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Post The Hunger Games: Mockingjay Part 2 (International)
Worldwide roll out begins 11/18/15


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MJ2 - 46,685 admissions
MJ1 - 88,152 (total: 854,377)
CF - 74,320 (total: 1,127,329 )
HG - 39,051(total: 608,222 )




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The worst opening at Paris for The Hunger Games serie and largely.

Paris 2 pm :

HG1 : 2 485 admissions
HG2 : 3 312
HG3 : 2 801
HG4 : 1 596 only !

With the attacks at Paris, difficult to conclude a strong decrease on the France.
But this is a bad sign.



France number doesn't mean much though due to the tragic events going on


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Honestly, it's probably going to miss $500 million or even $450 million.

Mockingjay Part 1 couldn't match Catching Fire (hardly anywhere), and with the current exchange rates, Mockingjay Part 2 will probably struggle to beat Catching Fire, too, despite being the finale.

I don't know if the franchise simply peaked too early on, or if something else happened along the way, but interest just kind of dwindled.

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mockingjay pt.2 gets crushed between bond and star wars. i'm sure we will see the lowest US gross too for this series.


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Honestly, it's probably going to miss $500 million or even $450 million.

Mockingjay Part 1 couldn't match Catching Fire (hardly anywhere), and with the current exchange rates, Mockingjay Part 2 will probably struggle to beat Catching Fire, too, despite being the finale.

I don't know if the franchise simply peaked too early on, or if something else happened along the way, but interest just kind of dwindled.


Remember, though, it does have 3D overseas.

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Corpse wrote:
Honestly, it's probably going to miss $500 million or even $450 million.

Mockingjay Part 1 couldn't match Catching Fire (hardly anywhere), and with the current exchange rates, Mockingjay Part 2 will probably struggle to beat Catching Fire, too, despite being the finale.

I don't know if the franchise simply peaked too early on, or if something else happened along the way, but interest just kind of dwindled.




whoa, that seems kind of extreme. Are there any other international numbers out that is showing this trend?


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Surprisingly it MJ2 doesn't have 3D or IMAX release here in Singapore so most likely Malaysia will also not have that. I wonder if that is the case everywhere. Just saw the movie and it was surprising that the theater over opening night was only 20% full for the opening preview show.

I agree with Corpse here, this does not feel like it would see a big increase over the finale (which is a shame actually). Maybe it will catch CF in OS total but I am not feeling it right now.


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Those are bleak international numbers. I may have to lower my domestic projection once more. This hasn't had the feel of an event film (to the degree of CF, etc.) but I was giving the finale the benefit of the doubt up to this point.

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whoa, that seems kind of extreme. Are there any other international numbers out that is showing this trend?


I wouldn't call it extreme. Mockingjay - Part 1 didn't seen any increase over Catching Fire in most markets. And so far, none of the early opening day numbers look that encouraging for Mockingjay - Part 2.

I didn't know that Mockingjay - Part 2 is being released in 3D overseas, but it doesn't seem to be in every market. It doesn't have 3D in Japan, or in Singapore according to Sparrow. Regardless, it'll be tough for the potential 3D boost to counter the unfavorable exchange rates this year.

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Looking weak in China too, with opening day tracking at $5m range. Not that the franchise had done much there before, but at least this time is a same day release, so definitely disappointing.


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looks to start well in Europe


Early overseas figures for Lionsgate’s The Hunger Games: Mockingjay-Part 2 are rolling in and Germany is exploding, +42% from Mockingjay: Part 1 for a $1.5M off 621 screens, making it the top preview in the country for a Lionsgate title playing in the territory. Note that the distributor sells off foreign and that StudioCanal is handling in Germany.

In the wake of last Friday’s terrorist attacks in France, the citizens of Paris are vying to recover and head back to the cinema. While Mockingjay topped the city’s B.O. charts, selling 26K tickets on Wednesday. In total including Tuesday previews, France counts 205K admissions, -20% from Mockingjay-Part 1‘s ticket sales over the same two day frame a year ago.

All percent hikes for Mockingjay-Part 2 are versus Part 2. Other key territories reporting are Brazil with $1.18M, +6% at 1,245 screens. Netherlands generated $531K for a 9% uptick. Belgium saw a 3% boost taking in close to $300K at 131 sites. Early indications from key exhibitors in the UK are that advance sales are up.

In total, the global debut for Mockingjay-Part 2 is currently expected to rake in $280M-$305M –which will be higher than Mockingjay-Part 1’s worldwide opening of $276.2M– with foreign delivering $165M-$185M from 33K screens and 87 markets. In regards to screens and markets, that’s the widest for a title in the series abroad and for a Lionsgate release. Plus, unlike the first Mockingjay, this one has China and Japan in the opening weekend mix.

Revised U.S./Canada opening for Mockingjay-Part 2 now show a FSS $115M-$120M; a huge sum for Lionsgate, however, if those figures stay on track, it will be the lowest opening for the franchise after Mockingjay-Part 1‘s $121.9M. The second film, Catching Fire, owns the opening record at $158.1M. Thursday stateside previews kick off tonight at 7PM. Ticket sales will also get a nudge from Imax and PLF. Fandango reported yesterday that advance ticket sales for the second part of the last Suzanne Collins’ novel are in sync with the first part’s at the same point in their sales cycle. From the Fandango poll, 74% indicated that they would see the final chapter with a group of friends.


http://deadline.com/2015/11/hunger-game ... 201630463/


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The problem is right there. It has China and Japan and is still expected to barely outdo Part 1 in OS markets specially if it comes in the lower range of those projections $280m-$285m it would have actually seen a decrease. I know the series is not that big in China or Japan but we have to remember that this time its getting the 3D and IMAX treatment in some of those markets. It should see a good uptick like $350m which is not going to happen and after seeing the movie (its good but inline with Part 1) I don't believe it will have much better legs than MJ1.


