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RIP. I listened to some of his songs and saw some of his movies. And many musicians I liked claimed Bowie influenced them most. But to form an image of him based on his artistic works, I could not. I just need to know more about him. What Bowie songs or movies do you think were most representative of him?

This is a tricky question because Bowie changed his style frequently. He had an R&B, electronic, rock, and disco phase in the '70s alone. The commonalities were always his gorgeous voice and some of his lyrical themes.

IMO, you can't go wrong with: Hunky Dory, Ziggy Stardust, Aladdin Sane, Station to Station, and Low.

His later works are more hit-or-miss. I wouldn't start with Blackstar - because I think it's too stark and meditative for someone looking to get into Bowie. But Earthling, Heathen, Reality, Hours, and The Next Day all have their moments. Reality is probably the one to get -- that was his first "farewell" album.


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The Next Day is a good modern intro album for Bowie. The Stars (Are Out Tonight) is an amazing single.


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RIP. I listened to some of his songs and saw some of his movies. And many musicians I liked claimed Bowie influenced them most. But to form an image of him based on his artistic works, I could not. I just need to know more about him. What Bowie songs or movies do you think were most representative of him?


Space Oddity, Ashes to Ashes, Modern Love, Heroes, Under Pressure (with Freddy Mercury and Queen), ...

As for movies: The Man Who Fell to Earth, The Hunger, Merry Christmas Mr. Lawrence, Labyrinth,...

And you should try to see the German movie Christiane F. - Wir Kinder vom Bahnhof Zoo as his artistic presence plays a very important part in the movie.

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I wore out my "Peter & The Wolf" cassette tape as a five-year-old.

Today sucks.


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So it turns out that "Blackstar" and the video for it have a special meaning.
I instead played this song today.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tgcc5V9Hu3g

The Lazarus video is bad ass. He bids goodbye in one of his "Station to Station" outfits (from a time when he almost died from drug use; he claimed to never remember making that album).

I kind of wonder whether James Murphy's participation on Blackstar prompted the LCD Soundsystem reunion. He played on a few tracks. Seems like he (and other musicians) must have known. Tony Visconti confirmed he knew, at least.

I'm also surprised how "under wraps" the news has been. He made a public appearance a few months ago - looking handsome as ever. There's been no TMZ bombshells or anything. It's actually refreshing how appropriate the coverage has been.


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Same day my dog of 12 years died. Needless to say this was not good weekend.

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Today is a lot like how it was when Lennon died.


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Echos of the Past Reawoken

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Fuck. This is big.

When you're young and older celebrities die, it feels like it's not a big deal, but as you yourself get older, the celebs that start dying are the ones that have had a bigger impact on your life. This just feels important, and I'm hardly a Bowie fan.


Same here. When my wife and I bought our house a few years ago, a friend of mine helped me repaint our Sun room a sky or Carolina blue. He had a mix of stuff he liked like Hunky Dory, The White Album, and Abbey Road mixed with some random songs from CCR, The Band, Dylan, and Lynyrd Skynard, bands I liked. I realized I had never really heard the whole album outside of Changes, and a few of the other songs sporadically on the radio and at parties.

I realized I had never given him much of a chance and searched out the touchstone of my youth, former Village Voice music critic, Robert Christgau for his take on the album.

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Hunky Dory [RCA Victor, 1971]

After two overwrought excursions for Mercury this ambitious, brainy, imaginative singer-composer has created an album that rewards the concentration it demands instead of making you wish you'd gone on with the vacuuming. Not that he combines the passion and compassion of Dylan (subject of one song) with the full-witted vision of Warhol (subject of a better one) just yet. But he has a nice feeling for weirdos, himself included.
A-


Then I perused his other writings on Bowie and came across this written on the HD tour before Ziggy Stardust broke him in America.

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A Superstar in the Making?

Preceding David Bowie's New York debut at Carnegie Hall last night was a persistent no-talent named Ruth Copeland, who has been trying to prove that beauty is only skin deep for several years now. Since it is conceivable that Bowie will turn into a major star, this seemed like a piece of short-sighted selfishness on the part of the agency that books both of them. But it served a function. Not only did it build up anticipation for Bowie, who had to look good in comparison, but it demonstrated what a truly empty hype looks like. Bowie's hype has content.

...

