending Dave Franco knows karate.) At one point in that first scene, we watch through Sebastian’s eyes as he kicks a baddie down the stairs and then shoots him in midair. The whole action takes about a millisecond; Michael Bay’s been chasing a moment like that his whole career.
There’s a pointy-headed film nerd notion called Chaos Cinema, the idea that action movies have declined as action movies have sacrificed careful staging for the aesthetics of a movie trailer. Leterrier’s Chaos combines perfectly with Cohen’s chaos. Barely over 80 minutes long, Grimsby fits in a trip to decadent London and scrubby Grimsby, to Africa and South America. It has one of the single most disgusting sequences in movie history. (Suffice it to say: I have no more questions about elephant physiology.)
There’s a scene where blackbooted government goons storm a football pub, and a couple of foulmouthed children fight back. From a window, someone throws a wheelchair on one goon; when another goon attacks, that same window throws down a living, barking dog. (The kitchen sink is implied.) Rebel Wilson, Penelope Cruz, and Gabourey Sidibe swan in and out, playing their most hyperbolized selves. At the risk of spoiling the plot, this is a movie that involves the quote: “Because of you, the head of the World Health Organization is dead, and Harry Potter has AIDS!”
Not everything in Grimsby works. The parading bad guys should feel more colorful, or at least somehow differentiated. (I have a real soft spot for Scott Adkins, a direct-to-VOD action star who made three movies yesterday, but Grimsby reduces him to a few punches and a frown.) Leterrier’s filmmaking isn’t precise enough to count as parody or satire, so a running flashback origin story is exactly as boring as most flashback origin stories. And the film quickly loses interest in the MI6 side of the equation; Isla Fisher and Ian McShane do lots of screen-staring as the film’s variations of Moneypenny and M.
But credit Grimsby for landing on a sledgehammer point. The movie takes the brother’s snob-vs-slob backgrounds seriously. An MI6 agent calls Nobby “working class scum,” and that classist insult reverberates throughout the film. Grimsby’s biggest idea is that James Bond’s England is also Mike Leigh’s England. Leterrier’s best visual gag is just shooting Sebastian – tall, dark, shimmeringly bald – inside Nobby’s cruddy house, a saggy-walled hovel where foulmouthed adolescents watch Breaking Bad. Crucially, it’s Sebastian who seems unusual. He might as well be an alien, or one of the Eternals from Zardoz.
This is also the kind of movie where a baby wearing a diaper and English-Flag facepaint walks through a bar carrying a half-full pint of beer, and the kind of movie where more than one set of private parts are thrust right into Sacha Baron Cohen’s face – and yours. God help me, I laughed. B+
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David
Pure Phase
Joined: Tue Feb 15, 2005 7:33 am Posts: 34865 Location: Maryland
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 Re: The Brothers Grimsby
In The Brothers Grimsby, master of comic disguise Sacha Baron Cohen plays a North East Lincolnshire hooligan, a Gallagher-brother swirl of lager, machismo, and sentimentality who dreams of reuniting with his long-lost brother. The brother, it turns out, has become a bullet-headed, highly trained MI6 operative played by Mark Strong. After an unexpected encounter in London, the once-inseparable-but-now-ill-matched duo are thrust into a deadly international conspiracy involving the World Health Organization and an extremist sect. The plot is predictably flimsy, but this very absurd, very dirty comedy delivers almost nonstop hilarity via sly one-liners and taboo-obliterating set pieces. Both stars are in fine form: it is relatively novel to see Strong's chiseled intensity utilized as a protagonist, and he is a game straight man to the wild Baron Cohen, whose rudely heartfelt parody of daft pub bluster is well-drawn and dynamic. The film even has a few neat and exciting first-person chase and fight sequences courtesy of French director Louis Leterrier, whose previous credits include the Jet Li curiosity Unleashed and early Marvel Cinematic Universe entry The Incredible Hulk. Rarely does the first part of the action-comedy fusion hold up as well as it does here. My only real complaint of substance involves the wanton squandering of a litany of talented female co-stars, including Isla Fisher, Gabourey Sidibe, Annabelle Wallis, Rebel Wilson, and, most inexplicably, Penélope Cruz.
B+
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MadGez
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The above two reviews and some "professional" reviews ive read + listening to SBC talk about making this film has me interested.
