8.0/10

Watched trailers and thought everything was in. What vital things weren't?

As for lightsaber duels getting the praise. I'm pissed that some stormtrooper from sanitation squad was okay wielding the lightsaber against the person who used it as a main weapon since childhood. I don't care Kylo Ren if was injured and Finn might have some kind of melee training. Lightsabers are supposed to be unique weapons that require training. Same goes for Rey. Dispatching trained dark jedi like it was nothing once she "let it in". It cheapened uniqueness of the weapon and power of force users. Everything requires training. And failure of Kylo Ren felt unnecessary. He was supposed to be quite good and skillful, but had his ass completely wiped by some amateur. Imagine what she could do after several days of Luke's training. First Order is toast.

Finn was pretty useless with the lightsaber though.

And Kylo Ren's loss to Rey in the battle may be the catalyst to really turn him bad ass in Ep 8 - especially when Snoke completes his training as he peomises.

It's definitely easier to appreciate the second time around when you expect the plot to follow A New Hope. You can more easily see what is different that time around. It's definitely not a remake as some of the more enthusiastically negative posters have said, but it is very, very much a retread, if an enjoyable one.

I'd be surprised if Kylo didn't end Luke in the next one. Call it Dumbledore syndrome, our heroes can't have that deus ex machina just waiting around in episode 9.

I detest the fact that he even used it(and earlier with stormtrooper). But I understand he wasn't a match for Kylo. He still managed to wound him, though.


I'm not sure what this training supposed to be, but I doubt Snoke will show Kylo some new super moves since Kylo was trained for at least 20 years already. Probably related to Dark Side. Maybe he'll be able to cast lightning or two next time.


The only way I see it if Rey becomes cocky or too emotional since Kylo is probably related in some way. There really is no contest if Rey was so capable with lightsaber without proper training. Of course, I'm not counting on any logic besides "duel must be interesting".

Also, Rey knowing how to mind trick is also interesting. I just hope the explanation going that her mind was wiped is somewhat true. At least that'll in part explain all her awesomeness with force and lightsaber.

Of course, there is also an explanation that Kylo just sucks ass, which makes you wonder how he managed to scare Luke away.


I'm also will be surprised if Luke won't go the way of Obi-Wan and become ghost. Maybe not in 8th, though.

The Dead Lands

Kylo Ren's not going to stay a bad guy, y'all. There's a reason there are six other Knights of Ren.

She obviously has melee experience with her staff, but handling a lightsaber, I suppose, should be a bit different. Especially against experienced fighter.


Luke had 3 years and barely was able to lift a lightsaber from the snow.

Luke ain't dying until at least Episode 9. I predict he'll kill Snoke along with any other Knights of Ren/Sith warriors and them succumb to his injuries, while Rey has a final battle with Ben. In some ways a mirror of Episode 3, but with the good guys universally going over.

Luke being a badass would be awesome.

Just got back from my 4th viewing.

That's totally a gravestone at the end.

After watching this twice over the last 2 weeks I am finally ready to give it my honest review. My first watch through left me with a "Luke" warm impression. And now after a second watch through I'm still feeling "meh" as it's no better or worse than the prequels.

I loved the opening sequence showing us a truly bad ass villain in Ren who was not only ruthless in his slaughter of innocents but possessed force powers far beyond what we had witnessed or been made aware of from the previous movie cannons. We are also introduced to a great new unbelievable lovable droid in BB-8 who can now officially put C3P0 and R2-D2 in retirement for good going forward.

Visually I also loved the look of the film as it was much closer in style to the original trilogy than the prequels. Costumes and set locations pop and the CGI is not to overly used. Although I wish the encounter on the space barge with Solo and the repo gangs had at least one gang be some weird looking aliens.

As for the story I'm sorry as a true fan of the series I don't need lip service, over the top cameo's, or a re-imagining of a "New Hope". I know Abrams and company have to build out a trilogy and other 1 off Star Wars films over the next decade but unfortunately there are to many "WTF" moments for me to just ignore and just let slide.

