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thompsoncory
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Joined: Sat Oct 23, 2004 11:13 am Posts: 14626 Location: LA / NYC
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 Re: The Hateful Eight
Definitely a step down from Django Unchained, which was my favorite Tarantino film, but this is still a solid film with more than enough merit to recommend. I think it's definitely way too long - the third "chapter" is by far the film's weakest link and seems to go on forever. The intermission is also pointless and I think it takes you out of the experience overall - there should have at least been an image on the screen with music playing or something. But once it really gets going in the last hour (which is pretty insane) it really delivers. Samuel L. Jackson is fantastic as are Walton Goggins, Kurt Russell and Jennifer Jason Leigh (who plays maybe one of the most loathsome characters ever). From a production standpoint the cinematography is stunning and I loved the overture and the score in general. The score is easily one of the best of the year and should become instantly iconic. I certainly enjoyed this more than Inglorious Basterds.
Two casting qualms though - first off, even though I know she's becoming a Tarantino staple and definitely has screen presence, Zoe Bell doesn't fit in with this ensemble at all. Her character feels way too modern and out of place in her brief screen time. Also, while his performance is fine I think Channing Tatum felt off as well - the fact that he's such a recognizable face took away from the effect of his reveal as the ringleader of the whole thing.
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thompsoncory
Rachel McAdams Fan
Joined: Sat Oct 23, 2004 11:13 am Posts: 14626 Location: LA / NYC
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 Re: The Hateful Eight
Rankings:
1. Django Unchained 2. Pulp Fiction 3. Kill Bill: Vol. 1 4. Kill Bill: Vol. 2 5. The Hateful Eight 6. Death Proof 7. Reservoir Dogs 8. Inglorious Basterds
I haven't seen Jackie Brown.
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Shack
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Joined: Sun Jul 31, 2005 2:30 am Posts: 40592
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Enjoyable Tarantino film with perhaps the best acting ensemble of the year. Walton Goggins performance was my favorite but I was very impressed by Kurt Russell as well, along with Samuel L. Jackson and Jennifer Jason Leigh. When shit goes down in the last 30 minutes-hour it’s best Tarantino in a while, but the first half has some duller moments.
Despite having all the running time in the world it feels like the film runs out of time for half of its Eight. While actors like Tim Roth giving a Christoph Waltz impersonation and Mark Madsen were game, their characters could have had more time to become really memorable. Bichir as the Mexican was pretty bad. O.B. as the driver if he counted as one of the Eight had no value. I had a vision of a film with eight standout threats on the level of Jackson, Russell and Goggins stuck together, but there's a big difference between them and the least important ones.
As mentioned in this thread Tarantino telling us about the poisoning ahead of time seems to be a disservice to the film's surprise factor, and the whole flashback with Tatum could have been replaced by a few lines of exposition by him, JJL and Roth after he popped his head out of the floorboard, I think.
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trixster
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The Dark Shape
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Joined: Sat Oct 23, 2004 3:56 am Posts: 12119 Location: Adrift in L.A.
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1. INGLOURIOUS BASTERDS 2. PULP FICTION 3. RESERVOIR DOGS 4. THE HATEFUL EIGHT 5. JACKIE BROWN 6. KILL BILL: THE WHOLE BLOODY AFFAIR 7. DJANGO UNCHAINED 8. DEATH PROOF
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publicenemy#1
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Joined: Tue Oct 12, 2004 12:25 am Posts: 19444 Location: San Diego
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I saw the film again and it holds up very well.
The only glaring thing is again the narration. It's cringe worthy and doesn't add anything that the audience couldn't pick up. "And this is why this chapter is called blah blah blah"? Yikes.
Tim Roth and Madsen don't really have time to shine like the rest of the cast. And I didn't really like Bichir's mumbly performance. Everyone else of the 8 is terrific, especially Goggins.
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thompsoncory
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Joined: Sat Oct 23, 2004 11:13 am Posts: 14626 Location: LA / NYC
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Goggins is sensational and I'm actually surprised he isn't in the Best Supporting Actor conversation. Then again, it is incredibly overcrowded.