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Thegun
On autopilot for the summer
Joined: Thu Oct 21, 2004 10:14 pm Posts: 21896 Location: Walking around somewhere
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tree and a half wrote: I liked Brothers Grimsby, both the gross out and absurd comedy and the Crank style action sequences. Sacha Baron Cohen steadfastly remains the auteur comedian. *A-* +++++++++++++++++++++ BTW, Darren Franich nailed his review of Brothers Grimsby over at Entertainment Weekly: It’s been ten years since Sacha Baron Cohen went Full Phenom with Borat. Has he ever recovered? 2009’s semi-sequel Bruno should have been the great stealth-nuke satire of the Prop 8 era, but Cohen’s candid-camera comedy was already feeling a bit like schtick. But an actual screenplay didn’t do 2012’s The Dictator any favors. Cohen’s talents for media-baiting grotesquerie are unparalleled – like Anchorman 2, The Dictator was less of a movie than a press tour.
Cohen was a presence. He gave good paycheck in Sweeney Todd and Les Miserables. (He couldn’t sing, but he wasn’t alone.) Still, when he showed up onstage at the Oscars in Ali G garb, you worried it was the kickstart of his Legacy Act period. You expect a malcontent to go establishment, to hide behind makeup in Alice in Wonderland sequels.
Here’s what you didn’t expect: That The Brothers Grimsby, an upstairs-downstairs spy comedy, would be Cohen’s best work in a decade. Cohen is Nobby Butcher, a football hooligan from working-class Grimsby. Nobby’s got 11 kids, as many tattoos, and no apparent job; his fashionspiration might be the Plumber’s Crack. Nobby’s also got a hole in his heart. As a child, he was separated from his brother. That brother grew into Sebastian Graves, MI6 superspy, played by Mark Strong.
Strong is one of those British actors you might call “Bond Adjacent.” He’s handsome, withdrawn, looks good killing people. He was the Q analogue in last year’s Kingsman: The Secret Service and a mournful MI6 agent in Tinker Tailor Soldier Spy. If you liked Kingsman, you might not like Grimsby; I sure hated Kingsman, and I sure loved Grimsby. With a filmmaker like Matthew Vaughn, you’re desperately aware of an anxious elitism, a sense that the primary concern is making sure everybody’s suit fits.
Grimsby, by comparison, pairs Cohen with an ideal collaborator. Allow me to come out once and for all as a fan of Louis Leterrier, a trash-candy director of the first order. Like Cohen, Leterrier’s a Euro gone Hollywood. He worked on a couple Transporter movies before making The Incredible Hulk and Clash of the Titans, twin cheesefests deployed right in the thick of blockbuster’s grimdark phase. Leterrier’s got that French thing where he doesn’t mind when things look fake. Maybe he prefers that. His digital effects look like greenscreen; his fight scenes are too choreographed to feel casual; he encourages performers like Tim Roth and Ralph Fiennes to go big. His finest showcase yet was 2013’s Now You See Me, a genre-smashing scenery-gnashing gem. Now You See Me was sort of a superhero movie and sort of a heist movie, except nobody had superpowers and the heists made no sense.
Leterrier’s approach to filmed action mirrors Cohen’s approach to comedy: Scattershot, hyperkinetic, aggressively over-the-top. Too-muchness is the problem, and the point. When we meet Sebastian, he’s on a mission that requires him to kill various people and jump on various vehicles. Leterrier shoots the scene partially in first-person – all spies in this verse have retinal Go-Pros – and it might be the best thing he’s ever done. Leterrier doesn’t do “steady,” but there’s a goofball grace to his staging. (Understanding Leterrier means understanding that he loves martial arts but doesn’t mind pretending Dave Franco knows karate.) At one point in that first scene, we watch through Sebastian’s eyes as he kicks a baddie down the stairs and then shoots him in midair. The whole action takes about a millisecond; Michael Bay’s been chasing a moment like that his whole career.
There’s a pointy-headed film nerd notion called Chaos Cinema, the idea that action movies have declined as action movies have sacrificed careful staging for the aesthetics of a movie trailer. Leterrier’s Chaos combines perfectly with Cohen’s chaos. Barely over 80 minutes long, Grimsby fits in a trip to decadent London and scrubby Grimsby, to Africa and South America. It has one of the single most disgusting sequences in movie history. (Suffice it to say: I have no more questions about elephant physiology.)