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1924 wrote:
looks to start well in Europe


Early overseas figures for Lionsgate’s The Hunger Games: Mockingjay-Part 2 are rolling in and Germany is exploding, +42% from Mockingjay: Part 1 for a $1.5M off 621 screens, making it the top preview in the country for a Lionsgate title playing in the territory. Note that the distributor sells off foreign and that StudioCanal is handling in Germany.

In the wake of last Friday’s terrorist attacks in France, the citizens of Paris are vying to recover and head back to the cinema. While Mockingjay topped the city’s B.O. charts, selling 26K tickets on Wednesday. In total including Tuesday previews, France counts 205K admissions, -20% from Mockingjay-Part 1‘s ticket sales over the same two day frame a year ago.

All percent hikes for Mockingjay-Part 2 are versus Part 2. Other key territories reporting are Brazil with $1.18M, +6% at 1,245 screens. Netherlands generated $531K for a 9% uptick. Belgium saw a 3% boost taking in close to $300K at 131 sites. Early indications from key exhibitors in the UK are that advance sales are up.

In total, the global debut for Mockingjay-Part 2 is currently expected to rake in $280M-$305M –which will be higher than Mockingjay-Part 1’s worldwide opening of $276.2M– with foreign delivering $165M-$185M from 33K screens and 87 markets. In regards to screens and markets, that’s the widest for a title in the series abroad and for a Lionsgate release. Plus, unlike the first Mockingjay, this one has China and Japan in the opening weekend mix.

Revised U.S./Canada opening for Mockingjay-Part 2 now show a FSS $115M-$120M; a huge sum for Lionsgate, however, if those figures stay on track, it will be the lowest opening for the franchise after Mockingjay-Part 1‘s $121.9M. The second film, Catching Fire, owns the opening record at $158.1M. Thursday stateside previews kick off tonight at 7PM. Ticket sales will also get a nudge from Imax and PLF. Fandango reported yesterday that advance ticket sales for the second part of the last Suzanne Collins’ novel are in sync with the first part’s at the same point in their sales cycle. From the Fandango poll, 74% indicated that they would see the final chapter with a group of friends.


http://deadline.com/2015/11/hunger-game ... 201630463/


The increase in Germany is most likely attributed to 3D.

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UK OD
MJ2 2.75M
MJ1 3.6M including previews


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in Russia, Mockingjay Part 2 started 5% below part 1 in gross and 19% in admissions



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apparently the China gross won't be much higher than MJ1!


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Lionsgate is reporting a $61M overseas cume through Friday on The Hunger Games: Mockingjay – Part 2 in 87 offshore markets. While we don’t yet have a full territory-by-territory breakdown, the final installment in the YA franchise is currently playing No. 1 in 82.

The projected three-day worldwide cume is $251M. Of that, Lionsgate is eyeing a $149M offshore haul — better than Catching Fire‘s $146M, but down from Mockingjay – Part 1‘s $154.3M opening last year. The projected figure is also below the low end of industry projections which were $165M-$185M going into the weekend.


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The article also notes how much stronger the dollar is this year against other currencies than last year, which is the deciding factor here.

So, $275-290 million / $400-425 million, for $675-715 million?

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The Martian could actually make more worldwide...

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With The Martian opening on Tuesday, MJ2 will probably make less than $30m in China.


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Box Office: Final 'Hunger Games' Opens to Series-Low $101M in U.S.; Earns $247M Globally http://thr.cm/XCOfJR


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Worldwide opening is less than MJ1 despite China opening and the addition of 3D!


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Its OS numbers are beyond disappointing as well. $156m for MJ1 with lesser markets vs $146m with some markets getting IMAX and 3D release. There is no longer a doubt that MJ1 killed the momentum and tarnished the franchise name among casual audience.


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Its OS numbers are beyond disappointing as well. $156m for MJ1 with lesser markets vs $146m with some markets getting IMAX and 3D release. There is no longer a doubt that MJ1 killed the momentum and tarnished the franchise name among casual audience.

Obviously Catching Fire wasn't liked all that much either, or else Part 1 would have opened higher and held worse.


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MJ1 did open higher than CF, from what I remember it was about 4% higher OW wise from CF.
http://www.boxofficemojo.com/news/?id=3965&p=.htm (Refer here for more details)
The problem was clearly its legs and not opening.

But even after CF the series could have held close to MJ1's lower numbers but it looks like this one will do close to the original's $286m. Even with MJ1's multiplier, MJ2 would do $400m OS and the former still had China and Japan to open. I think this will end with $370m OS but if SW really kills it then it might not reach even $350m OS which would be big drop and it would do less than THG's WW total.


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Words like "horrible" should never be used on connection to a $500+ million worldwide gross. You can say disappointing (it is), but not horrible.

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I meant horrible drop but yeah decided to edit it as big drop.


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