The most obvious solution would be spectacular music. In the studio, Bowie has achieved true innovations--first album for RCA, Hunky Dory, was a small masterpiece of production, and he has written some excellent melodies and lyrics, although not consistently. But on stage, all of that echo and overdubbing and mixing reduces down to some rather conventional rock and roll. None of his musicians even faintly distinguished himself as a soloist, and Bowie has not developed a single style--or for that matter a stage demeanor--that communicates anything special or exciting. For me, last night's musical high points were provided by two Velvet Underground songs, self-consciously monomaniacal hard rock designed for musicians of limited competence. I think Bowie would be a nice superstar. He evinces intelligent interest in the human condition, all couched in acceptable science-fiction terms, and in this time of cultural myopia such an interest is very welcome. Moreover, his winsomeness is a welcome change from the normal star megalomania. But I'm just not sure he can bring it off. Does young America want to hear songs that are Andy Warhol from some English fairy? If so, the kids will provide Bowie with the sort of aura that will obliterate all big-league criticisms. If not, he will remain what he is now--a moderately interesting cult hero.

N'day, Sept. 29, 1972


http://www.robertchristgau.com/xg/news/nd720929.php

I don't know how to explain to the kids what it was like back in the 1970's and early 1980's. There was no internet. If music or movies really spoke to you, most were treated as an ostracized weirdo like Kurt Cobain or Tim Burton. Robert Christgau in the VV and Pauline Kael film critic for The New Yorker spoke to many interested in these mediums out in the hinterlands through their local public library.

I don't know if people listen to REM anymore, but critics like Robert Christgau championed artists like them. In the late 1960's and early 1970's, the music world was very New York centric and Christgau tried to democratize and open it up to the rest of the nation with his Pazz and Jop polls (a typo that stuck) of nationwide music critics which started in 1971. By the time REM was breaking on the national scene it was not quite as New York centered and places like Minneapolis and Athens, GA were recognized as being as important as San Francisco and the Mersey sound in the 1960s and Punk in England in 1975-76. Seatle would be another origin of reinvention or revolution later in the decade.


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It's the End of the World as We Know It (And I Feel Fine)

That's great, it starts with an earthquake
Birds and snakes, an aeroplane, and Lenny Bruce is not afraid

...

The other night I tripped a nice continental drift divide
Mount St. Edelite, Leonard Bernstein
Leonid Breshnev, Lenny Bruce and Lester Bangs Birthday party, cheesecake, jelly bean, boom
You symbiotic, patriotic, slam but neck, right? Right


Rock critics like Christgau, LB ("Philip Seymour Hoffman's character in Almost Famous"), Greil Marcus, Dave Marsh and countless others championed artists like Bowie, Springsteen and Marley. Avatar producer Jon Landau and director Cameron Crowe came out of this group.

Since I dredged up that lyric, I thought I would point out that I have always had trouble deciphering lyrics or hearing exactly what the artist sings. In the above song, I always thought it was "..it starts with an earthquake, virgin snakes." Later I always thought it was "jellybean, vermouth..."

So, when I started high school, and I began listening to the local rock station. Whenever "Suffragette City" played I would sing along with what I thought were the lyrics. I finally asked someone at school who was into Bowie, what is the title of that song that goes "You're so fuckin' conceited" since I thought that might be the title. I was also suprised they were allowed to play it with FCC rules. They looked at my like I was from Mars. Then I started singing the lyrics, "oh don't lean on me man 'cause you can't afford the ticket, you're so fuckin' conceited." They were like that is Suffragette City. I was like why is it called that? They explained that was the title and the words I thought I heard he was singing were Suffragette City.

I started understanding the world around me just after Bowie blew up with Ziggy. It was post The Beatles breaking up. I was into the Raspberries, because I was five and they sounded the most like The Beatles. Glam rock and sexual ambiguity was very scary to a mid-western Kansas kid in the early 1970s. He really did seem like a man from outer space or an alien. I didn't undersand his constant shifting personalities for each new album, until later in the decade when I was older. At the time, I didn't really care for his music which now many consider his peak or at least comparable to his earlier output. I didn't care for the singles like "Fame", and "Fashion" when they came out, but later grew on me. "Young Americans" might be his best single and I hated it at the time.

Radio at the time was balkanizing into classic rock, urban, and pop formats. The integration of the late sixties and early seventies was being resegregated for the coming Reagan Revolution and the rise of talk radio on the AM. If you wanted something safe and comforting Bowie was not for you. He was constantly reinventing himself and incorporating new musical styles which at times he had not yet mastered or was even proficent. So expectations of his output were dependant on how much slack you were willing to give him for trying something he hadn't quite figured out. I didn't at the time, but later and now appreciate his effort to grow and change with his interests. His attempt to take his audience along with him is admirable.