There’s a scene where blackbooted government goons storm a football pub, and a couple of foulmouthed children fight back. From a window, someone throws a wheelchair on one goon; when another goon attacks, that same window throws down a living, barking dog. (The kitchen sink is implied.) Rebel Wilson, Penelope Cruz, and Gabourey Sidibe swan in and out, playing their most hyperbolized selves. At the risk of spoiling the plot, this is a movie that involves the quote: “Because of you, the head of the World Health Organization is dead, and Harry Potter has AIDS!”
Not everything in Grimsby works. The parading bad guys should feel more colorful, or at least somehow differentiated. (I have a real soft spot for Scott Adkins, a direct-to-VOD action star who made three movies yesterday, but Grimsby reduces him to a few punches and a frown.) Leterrier’s filmmaking isn’t precise enough to count as parody or satire, so a running flashback origin story is exactly as boring as most flashback origin stories. And the film quickly loses interest in the MI6 side of the equation; Isla Fisher and Ian McShane do lots of screen-staring as the film’s variations of Moneypenny and M.
But credit Grimsby for landing on a sledgehammer point. The movie takes the brother’s snob-vs-slob backgrounds seriously. An MI6 agent calls Nobby “working class scum,” and that classist insult reverberates throughout the film. Grimsby’s biggest idea is that James Bond’s England is also Mike Leigh’s England. Leterrier’s best visual gag is just shooting Sebastian – tall, dark, shimmeringly bald – inside Nobby’s cruddy house, a saggy-walled hovel where foulmouthed adolescents watch Breaking Bad. Crucially, it’s Sebastian who seems unusual. He might as well be an alien, or one of the Eternals from Zardoz.
This is also the kind of movie where a baby wearing a diaper and English-Flag facepaint walks through a bar carrying a half-full pint of beer, and the kind of movie where more than one set of private parts are thrust right into Sacha Baron Cohen’s face – and yours. God help me, I laughed. B+ How exactly is SBC an auteur? All comedians are the central force in their routines, etc. Auteur is a term for the director. In this case the directors have been mostly glorified cinematographers for his movies. Well the adaptations. SBC last two films are even less original than Adam Sandler's recent
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Tue Mar 15, 2016 1:36 pm |
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tree and a half
Cream of the Crop
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 Re: The Brothers Grimsby
Thegun wrote: How exactly is SBC an auteur? All comedians are the central force in their routines, etc. Auteur is a term for the director. You're right. In it's formal use in cinema terminology, it refers strictly to directors. I was using the term auteur in a broader sense, as you say: "the central force in their routines", and in particular as the author of his screenplays. Not many current screen comedians write their own movies.
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Tue Mar 15, 2016 1:45 pm |
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Thegun
On autopilot for the summer
Joined: Thu Oct 21, 2004 10:14 pm Posts: 21896 Location: Walking around somewhere
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Off the top of my head:
Amy Schumer, Kristen Wiig, Simon Pegg, Seth Rogen, Ben Stiller, Tyler Perry, Woody Allen, Jason Segel, Seth McFarlane, Mike Myers, Adam Sandler (Always has a hand in it) Steve Carell, Will Farrell, Paul Rudd, Mel Brooks.
Paul Feig, Apatow, and McKay also work heavily with their actors on the script, and were comedians themselves.
A lot of his praised earlier work was unscripted too. And his character work turning to a theatrical release is nothing that unheard of from Pee Wee Herman, Madea, Mike Myers, etc.
Sorry if it seems I'm trying to really debate this. I think he can be extremely talented, just don't think he really is someone who broke the mold.
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Tue Mar 15, 2016 2:30 pm |
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tree and a half
Cream of the Crop
Joined: Mon Jan 11, 2016 11:38 am Posts: 2084
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Thegun wrote: Off the top of my head:
Amy Schumer, Kristen Wiig, Simon Pegg, Seth Rogen, Ben Stiller, Tyler Perry, Woody Allen, Jason Segel, Seth McFarlane, Mike Myers, Adam Sandler (Always has a hand in it) Steve Carell, Will Farrell, Paul Rudd, Mel Brooks.
Paul Feig, Apatow, and McKay also work heavily with their actors on the script, and were comedians themselves.
A lot of his praised earlier work was unscripted too. And his character work turning to a theatrical release is nothing that unheard of from Pee Wee Herman, Madea, Mike Myers, etc.
