(edit: changed by me, no need for me to be sacrastic)

I'm not over it, I might not be able to get over it, for whatever reasons are external or mine, and that's my choice. I gave my out. I don't expect anybody to leave but maybe me. I am expressing what is frustrating to me about this situation.


I addressed this in my post. Dolcevita has done everything to lyrically express that she is sorry for what happened in this instance. But I'm not buying the earnesty. I'm just being honest. Do you want me to lie? She doesn't really have to say anything.

To me that's very non-specific and raises a few potential flags.


Addressed in my response to Archie before this post.


Quite frankly, there are many here who feel that the perpetrators of this mess have no right at this moment to stand up and defend themselves and their legacy. You are only doing more to highlight and to justify this action... like every 6 months you can save up to do something really bad. You should take it personally, because this (partially) reflects your character, but it was bad form (in my opinion) to pick this moment to stand up and defend yourself. Maybe if this was still a huge issue in 2 or 3 weeks. But two days after, when the wounds are still fresh?

Again, bad form.

And again, the reason why I'm "picking" on you specifically is that you are very vocal about it. I (personally) have not mentioned your name to anybody else except bABA in private before this point.


This is not really a conflict of opinion. This, in many ways, to a few of us, feels like emotional manipulation, deception and something that's far more than opinion. Do you understand this?

I think you understand it on a moderator level. I think you understand that it was bad form, because it creates trouble. But I'm not quite sure you appreciate at all that some of us feel like we were trampled upon and then our thoughts and feelings on the matter were tossed away by people trying to justify why something like this was inappropriate.


I completely agree. But I think you should re-evaluate at the moment whether or not this is a good time to express that emotion. I say, "go with the feeling" and be honest, but that will get you in trouble and get you into arguments like this.

Anyway, I've said probably everything I need to say on this issue. I don't hate any of you, just confused. I may or may not be being overly dramatic about it, but it hit me pretty hard and I'm going with the moment and trying to express myself, although I know it's not coming out clearly.

The thing that bothers me addrock, is just like we were misguided and let things go badly in regards to the april fools joke ... so have many members done in dealing with it.

It is not that they don't have a right to be upset, because they do. It is not that they don't have the right to leave the forums if they so choose, because they do. It is how ignorant some of them come off in saying things. Ignorant to how hard some of the mods work, ignorant to how much time they have spent molding this place into somewhere those same posters could come, and most of all - ignorant to the character and feelings of the people involved.

Some of these mods have worked so damn hard, and given so much time to this place, that I feel awful that I put them in a position with this April Fools joke to become open to this much criticsm. If anyone deserves it, it is me. I was the one who picked the joke, I was the one who decided on the topic and game plan. I explained how we had to start early ... they went along with it, and the rest is now history.

We can't go back and change it, we have offered our apology. You don't have to take it, that is totally your choice. You don't have to believe in its sincerity, that is your choice. Me, I don't care. I wish the joke had never happened, but I apoligized for it, I have moved on, I can do nothing more. Others don't share that sentiment. There are some mods and a former mod who are really beating themselves up over this.

It bothers me to see them like this. There is NO reason someone should beat themselves up over this joke. It happened, we are all still alive, living, breathing, healthy, and mentaly sound. No long term reprocussions are going to happen to anyone, and no life changing decisions were made.

Dolce I am talking to you now ... forget Addrock and everyone else. All the moderators and anyone who knows you at all, knows your sincerity, and I will continue to feel awful until you are able to forget about this. All we can do dolce is offer our apologies and move on. If members choose to accept it, thats their choice. If they choose to leave, also their choice. DON'T beat yourself up over it Dolce .... you have done all you can.

Good, one very important positive about the mods here, and they do actually listen to members.



I think you and I will just have to agree we do not see eye to eye on this.



She might, but the weddign is alot more tongue and cheek from description then the wedding sounds, and hey there is always next year for weddings.



I think the fact the everyone respects the work that came before might be why some of them feel the need to leave, if that makes sense.\



Honestly I think we'll find in a week or two, thaton surface not much has changed around here.



Agreed



I don;t like St. Patrick's Day either, but we have city here in RI where every eyar people drink so much that the beer runs out at 5pm, no matter how muchyou more you order then last year....



That I can at least understand, so I appreciate that level of clarification.



Agreed, I actually respect the apologizes jsut as much as I respect loyal who refuses to apologize.

Honestly for me, I;ve relly said all I need to say on the subject. I plan to devote my time here to talking about other things, but I apperciate your responses.

Most of what he said Dolce. Its true. Don't beat yourself over it. You did what you could. : )

While yes, what Eagle says is true, the point addrock is making is equally valid.

**l typed out a long, thoughtful response to back that up with, but really l just don't care anymore. Wasn't much more than what andaroo's said in his last 3 or 4 posts, anyway. So reread those.

There is nothing wrong with what Addarock said. What he feels is true for him.

The fact remains that this is going to be different for everyone. Some will feel hurt, while others could care less. However even if 366 members couldn't have gave a rats ass, if that last member felt hurt because of something I did, then I need to step back - take a look at what happened - and figure out why.

Obviously I didn't see this coming before hand, hell I really april fooled my damn self with this mess. Once you hurt just that single poster, it is a rather big wakeup call. For me the joke stoped being funny when I found out how upset it made Ripper, before that I thought things were going dandy. It wasn't until then that I took a step back, looked around at what I had done wrong, and tried to fix it. Unfourtunatly it was beyond anyons control to manipulate at that point. Me and Dolce and everyone else have said our peace, and while Addarock has many valid points, all we can do is understand where he is coming from, accept his position, and hope he can understand it from our point of view and why it happened.

Sorry to bump it up.


I'm ok now. Eight days off was good. I have more spare time now, so I'll move over to concentrating on box office matters rather than other 'stuff'. I wish to have contact with others in that way. The way I figure, if a group of people spends that much of their time on playing a joke on the forum members, that is a clear sign that we are (well, I am) getting uncomfortably close. Early apologies if I seem impersonal from here on (or if I ignore you altogether), I just want to concentrate on the box office. Here and at BOM, of course (I had promised some users there that I would continue my coverage in December, but had a heavy load of work until now prevented me from doing so; I want to make good on the promise).


Cheers rink:

p.s., to the one who sent me the PM: an apology was absolutely not necessary from you, but thank you for it, it was well-taken.

And Tony, you were right, were would we all be without my signature confirming your comedic talents??? It's unthinkable that anyone should abandon that [-X =;