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Caius
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Joined: Mon Oct 11, 2004 8:02 pm Posts: 4767
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Who told Oswaldo about the Lincoln letter? He mentioned it out of the blue and, I suppose, someone may have mentioned it while the camera was away, but it seemed that he should not have known that information and thus ask to see it.
The intermission was removed in the version I saw. It made the voice over (I assume it was right after the intermission) seem odd in explaining something "15 minutes ago" that we watched 15 seconds earlier.
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Libs
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Joined: Tue Oct 12, 2004 3:38 pm Posts: 48678 Location: Arlington, VA
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The Hateful Eight, from Ennio Morricone's menacing, foreboding score to Robert Richardson's stunning cinematography, is a technical marvel. From the story construction and overall impact, however, it is among Tarantino's weaker films. There's a lot of simmering tension and buildup, much of it done quite well, but the payoff is unexpectedly weak. The ensemble cast is very good, although half of them don't really have all that much to do when is said and done. The three best performances are given by Samuel L. Jackson, Jennifer Jason Leigh and Walton Goggins. Jackson, consummate pro that he is, delivers all of his lines in the most badass way possible. A feral, particularly hateful Leigh fashions a grotesque creature. Goggins is very, very good, and deserves to be getting more awards talk than he is. I saw this in in its regular version, so I can't speak to the 70mm version/intermission. While I certainly liked this and think it's worth seeing, I can't help but feel a tad disappointed it falls far short of some of Tarantino's past films. B
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Darth Indiana Bond
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Joined: Wed Jul 20, 2005 11:43 pm Posts: 11622 Location: Wouldn't you like to know
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After seeing this, yeah Django is really one if just worst films, where this is up there, but doesn't pop like his best work.
1. Inglourious Basterds 2. Pulp Ficton 3. Kill Bill 4. The Hateful Eight 5. Reservoir Dogs 6. Jackie Brown 7. Django Unchained 8. Death Proof
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Flava'd vs The World
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Joined: Sat Oct 23, 2004 11:36 am Posts: 25427 Location: Classified
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Was Tim Roth's performance confirmation that it was Christoph Waltz who leaked the script? Or had that already been confirmed? He sure was doing his best impression.
This felt like bingewatching a tv show. I didn't get the intermission, and was against it to being with, but now I feel like it would have helped a lot. It was really slogging along in the middle, before Sam's big speech. I looked at my phone and saw I had an hour and a half left. Had I been watching at home, that would have been the moment I paused it and done something else for awhile. Everything comes together pretty nicely after that as I was at least entertained during the final chapters. That saves it from becoming Quentin's first turd, but this is definitely the first instance where the Weinstein's "laizze faire" was a negative.
Someone needed to tell him to cut fifteen minutes and started the whodunnit mystery earlier. And even though he was key to the best scene in the film, Bruce Dern's character is unneeded. I imagine Channing Tatutm's conversation with him is similar to the one Tarantino had about his character.
There is a good stuff though. Sam's speech is the highlight and his broing up with Goggins makes the second half much more enjoyable. Jennifer Jason Leigh might be getting overpraised a little, but she sells herself as someone worth killing and someone worth saving. The movie looks gorgeous whenever its outside. The score is intense and haunting. Reminded me of the Shining more than A Fistful Of Dollars. Which is appropriate as this was more of a horror film than a western.
I love love love Django. It's one of my favorite directors doing my favorite genre. Every second of that film has purpose up until the unnecessary second climax, and that makes up for it in excitement. I wish I felt that way about The Hateful Eight, but it left me cold.
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Darth Indiana Bond
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Joined: Wed Jul 20, 2005 11:43 pm Posts: 11622 Location: Wouldn't you like to know
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Django was just too sloppy for me. This was such a nice brew
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Flava'd vs The World
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Joined: Sat Oct 23, 2004 11:36 am Posts: 25427 Location: Classified
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1. Pulp Fiction 2. Django Unchained 3. Inglorious Basterds 4. Reservior Dogs 5. Kill Bill 6. Jackie Brown 7. Death Proof 8. The Hateful Eight
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The Dark Shape
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Joined: Sat Oct 23, 2004 3:56 am Posts: 12119 Location: Adrift in L.A.