1. Ren is turned into a bitch 15 minutes after being such a beast of a villain. We end up with a silly temper tantrum kid who falls out uncontrollably for no reason other than for comedic relief. Then to add insult to injury after tossing everyone around like rag-dolls for most of the film our end set piece has a 100 lbs nowhere near his training heroine essentially kill him with the only reason he is saved is because of a rift that opens up.

2. I'm sorry did the Rebellion forces not restore any order of end the war at the end of "Return of the Jedi"? So we are to take a face value that the "First Order" a faction off the original Empire rose up and built this powerful army of trained from birth Storm troopers( not clones who were breed from test tubes to fully grown in 10 yearsfrom a genetically perfect soldier) and was able to create a "Starkiller" base 100 times bigger than the Death Star within 30 years....

So for all the Jar Jar Binks sucks, to Hayden Christians acting was atrocious, or the bad scripts from the previous movies I think once people get over the euphoria of the start of the new trilogy some of this high praise is going to be reversed to what were we thinking.

If I were to rank the movies

1. Empire Strikes Back
2. Star Wars
3. Revenge of the Sith
4. Return of the Jedi
5. The Phantom Menace
6. The Force Awakens
7. Attack of the Clones

I fear the praise won't be reversed. The movie is too well made to be any worse from repeat viewings or post-assessment. And GA won't care about it being a remake. It might not become iconic or quotable, but I don't see it being reduced to "meh". Sequels will determine how it all goes.

Quite frankly, the most idiotic point in this was the destruction of Starkiller. It's as if this planet station was there as a homage and its destruction was more of a parody. There was never any pressure of destroying it, how hard it should be, planning was shit. It was tacked on. "It's just bigger". You can say similar stuff about EpIV, but Death Star was the main plot point of the movie. The last minutes was exclusively dedicated to that battle. In this one it was "whatever". Despite it being a far larger, far menacing and more technologically advanced. And "chain reaction" scenario should have been banned. It's a fucking planet. Actually, it wasn't really thought out. It sucks a fucking star(a planet sucks all matter of the sun?) and destroys lots of planets. So it destroys 2 systems on once. Way too over the top.

Finally some normal people talking here. I still can't believe all the praise TFA is getting. It's a thinly plotted (even moreso than the usual SW movie), non-inventive (not a single thing in it is an original thought or idea, everything is just a rehash of previous movies) and it also relies on way to many coincidental moments. It's not even a good Hollywood popcorn blockbuster. Such a disappointment.

It really won't be that difficult. Han died trying to bring him back. If anything, Kylo turning back makes Han's death mean something. Without that character shift (and the script makes it clear that killing his father hurts Kylo more than anything), Han's death is just a murder.

Oops, wrong thread.

The OT was all coincidence. Peoples arguments are so thin. And to say this is worse than 1 or 2 is just baffling.

Basically it was one coincidence that rolled the story in each movie in at least somewhat credible logical chain of events. In TFA everything is way too much coincidental even for SW standards. At least the prequels came with somewhat intriguing political plot. TFA offers just one rehash after the other. And I don't get how people are not hating Maz like Jar Jar. She's basically Disney's version of Jar Jar.

The political nonsense in the prequels was awful awful sprinkled with horrid racism by the Neimoidians.
And I did forget the scene in this one where Maz literally stepped in shit like Jar Jar.

Lol whut. Maz is not annoying at all.

That was literally the first I've seen someone Complain about her.

The prequels was full off awful acting and stupid characters & jokes.
TFA had none of that.

People like to be contrarian for the sake if it. There is no way any of the prequels are better than TFA.

Sure there is. The prequels are deeply flawed and stiffly acted and written, but they are also more ambitious and imaginative than this rote marathon of fan service.

If we are going to play to play the rude, dismissive "there is no way..." card, there is no way people in their right mind believe The Force Awakens is INSPIRED or PERFECT. They are just hype zombies.

There are two great Star Wars films. The last one was made 36 years ago.