Sorry if it seems I'm trying to really debate this. I think he can be extremely talented, just don't think he really is someone who broke the mold. First let's recap. Here's what I said: tree and a half wrote: You're right. My comment about Sacha Baron Cohen in my review above was simply made to express my admiration for his talent in creating his own movies. As you have pointed out, he is not the only one to do so, but then this particular thread is about one of his movies. As for your examples, I agree with Woody Allen of course, he is an auteur in the complete sense of the word. Mel Brooks is close behind. And Mike Meyers and Simon Pegg are perhaps most analogous to SBC, writing their own best work and choosing talented directors. I've never seen any of the Madea movies, but from what I understand, Tyler Perry would be another good example. Amy Schumer, Kristen Wiig, Jason Segel, Seth Rogen, Steve Carrell, Paul Reubens and Ben Stiller have written only one great comedy movie each. They are amazing performers, and I have every hope they will write many more great comedy movies in their future careers, but I wouldn't include them in my narrower defintion of auteur. Will Ferrell has a writing credit on three great comedy movies, though I suspect the primary creative force behind them was his co-sriter/director Adam McKay, with Ferrell enhancing his own characters parts. I also suspect Adam Sandler works in a similar manner, working with truly great writers to flesh out his comedy ideas and natural character building talent. Paul Rudd also would fit into this group, but his writing contribution would be even less than the Ferrell and Sandler in his two writing credits. Paul Feig, Judd Apatow and Adam McKay are irrelevant to this discussion. Thegun wrote: Sorry if it seems I'm trying to really debate this. I think he can be extremely talented, just don't think he really is someone who broke the mold. No need to apologize (except perhaps for derailing this thread), it's an interesting discussion imho. But to get back to my point: tree and a half wrote: I was using the term auteur in a broader sense, as you say: "the central force in their routines", and in particular as the author of his screenplays. Not many current screen comedians write their own movies. With Mike Meyers in hibernation, Mel Brooks long retired from active screenwriting, Tyler Perry off my radar and Simon Pegg who sadly seems to have strayed from his own 'auteur' projects and been seduced into working as a hired gun, that only leaves Woody Allen who really isn't in the same category, though upon further thought his early absurd and transgressive works do bear some marked similarities to those of SBC (plus Woody rarely stars in his own movies anymore). In my own narrow little view of things, that leaves Sacha Baron Cohen standing on his own at present.  But enough of this digression. What did you think of The Brothers Grimsby?
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Jack Sparrow
KJ's Leading Idiot
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I liked this one MUCH better than Bruno even though the chemistry isn't there. The movie never even once tries to be smart and still delivers laughs (as many as it can land). Regardless of over-the-top comedy it works thanks to SBC. Mark Strong comes out much weaker in this movie but I guess that was by design of the movie.
6/10
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Thegun
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Sorry tree but if I quote that I'm reading that til Christmas
What I will say about the screenplay argument SBC has never written a full script, not that he is remembered for. I know of 7 fantastic Mike Meyers characters. He will forever be credited, true of trailers as the guy who brought you BorAt. He is a Pee Wee Napolian dynamite. That's all, unless you were a fan of his earlier stuff which was funnier, the same characters and better
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Dil
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It was entertaining, but I didn't like how it relied so heavily on gross out humor. I actually bought the brotherly bond between Cohen and Strong eventhough it did feel a bit forced at times. The action sequences were also handled well, but Scott Adkins was completely wasted and so was the majority of the female cast, especially Cruz/Fisher.
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stuffp
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The film is great in doses, with some brilliant jokes. Unfortunately that's all it has to offer, Sasha Baron has a natural comedy to himself, and Strong is good in his stoic character too. The rest of the cast is pretty much non-existent. Cruz, Fisher, McShane they're good in the small parts they have, but they really have not much to do. It's all and just about the titular characters, and it's only fun half the time. There are a lot of vulgar jokes which just don't hit with me at all and the story overall I find of little interest. I found the POV cam annoying and I don't see in anything why they had to get a director with a name in Letterier to get involved with this. The film does have a sweet and short run time of about 80min, and I also didn't need another minute of it. When the jokes are good it's fun, but as a developing story it's just a big dud. I liked the flashbacks even it's not adding anything either. I wouldn't mind seeing this as a web series with 5 min. episodes, however as a film it's too failing.
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Jack Sparrow
KJ's Leading Idiot
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Saw this again and I didn't enjoy it as much this time. It does fine with the laughs but the spy stuff and chemistry between the two leads brings this down.
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