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Flava'd vs The World wrote: Was Tim Roth's performance confirmation that it was Christoph Waltz who leaked the script? Tarantino said in a Q&A after my screening that he wrote the role specifically for Roth after they bumped into each other in Europe.
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Flava'd vs The World
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Joined: Sat Oct 23, 2004 11:36 am Posts: 25427 Location: Classified
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I've been listening to the score and it really is terrific. The more I think about the movie, the more I like it. It's a good film with some rough pacing issues in the middle and near the end. I'm bumping it from B to B+.
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El Maskado
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Joined: Tue Oct 12, 2004 8:17 pm Posts: 21572
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1. Pulp Fiction 2. Kill Bill 3. Django Unchained 4. Inglorious Basterds 5. Jackie Brown 6. Reservoir Dogs
7.Hateful 8 (The Bros before Hoes justice movie)
8.Death Proof
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Magic Mike
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Joined: Mon Oct 25, 2004 4:53 am Posts: 35248 Location: Minnesota
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Went and saw it tonight. The local theater has one screen for film that they never got converted because they couldn't afford to so they had this on film. I assume it's the roadshow version as it had an intermission though the manager of the theater cut that down so screen was black for like one minute with music.
Anyway, this should have had so much trimmed from the first part of the film. It isn't until the second half that it gets really good. The beginning is pretty uninteresting and a real slog to get through. No wonder I'd only heard really bad things from people that went to see it. I thought it redeemed itself but it will be too dialogue-driven for the masses. Overall it's good but I found it to be Tarantino's weakest film. Not one I'd sit through again. Jennifer Jason Leigh was great though, as was the score.
7/10 ( B )
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MadGez
Dont Mess with the Gez
Joined: Sun Oct 24, 2004 9:54 am Posts: 23385 Location: Melbourne Australia
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Damn Im really shitty that I didnt go to watch this at my local theatre last night as planned. Found out later it was one of the sessions that QT, Kurt Russell and Samuel L Jackson crashed. Agggh.
Aiming to see it next week now.
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BJ
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BJs Grade:
B+
fun watch
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BJ
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Joined: Mon Oct 11, 2004 8:57 pm Posts: 25035 Location: Anchorage,Alaska
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1. Pulp Fiction 2. Inglorious Basterds 3. Reservoir Dogs 4. Kill Bill 5. Django Unchained 6. The Hateful Eight 7. Jackie Brown 8. Death Proof
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Darth Indiana Bond
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Joined: Wed Jul 20, 2005 11:43 pm Posts: 11622 Location: Wouldn't you like to know
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BJ wrote: 1. Pulp Fiction 2. Inglorious Basterds 3. Reservoir Dogs 4. Kill Bill 5. Django Unchained 6. The Hateful Eight 7. Jackie Brown 8. Death Proof While I disagree, that seems to be the general consensus. Good list.
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Riggs
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Walton Goggins steals the show and is the highlight of the cast. Movie could've been better though.
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MadGez
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Anyone seen it in both 70mm and Digital? If so what are the key differences - in terms of missing scenes, overall flow etc
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The Dark Shape
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There are some shot differences. Also a scene where John Ruth asks why the chicken hasn't been fully plucked, and says that a half-plucked chicken is bad luck before ordering Bob to finish. (This gets paid off later when the young woman at Minnie's is killed while plucking the chicken.)
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Dr. Lecter
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Joined: Sat Oct 16, 2004 4:28 pm Posts: 92093 Location: Bonn, Germany
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The Dark Shape wrote: There are some shot differences. Also a scene where John Ruth asks why the chicken hasn't been fully plucked, and says that a half-plucked chicken is bad luck before ordering Bob to finish. (This gets paid off later when the young woman at Minnie's is killed while plucking the chicken.) I just saw the regular version and the chicken scene was the only distinct difference I could remember.
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