I have a hard time seperating his love of metallic music and sound which came out in the late 1970s and Tin Machine phase with his folky roots which came out in his early 70s output and sporadically from time to time later. He seemed to ebb and flow between trying to make a human connection with his lyrics and sound, then reverting to a more remote communication through the sounds of machines and technology. Many times it left me cold.

As I get older, I find it shocking how young artists like Dylan, Bowie, and others were when they would make a song about reminiscence or nostalgia. For instance, Bob Seeger's "Night Moves" album was a staple in the Midwest growing up. The first two songs are about a man barely in his 30s looking back a decade or so earlier at his life and comparing it to the present. As a teenager, it sounded like Satchel Paige reminiscing about the Negro Leagues.
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Rock And Roll Never Forgets

So you're a little bit older and a lot less bolder
Than you used to be
So you used to shake 'em down
But now you stop and think about your dignity
So now sweet sixteens turned thirty-one

...

Well all Chuck's children are out there playing his licks
Get into your kicks
Come back baby
Rock 'n Roll never forgets
Said you can come back baby
Rock 'n Roll never forgets


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Night Moves

I was a little too tall
Could've used a few pounds

...

I woke last night to the sound of thunder
How far off I sat and wondered
Started humming a song from 1962
Ain't it funny how the night moves
When you just don't seem to have as much to lose
Strange how the night moves
With autumn closing in



On the openig track when I first listened to it, at the time 31 seemed really old. Listening in the back of the car as my parents drove, as a pre-teen I thought "wow, she sounds like an old hag." Only as I started college did I relate more to the song and its encapsulation of the tension between the dichatomy of trying to grow up and not necessarily grow old. There is a difference which is difficult to understand when you have little reference.

On the title track, Seeger did a great job of evoking looking back wistfully with just a few words and his voice in the openig moments of the song. I wonder how he would think about it now looking back. 31 is really more like the 4th of July, if you make it to 80 or 90. There is too much fatalism in rock and roll when artists turn 30 as they finally stare into the abyss and start to acknowledge they no longer feel immortal.

When you are young a few years is a big chunk of time. A seemingly different period of your life, "oh that was back in middle school", if you are a junior in high school. A decade seems like an eternity, because in your frame of reference that is most of your conscious lifetime.

A year is now the equivalent of a season, when I was a kid. A decade is the equivalent of a few years. As another contemporary of Bowie's once sang, "Time keeps on slipping, slipping into the future.."

Which is where Bowie and Rock intertwined in the early 1970s. Rock & Roll was no longer a fad or phase. It was no longer considered just teen music. It was now the dominant form of popular music. It had been mostly optimistic and looking forward in its first decade but by the mid to late 60s had grown darker and was more complex. How was it going to navigate maturity?

Bowie's response was to constantly reinvent himself and explore dance music, electro, and whatever interested him in the moment. Many times it was something the masses would glom onto a few years later. Bowie along with his fellow glam mate Bryan Ferry (at least their personas) personified the hedonism that would become prevalent later in the decade.

The 1970's were the Great Dissolutionment. In the US, the public was dealing with the repercussions of Watergate and the failed Vietnam War. The rest of the country got a glimpse into what the South felt after losing the Civil War or the WWI veterans returning to peace time on both sides of the war. Instead of looking inward into our collective failings and faults the majority escaped into drugs and alcohol which reached their highest per capita consumption rates in the the mid 1970s. Disco and other forms of music were other acceptable ways of escaping reality.

In th UK, the loss of the Empire and the resulting loss of prestige and resources brought about a weak economy by the 1970s. Youth had no future as far as they could tell, which was why Punk exploded and seemed like it might incite a revolution or at least a rebellion.

Bowie was too old and too established to be seen as a punk. However, he could see and feel the desperation the next generation was facing when he wrote what I think is his best song.

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All the Young Dudes

Billy rapped all night 'bout his suicide
How he'd kick it in the head when he was 25
Don't wanna stay alive when you're 25

Wendy's stealing clothes from unlocked cars
Freddy's got spots from ripping off stars from his face
Funky little boat race
The television man is crazy
Saying we're juvenile delinquent wrecks
Man I need a TV when I've got T. Rex
Hey brother you guessed I'm a dude

....

And my brother's back at home
With his Beatles and his Stones
We never got if off on that revolution stuff


It is confusing because the narrator is falling down drunk. Yet, it hints at classism, declining economic prospects, the strength of tribal identification, sexual ambiguity, and other hazards facing the next generation. It is brilliant at how it evokes so many feelings in so few words. It is a time capsule to a certain time and a certain feeling whenever one hears it. It is an elegiac ode to an uncertain future when written, and a time gone by now.

Returning to Robert Chrisgau, this is what he wrote about Brian Wilson's long lost rumored masterpiece, Smile.

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SMiLE [Nonesuch, 2004]

There are many things I don't miss about the '60s, including long hair, LSD, revolutionary rhetoric, and folkies playing drums. But the affluent optimism that preceded and then secretly pervaded the decade's apocalyptic alienation is a lost treasure of a time when capitalism had so much slack in it that there was no pressing need to stop your mind from wandering. Brian Wilson grokked surfing because it embodied that optimism, and though I considered the legend of Smile hot air back then, this re-creation proves he had plenty more to make of it. The five titles played for minimalist whimsy on Smiley Smile mean even more orchestrated, and the newly released fragments are as strong as the whole songs they tie together. Smile's post-adolescent utopia isn't disfigured by Brian's thickened, soured 62-year-old voice. It's ennobled--the material limitations of its sunny artifice and pretentious tomfoolery acknowledged and joyfully engaged. This can only be tonic for Americans long since browbeaten into lowering their expectations by the rich men who are stealing their money. A+


http://www.robertchristgau.com/get_arti ... ian+wilson

Now with Bowie's passing I can't help but think the bold section above could be a stated about Bowie's talent when he gave "All the Young Dudes" away to a band on the verge of breaking up Mott the Hoople. He had such a surplus of talent and ideas in the early 1970s he was willing to hand over a certain hit to give a struggling band a lifeline. Without his help that band would not have gone on to have such classic albums as "All...Dudes", "Mott" and "The Hoople."

I can't think of a more fitting coda for the man's talent, his legacy, and his generousity.

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A posted a bunch of tribute cartoons on my blog if you're interested:

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Dale Griffin, the drummer for Mott the Hoople, the band which turned the Bowie-penned "All the Young Dudes" into a radio hit, has died at the age of 67.

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They got a record contract in early 1969 and went to London to record under producer Guy Stevens, who renamed the band Mott the Hoople after a 1967 novel by Willard Manus. Not long after, Tippens was ousted by vocalist Ian Hunter, although he remained as their road manager.

Although they built up a cult following (a raucous gig at the Royal Albert Hall led to the venue banning rock acts), they struggled to sell records and were on the verge of breaking up in 1972, until Bowie stepped in and persuaded them to stay together, placing them under the care of his manager Tony De Fries.

He also offered them the song Suffragette City - but they wanted Drive-In Saturday instead.

Bowie refused to give it up, but wrote them the anthemic All The Young Dudes instead (its narrative forms part of the story of Bowie's alter-ego Ziggy Stardust).

The song reached number three in the UK and the top 40 in America, giving the band a new lease of life. Later albums produced hits such as Honaloochie Boogie, All The Way From Memphis and Golden Age of Rock'n'Roll.


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Dale Griffin had been in poor health for years. He couldn't play the reunion shows in 2009, only the encores. Martin Chambers had to fill in. Dale was probably the most screwed by the demise of Mott. His death while still sad, was not shocking. I'd been expecting it since I heard he wasn't well enough to play the full concerts.

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Apparently, they are going to release another Bowie album in 2017 of unreleased material.


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RIP

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Right after the new album too.

Bowie always was a master of marketing/finance. ;)


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Master of marketing???? Let me remind you...



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"Produced to raise money for the Live Aid famine relief cause, 'Dancing in the Street' topped the UK charts for four weeks, and reached number seven in the United States."

Not bad for a cover song.


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Not bad for two closet homosexuals.

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Not bad for two closet homosexuals.

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Not bad for two closet homosexuals.

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I'm glad tree and a half is here. He's really brought KJ's humour level up to 1996. :thumbsup:

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I'm glad tree and a half is here. He's really brought KJ's humour level up to 1996. :thumbsup:


who da hell is tree and a half? old member?

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I have no idea, but he posted above. He/she seems more interesting/knowledgeable than most on here.

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